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(Nov 17, 2017, 06:33 PM)Vimpto Wrote: [ -> ]

(Nov 17, 2017, 06:31 PM)Constrictor Wrote: [ -> ]

(Nov 17, 2017, 06:10 PM)Vimpto Wrote: [ -> ]

What the actual hell

It might have just failed to pass staff review, but Internet forgot to post that it failed due to lack of staff support.

due to lack of community support

'but Internet forgot to post that it failed due to lack of staff support.'
I'm not Internet, but that's my guess.

A suggestion doesnt go in and out of staff review in 2 days though

(Nov 17, 2017, 06:35 PM)Vimpto Wrote: [ -> ]A suggestion doesnt go in and out of staff review in 2 days though

From what I’ve heard, it usually take 2-4 days depending on majority.

We’ve got a pretty quick turnaround as of recent due to some systems Doc has implemented- generally is a few days unless is an idea that requires deport discussion

I checked on my suggestion every half an hour (except over nights) and it never moved to staff review either

(Nov 17, 2017, 06:48 PM)Vimpto Wrote: [ -> ]I checked on my suggestion every half an hour (except over nights) and it never moved to staff review either

May be an issue with the system due to you having multiple options instead of just -Support and +Support? It couldn't recognize which was which

I think it was clear enough that the options where different cars and one was to keep the mclaren

The issue is, the tools are not yet perfect. When there's upwards of 30 vehicle suggestions that need moving, I don't have time to go and review them all. The tool stated there was a lack of support, so it got denied. I'll be working to improve this so it doesn't happen again, but we've got a lot on our priority list at the moment, I'm afraid.

I'm more than happy to rectify any issues, but passive-aggressive posts on the staff Q/A doesn't help. Contacting me (Steam, Forum PM, Discord) does.

Q: Are Steam Messages considered related to LL Services when you are talking about LL Services?

Reference:
<https://limelightgaming.net/forums/thread-18303.html>

Quote:You are talking about LL services using steam. It counts. It doesn't matter the medium when you discuss the server and its staff it can relate.

I personally disagree with this statement as in the past it was well-known that these means of communication were in no way related to the server and therefore any private conversations held using them were not able to be used to restrict access to the services. In the current terms of service - there is nothing mentioned about this. 

The following quote from a staff member, made a bold statement that no matter the medium - when you discuss the server and its staff it can relate. I think this is a dangerous statement to make and while it may relate - there is nothing to say that this means it can be used to restrict someone from their access to the LL services.

If I talk sh*t about a staff member in a private conversation on Steam to another LL member, who then goes and shares the screenshot with a staff member - am I facing the possibility of being punished for administrative disrespect or even threatening a staff member even though it was a private conversation between two members? Why is this any different when the person is directly talking to a staff member? Are they being disrespectful? Remove them. Block them. But by all means, don't go and take it upon yourselves to completely take away their access to services that they have spent money on, dedicated time on, etcetera.

You shouldn't be making up this idea that something beyond the LL services, being in-game, teamspeak or discord, is somehow still within the realm of limelight's reach. While we may dislike Zharkan, and certainly their attitude towards staff members... what did they do beyond sending some nasty (but harmless) steam messages? And yes, they are harmless. The staff member whom made the statement first quoted in this post mentioned he felt threatened for himself, his wife and three kids? From a steam message? This person didn't dox you, collect your IP information, post photos of your children, nor does he know your real name. And yet you feel threatened? Come on. That's a stretch. 

Not only are steam messages unrelated to the services and therefore the terms of services - they are extremely unreliable and hence why they weren't acceptable in the past. They are easily tampered with and there is no such thing as Steam Chatlogs and there isn't a unique identification method that can confirm the identity of a user from a screenshot/chat and thus I can easily photoshop a conversation on Steam, such as another member threatening to take down the server and release this screenshot to a staff member. What would happen? 

I'm not supporting Zharkan - but I'm certainly not supporting issuing punishments based on private conversations on Steam and while this person may have displayed a previous anti-staff tone in-game as well the punishment was being based off these private conversations which, as mentioned, aren't related to LL.

What do you think? Are LL users liable now beyond the services? Should we be wary of what we say outside of the server and to whom we say it to?

(Nov 21, 2017, 03:06 AM)Nevy Wrote: [ -> ]Q: Are Steam Messages considered related to LL Services when you are talking about LL Services?

Reference:
<https://limelightgaming.net/forums/thread-18303.html>

Quote:You are talking about LL services using steam. It counts. It doesn't matter the medium when you discuss the server and its staff it can relate.

I personally disagree with this statement as in the past it was well-known that these means of communication were in no way related to the server and therefore any private conversations held using them were not able to be used to restrict access to the services. In the current terms of service - there is nothing mentioned about this. 

The following quote from a staff member, made a bold statement that no matter the medium - when you discuss the server and its staff it can relate. I think this is a dangerous statement to make and while it may relate - there is nothing to say that this means it can be used to restrict someone from their access to the LL services.

If I talk sh*t about a staff member in a private conversation on Steam to another LL member, who then goes and shares the screenshot with a staff member - am I facing the possibility of being punished for administrative disrespect or even threatening a staff member even though it was a private conversation between two members? Why is this any different when the person is directly talking to a staff member? Are they being disrespectful? Remove them. Block them. But by all means, don't go and take it upon yourselves to completely take away their access to services that they have spent money on, dedicated time on, etcetera.

You shouldn't be making up this idea that something beyond the LL services, being in-game, teamspeak or discord, is somehow still within the realm of limelight's reach. While we may dislike Zharkan, and certainly their attitude towards staff members... what did they do beyond sending some nasty (but harmless) steam messages? And yes, they are harmless. The staff member whom made the statement first quoted in this post mentioned he felt threatened for himself, his wife and three kids? From a steam message? This person didn't dox you, collect your IP information, post photos of your children, nor does he know your real name. And yet you feel threatened? Come on. That's a stretch. 

Not only are steam messages unrelated to the services and therefore the terms of services - they are extremely unreliable and hence why they weren't acceptable in the past. They are easily tampered with and there is no such thing as Steam Chatlogs and there isn't a unique identification method that can confirm the identity of a user from a screenshot/chat and thus I can easily photoshop a conversation on Steam, such as another member threatening to take down the server and release this screenshot to a staff member. What would happen? 

I'm not supporting Zharkan - but I'm certainly not supporting issuing punishments based on private conversations on Steam and while this person may have displayed a previous anti-staff tone in-game as well the punishment was being based off these private conversations which, as mentioned, aren't related to LL.

What do you think? Are LL users liable now beyond the services? Should we be wary of what we say outside of the server and to whom we say it to?

Sounds fairly similar to what happens in American schools. Any communication outside of school that relates to the school by a hair is punishable in school. For example, you meme someone on social media that's a student at the school. It's all just a jest, but the school suspends you for bullying (not gonna talk about American 'bullying' right now tho). 

Schools feel the need to punish you for an action that doesn't relate to the school in any meaningful way. Seems the same for LL now. Steam conversations that relate to LL in any way at all are now covered by LL rules.

Limelight has the right to terminate your account at any point for pretty much anything.

Think of us like a shop or restaurant. We provide a service for you, if you are screaming profanity outside of our restaurant, you are not welcome in. If you are screaming profanity in our restaurant we will ask you to leave. If we hear you screaming profanity at someone else's restaurant, we might not want to let you come into our restaurant.

It might be wise to specify in our ToS that we have the right to terminate your account at any point, but frankly it's implied.

THERE IT IS, I was looking all over for that - thought I had that clause added somewhere.