[Soviethooves]

@"Gungranny" It's not just about @ Calls.
It's about things like the lamps and lights given to people in a bias fashion.

Can you prove this is bias? As I actually haven't seen those handed out in a while.

9/10 times when I have an interesting RP that includes everyone and I ask for some lamps or lights I get ignored or just a "No" from a staff member.

Again, any evidence that it's bias or for stability sake?

But I'm not gonna name drop here but I saw a nightclub which was a place in the map that already had lights (all of the staff in the nightclub rp were in the same clan as the admin) and the admin placed lamps and lights in the building for them.

There wasn't any lights or special effects. Those were materialized props by the players and the staff involved in the RP.

If I were to do that I'd never get given lamps or lights by them.

[The Captain]

As someone who i'd say is on decent terms with a few staff, I can honestly say there is a clear bias between admins and their mates. Not naming names, but it's as clear as day. I'm sure people know who we're talking about, but there's a select group of people who quite easily get custom player models, props/custom materials added to their cars ect. These RP's are usually underwhelming for the most part, and just plain mingey at the worst of times. Not only are they poor examples of RP, they also stop staff, teachers and high experience roleplayers away from the new players, as they're almost always in a group or gang with eachother. I don't think there's anyway to solve this issue though, as it is just human nature for staff to be more lenient with their friends, but also more likely to RP with them.

[Quest]

--Snip--
Edit: Maybe I am the stupid one here?

[richie]

As someone who i'd say is on decent terms with a few staff, I can honestly say there is a clear bias between admins and their mates. Not naming names, but it's as clear as day. I'm sure people know who we're talking about, but there's a select group of people who quite easily get custom player models, props/custom materials added to their cars ect. These RP's are usually underwhelming for the most part, and just plain mingey at the worst of times. Not only are they poor examples of RP, they also stop staff, teachers and high experience roleplayers away from the new players, as they're almost always in a group or gang with eachother. I don't think there's anyway to solve this issue though, as it is just human nature for staff to be more lenient with their friends, but also more likely to RP with them.

It's good to know that i'm not the only one who has noticed this. And as you mentioned the RP looks shit.

[richie]

@BlackDog Would we be able to get your PoV on this situation of you being in favor of your clan members?

[Kvatch]

@"Gungranny" It's not just about @ Calls.
It's about things like the lamps and lights given to people in a bias fashion.
9/10 times when I have an interesting RP that includes everyone and I ask for some lamps or lights I get ignored or just a "No" from a staff member.

I agree on this

[Woody Mac]

If it's a report of another player breaking the rules, the members of staff investigating may be looking into logs and staff tools and potentially even talking to the player you've reported. The whole situation may be concluded already before you are aware of it (and you may not be contacted at all). The members of staff may spectate the situation and find that no rule violations are taking place. Sometimes the staff members are busy roleplaying or doing something else. If it's a call you make to request assistance for yourself, don't expect a staff member to drop everything they are doing to come set your model ASAP (or similar).

I do believe that the admin response that saids that staff are dealing with your @ call should be used alot more I only see moderators using mainly and this would fix issues like the spamming of @ calls and people getting pissed because they think that no one is sorting the call out.

[Welker]

Bias behavior has been damaging Limelight's community for quite some time now and it is by no means an easy fix but white washing it does nothing to aid it. Player reports and clan decisions are in particular deeply rooted with bias decision making by administrative personal. Player reports by/of clan members being snatched by the clan leaders, administrators going out of their way to get certain player reports seemingly because they do not like the person reported or being reported.

Rules being made up, actions being compared with real life examples even when the actions are conflicting with rules are all strong examples of this. There seems to be an extreme lack of transparency when it comes to this sort of thing and I can see why people would think nothing is being done about it, I subscribe to this notion usually, especially when it frequently happens in even recent times. You know who I am talking about. 

Administrators going to extremes to defend their friends in player reports via hidden posts is another great example of this. Something to consider.

[Cole]

@"IVNT", that nightclub RP wouldn't be the one that ForceGhost, Nemesis and I were doing was it?

[Soviethooves]

@"IVNT", that nightclub RP wouldn't be the one that ForceGhost, Nemesis and I were doing was it?

It was. The one where you guys showed me your weed growing.

[Doctor Internet]

Not naming names, but it's as clear as day. I'm sure people know who we're talking about, but there's a select group of people who quite easily get custom player models, props/custom materials added to their cars ect.

For custom models, there's been three major occurrences that I've set them:
OPUS's clan shit,
RP shit that I run.
Cops going undercover.

We don't tend to be asked for them in other circumstances.

I've only added props to someone's car once, which was your own car, which was for a well-defined RP.

Materials, I tend to be more lenient with, and as such will set a tinted window on my own vehicle most times I get it out. However, this is a minor cosmetic change, and as such, doesn't really matter. Again, we're not asked to do it.

[richie]

Bias behavior has been damaging Limelight's community for quite some time now and it is by no means an easy fix but white washing it does nothing to aid it. Player reports and clan decisions are in particular deeply rooted with bias decision making by administrative personal. Player reports by/of clan members being snatched by the clan leaders, administrators going out of their way to get certain player reports seemingly because they do not like the person reported or being reported.

Rules being made up, actions being compared with real life examples even when the actions are conflicting with rules are all strong examples of this. There seems to be an extreme lack of transparency when it comes to this sort of thing and I can see why people would think nothing is being done about it, I subscribe to this notion usually, especially when it frequently happens in even recent times. You know who I am talking about. 

Administrators going to extremes to defend their friends in player reports via hidden posts is another great example of this. Something to consider.

Yeah, i've posted things before where no hidden posts are made. If I was to post a PR on a FUMUKU member, the hidden posts would rise and no doubt the PR would be dealt with by Blackdog so his clan members get minimum punishments. @Enzyme Can we see something done about clan member bias with staff? Something needs to be.

[give me the gamemode]

@Overlewd 
If a staff member is looking through but hasn't actually tped to the player yet why don't they use the "A staff member is responding to you" command.

Depends. It is a <<relatively>> new command so sometimes just forget. Sometimes it is best to observe without using it as if you do then the player might go "The admin is watching now" or something which often defeats the purpose and potentially needlessly disrupts the RP when no rule violations would have been found.

well then have a "Your @ Request has been concluded" so that players know when its been dealt with or if the admines have missed it

[Soviethooves]

Bias behavior has been damaging Limelight's community for quite some time now and it is by no means an easy fix but white washing it does nothing to aid it. Player reports and clan decisions are in particular deeply rooted with bias decision making by administrative personal. Player reports by/of clan members being snatched by the clan leaders, administrators going out of their way to get certain player reports seemingly because they do not like the person reported or being reported.

Rules being made up, actions being compared with real life examples even when the actions are conflicting with rules are all strong examples of this. There seems to be an extreme lack of transparency when it comes to this sort of thing and I can see why people would think nothing is being done about it, I subscribe to this notion usually, especially when it frequently happens in even recent times. You know who I am talking about. 

Administrators going to extremes to defend their friends in player reports via hidden posts is another great example of this. Something to consider.

Yeah, i've posted things before where no hidden posts are made. If I was to post a PR on a FUMUKU member, the hidden posts would rise and no doubt the PR would be dealt with by Blackdog so his clan members get minimum punishments. @Enzyme Can we see something done about clan member bias with staff? Something needs to be.

How do you know he is being bias about the situation? BD does a good bit of PR’s and some of them don’t get approved because they’re IC matters. Unless you have any evidence from these hidden posts, I don’t think it warrants an investigation.

I think I know HR good enough now that they’ll put more effort into a case with better evidence. A coincidence is not much to go off.

[richie]

Bias behavior has been damaging Limelight's community for quite some time now and it is by no means an easy fix but white washing it does nothing to aid it. Player reports and clan decisions are in particular deeply rooted with bias decision making by administrative personal. Player reports by/of clan members being snatched by the clan leaders, administrators going out of their way to get certain player reports seemingly because they do not like the person reported or being reported.

Rules being made up, actions being compared with real life examples even when the actions are conflicting with rules are all strong examples of this. There seems to be an extreme lack of transparency when it comes to this sort of thing and I can see why people would think nothing is being done about it, I subscribe to this notion usually, especially when it frequently happens in even recent times. You know who I am talking about. 

Administrators going to extremes to defend their friends in player reports via hidden posts is another great example of this. Something to consider.

Yeah, i've posted things before where no hidden posts are made. If I was to post a PR on a FUMUKU member, the hidden posts would rise and no doubt the PR would be dealt with by Blackdog so his clan members get minimum punishments. @Enzyme Can we see something done about clan member bias with staff? Something needs to be.

How do you know he is being bias about the situation? BD does a good bit of PR’s and some of them don’t get approved because they’re IC matters. Unless you have any evidence from these hidden posts, I don’t think it warrants an investigation.

I think I know HR good enough now that they’ll put more effort into a case with better evidence. A coincidence is not much to go off.

The amount of people who have alerted HR about Blackdog being bias is way too many to account for. If so many people have reported it, it warrants an investigation rightly.