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On the memorial day, 25th May 2020, 46 year old African-American George Floyd was murdered. 

    Former Officer Derek Chauvin knelt with all of his weight on Floyd's neck for over 7 minutes. Bystanders recorded and demanded the police officers to check his pulse when George Floyd went silent and stopped moving. 

    Floyd's last words were "I can't breath", similar to the words of Eric Garner, a 43 year old African American of NYC who suffocated to death in 2014 from a chokehold.

   The Police Officers claimed that George Floyd was "physically resisting", evidence shows otherwise.

    George Floyd's death sparked an outrage all over social media, sparking demonstrations, riots, vandalism, and lootings all over mainland United States. Many notable celebrities expressed their anger, from LeBron James, to Kim Kardashian, to Justin Bieber.

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   The Minneapolis Police Department in response to the pressure fired the 4 Police Officers that were involved in George Floyd's death. The city released their identities, they're identified as Derek Chauvin, Thomas Lane, Tou Thao, and J Alexander Kueng.

   Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey called for Hennepin County Attorney Mike Freeman to press charges against the arresting officer. His reasoning behind his call is stated in Twitter, "If most people, particularly people of color, had done what a police officer did late Monday, they’d already be behind bars. That’s why today I’m calling on Hennepin County Attorney Mike Freeman to charge the arresting officer in this case."

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    President Donald Trump in response to the death was stated in Twitter, "at my request, the FBI and the Department of Justice are already well into an investigation as to the very sad and tragic death in Minnesota of George Floyd...."

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Videos and images below show what led to the tragedy, how it looked like, and what happened after.

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Death of George Floyd; before and the aftermath.

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I have my own take on this subject but if you want to hear it, PM me. It’s a long explanation and opinion for a thread reply. May Floyd Rest In Peace.

Bloody insane this is happening just 20 miles from my house (35-ish kilometers for you euros). Bloody insane that I also work at a Target and seeing the damage which these people did to the one shown in the post just makes this hit even closer to home.

My Uncle and two cousins also live right in the middle of it all and have barricaded their street and their house to keep anyone from getting in. They are just as angry about the man being killed, but they also don't want their house burned down.

(This is a repost from the closed thread, sorry but I spent too much time on this post to just have it be closed)

Let's start this off by saying I am genuinely surprised. When it comes to use of force situations, I am usually having to argue that the amount of force used was justifiable in the given situation, while the other party is calling me a "boot licker" or a racist. However, I completely disagree with the use of force tactics in this situation, and disagree that training was the issue.

I am going to lay out the facts here first, and then my opinion at the end.

Facts:

On Monday, May 25th, Minneapolis Police responded to a call about a suspected forgery at a local restaurant. Upon arriving, they observed George Floyd sitting on top of a blue car, and believed he was under the influence of either alcohol or narcotics based off of his behavior. (That is what the spokesman for the Minneapolis Police Department said, however after watching multiple surveillance videos, all I see is Officers contacting a blue vehicle occupied by three individuals, two of them voluntarily exit, and George Floyd slightly resists, causing them to forcefully remove him from the car before searching him, cuffing him, and sitting him down on the sidewalk.)

This part of the encounter can be viewed here: https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/searc...tion=click

Before we continue, I would like to state a couple misconceptions that people make regarding use of force, and your rights when detained by a police officer.

Firstly, I get a lot of comments all the time saying that a police officer cannot place you in handcuffs. According to supreme court case Muehler V Mena, it states that an Officer can place you in handcuffs so long as you are detained. This also falls under most departments "officer safety" guidelines.

Secondly, let's talk about resisting. There are six levels of resistance that you can classify a suspect under.

1. Psychological Intimidation – Nonverbal cues indicating a subject’s attitude, appearance, and physical readiness. (Ex: Karate stance, the finger, fist to palm, up your arm)
   
   
2. Verbal Noncompliance – Verbal responses indicting unwillingness or threats. (Ex: “Go to hell,” “I’m not going,” “I’m going to kill you.”)
   
   
3. Passive Resistance – Physical actions that do not prevent officer’s attempt to control. (Ex: Passive demonstrator sitting on the ground)
   
   
4. Defensive Resistance – Physical actions that attempt to prevent officer’s control, but never attempt to harm the officer. (Ex: Pulls away from officer, walks away from officer)
   
   
5. Active Aggression – Physical actions of assault. (Ex: Subject punching or kicking officer)
   
   
6. Deadly Force Assault – Deadly force encounter. (Ex: Suspect trying to stab officer with knife)
   

So, essentially just by him pulling away from an officer, he is at the fourth level of resistance, which is defensive resistance. It is evident that he reached this level of resistance, I did not visually witness a moment where he exceeded to level five or six.

After the Police talk to Floyd for a few minutes, they begin to pick him back up, and escort him to a cruiser. During this time, he actively pulled away twice, meaning he was using defensive resistance.

This is where it gets a little confusing. Both the media and the Minneapolis Police Department fail to mention the events that occurred between the initial interaction that is shown in the previous video, and whatever incident occurred that resulted in Floyd being taken to the ground. I would love to see full, unedited surveillance footage from the restaurant and review it, so if anyone has it, please let me know.

Then there is the incident everybody has already seen, Floyd on the ground, with an officers knee in his neck for roughly eight minutes. Maveric has mentioned the neck restraint tactic. Here is a couple things:

• Many departments across the United States have actually banned "neck restraints" such as the NYPD. The reason being is because while it is effective, once the person is unconscious you have seconds to release the hold before it becomes fatal. This Officer did not ever release. The suspects muscles shut down, he stopped talking, he stopped breathing, and civilians were informing the Officers multiple times of the severity of the situation.
  
  
• Departments all across the country use the term "Necessary" when describing their use of force tactics. Necessary means that no reasonably effective alternative to the use of force appeared to exist, and the amount of force used was reasonable to effect the lawful purpose intended. The issue with this neck restraint, is that there were other reasonably effective alternatives that could be used. OC Spray, taser, baton, open hand strikes, or even close hand strikes are all reasonable, effective, and legal use of force alternatives. Also, once the suspect is unconscious, the lawful purpose for using that force has been met.
  

Never once did any of the Officers check for vital signs or to see if Floyd was breathing. Instead, they continued to apply the neck restraint even when the lawful purpose intended no longer existed.

Opinion:

These Officers used excessive force on a suspect that directly caused his death. The Officer applying the force should be charged with Murder in the Second Degree, and his partner should be charged with Accessory to Commit Murder.

Honestly, the death penalty comment does not seem "disgusting" to me as long as it is a legal option in that state. This officer choked someone to death while his partner watched. That is the bottom line.

Similarly to catfish i dont think that what the officer did was justified. The officer killed a man and didn't care. Eventhough the officer may have been following training he ended up killing a man. In the words of Ryan Tillman "only God can be the judge". We can have our opinions on this situation, but the only person who can fully judge what happened is God. Ill link the video down below.

(May 28, 2020, 01:09 PM)Maveric Wrote: [ -> ]In the words of Ryan Tillman "only God can be the judge". We can have our opinions on this situation, but the only person who can fully judge what happened is God. Ill link the video down below.

I am sure it is easy for us to actually judge this officer, as it was indeed murder. God was quite useless in that situation.

(May 28, 2020, 04:24 PM)pufitee Wrote: [ -> ]its breathtaking what the officer did, rip

I dont think breathtaking is the word you were looking for, what the officer did wasnt good or amazing. It was cruel and disgusting.

As someone who works very closely with the Police (not in Minneapolis), I’ll speak out. 

I’ll mainly touch on this...Yes, this was horrible and disgusting. I understand why people are protesting, however it’s important to remember that not all police officers are like this. A lot of people just see a badge and gun when things like this happen, and forget the main reason that the Police exists in the first place..to protect the communities they work in. Do I think it should be done like that? Absolutely not. As I said, it’s horrible and disgusting and the officer involved should certainly be charged with at a minimum 2nd degree murder for it. 

Please just don’t forget that behind the badge they’re regular people just like you and I. They bleed the same way we do, they love the same way we do, they hurt the same way we do. 

Prime example of a law enforcement officer speaking out against this is Officer401 on YouTube (won’t be linking the video here, but feel free to look him up if you’d like to see it), who is a sheriffs deputy in Georgia. 

Thoughts and prayers going out to those affected by this.

(May 28, 2020, 05:18 PM)ForceGhost Wrote: [ -> ]

(May 28, 2020, 04:57 PM)Maveric Wrote: [ -> ]

(May 28, 2020, 04:24 PM)pufitee Wrote: [ -> ]its breathtaking what the officer did, rip

I dont think breathtaking is the word you were looking for, what the officer did wasnt good or amazing. It was cruel and disgusting.

It's choking me up thinking about it.

I'm going to be fairly honest, even if I might get a forum warning. The fact you think hat this topic is funny enough to joke about it it disgusting, let's say your wife was choked to death by a police officer and some guy was going round saying the shit you're saying. You wouldn't be happy, there are people who this has affected the fact you dont care is your opinion. But if you're going to go onto a discussion that is serious and start being an asswipe, then that crosses a line. I'm sure you wouldn't want to lose a significant other or a family member and then have someone joke about it. It's quite simple, just be considerate of other people.

Its common sense that restraining someone by putting your knee on their neck can obstruct the airway. Hopefully the officers in question face criminal charges for their actions.

(May 28, 2020, 05:29 PM)Maveric Wrote: [ -> ]

(May 28, 2020, 05:18 PM)ForceGhost Wrote: [ -> ]

(May 28, 2020, 04:57 PM)Maveric Wrote: [ -> ]I dont think breathtaking is the word you were looking for, what the officer did wasnt good or amazing. It was cruel and disgusting.

It's choking me up thinking about it.

I'm going to be fairly honest, even if I might get a forum warning. The fact you think hat this topic is funny enough to joke about it it disgusting, let's say your wife was choked to death by a police officer and some guy was going round saying the shit you're saying. You wouldn't be happy, there are people who this has affected the fact you dont care is your opinion. But if you're going to go onto a discussion that is serious and start being an asswipe, then that crosses a line. I'm sure you wouldn't want to lose a significant other or a family member and then have someone joke about it. It's quite simple, just be considerate of other people.

ok

Another side of this, there are points of control on the human body.

For instance, you might hear somebody say “If you control the head, you control the body.” That is entirely true, sometimes, a grab of the neck can be used to appropriately take down an actively resisting suspect. 

However, not for eight minutes. Not even for a whole minute.

the cop was a shit cop but this is not a race issue

(May 28, 2020, 05:29 PM)Maveric Wrote: [ -> ]

(May 28, 2020, 05:18 PM)ForceGhost Wrote: [ -> ]

(May 28, 2020, 04:57 PM)Maveric Wrote: [ -> ]I dont think breathtaking is the word you were looking for, what the officer did wasnt good or amazing. It was cruel and disgusting.

It's choking me up thinking about it.

I'm going to be fairly honest, even if I might get a forum warning. The fact you think hat this topic is funny enough to joke about it it disgusting, let's say your wife was choked to death by a police officer and some guy was going round saying the shit you're saying. You wouldn't be happy, there are people who this has affected the fact you dont care is your opinion. But if you're going to go onto a discussion that is serious and start being an asswipe, then that crosses a line. I'm sure you wouldn't want to lose a significant other or a family member and then have someone joke about it. It's quite simple, just be considerate of other people.

ok ❄️