[Jokhah]

[Apex]

[Taylor]

[Apex]

[Taylor]

[Jokhah]

Some people would rather make excuses then to accept any responsibility for their actions.  Keep blaming the staff for all the problems.  Keep saying that the people telling you to look in the mirror are the problem.  You're only fooling yourself.  Toxic behavior isn't a side effect, its a conscious decision which lies solely on the one doing it.  The logic of it being a side effect would be like saying "I rioted because the police are mean, the damage is their fault."  Try holding that up in court.

[BlackDog]

If a water treatment plant begins to stop working, do i blame the water for becoming contaminated or does the blame fall to those who allowed it to fall apart in the first place?

[Doctor Internet]

If a water treatment plant begins to stop working, do i blame the water for becoming contaminated or does the blame fall to those who allowed it to fall apart in the first place?

It depends. Does the water in this situation have the capacity to make its own decisions about how contaminated it is?

[BlackDog]

It does, but the fact remains: Someone let it get to that point in the first place without doing what needed to be done to prevent it, and in the end it lies with those same people, not the water, to correct the problem before it gets worse.

[Jokhah]

I'm with Internet on the logic.

Here is another way to look at it.  This one isn't abstract, its what's actually happening here and now.


"We can't fix the problems with the staff, so we shouldn't fix the problems with ourselves."

I wish the military held the logic of this community.  At least then we'd all speak the same language.


I have nothing else to say.  If you find yourself still "debating" at this point, where the logic is that simple, you don't want to solve anything.  It's obvious because you are so unwilling to change yourself for the better that you'd rather complain and blame others.  Staff don't make players act the way they do.  Facts.

Change for the better, or perpetuate your broken and pathetic cycle of blaming others for what YOU do.  In the real world, it won't pan out for you.  "Oh I didn't do my work because bob over there in management didn't do his job one time a few weeks ago."

Regardless of yalls lil word play bullshit, you are the only one responsible for what you do at the end of the day.  If being decent is too much, by all means join the band wagon and jump ship to another community.  Go be toxic there.

[Apex]

Actually no, the community are just as much of the issue as the staff: 

Toxic Community -> Demotivated Staff -> Staff Inactivity -> Toxic Community etc. It’s an endless cycle, and it’s the community that needs to step up.

"and it’s the community that needs to step up." Good luck with that. A toxic community is a symptom, not a illness.

This is my point exactly, some of the community don't have the maturity to realise THEY are problem and they need to work WITH the staff team, not against them.

You didn't understand, a toxic community (As blackdog said) is the byproduct of a bad staff team and poor rules.

[Welker]

I have nothing else to say.  If you find yourself still "debating" at this point, where the logic is that simple, you don't want to solve anything.  It's obvious because you are so unwilling to change yourself for the better that you'd rather complain and blame others.  Staff don't make players act the way they do.  Facts.

If you're unwilling to discuss and debate an issue then you really are part of the problem. Because that is what a community is supposed to be, a collective of opinions not just yours.

Not saying you've wrong, but in this entire thread you're been extremely arrogant to anyone who happens to not agree completely with what you say. You claimed on discord that everyone who disagreed with you is 'triggered'. It's just quite hypocritical, really. Practice what you preach.

TL:DR
Limelight has problems in the community, staff and everything in between. Blaming any one group is not going to do anything but create more division.

[Doctor Internet]

[Taylor]

[pufitee]