[MrBindex]

I allow them to throw cones at me, as it was keeping them away from the arrest area. After that I can't say what happened

[Judge Rage]

Forceghost was not told to pass the barrier, he was given a chance to turn back and instead tried to drive off into the forest and was arrested.

You did not take "maybe a few steps over the barrier", you ran a good 10-15 metres past it to where Forceghost was being dealt with, hence why you were also arrested. Don't try to mislead in the courthouse Cole.

I've already explained why you were all arrested. You should have distanced yourself from Internet and Forceghost if you didn't want to also face the same fate. 

You all still raided the President, whether or not he was the target. You escalated a situation needlessly. This is a disturbing incident coming from two teachers and a contributor. With all of your hours you should all know better, nevermind the fact that yourself and Forceghost are teachers - your role is to promote roleplay and help people navigate the rules. Your role isn't to bend the rules and raid the President to randomly execute two police officers.

I'd prefer if you didn't accuse me of "bending the rules" and "misleading the courthouse", I've told my story, whether you agree with it or not gives you no right to accuse me of said rule breakages.

Rule 12.1 

You were several metres beyond the barriers - you could not have accidentally crossed that distance.

This PR is accusing you of said rule breakages, which have evidence to back them up. I will not partake in bickering on this PR. I've stated my side of the story and so have you.

[Cole]

Your evidence also lacks any context to the situation, if you have a video that'd be much better of showing what happened.

[Kvatch]

Right, so both you and Kvatch committed about 4 unlawful and unjustified arrests on us throughout this entire situation.

1) The first one arresting ForceGhost because he drove around the roadblock, like he was told to by an officer on-scene, then you come out of nowhere pointing firearms at him and arrested him for "passing a police barricade" (or something along those lines).

In my first confrontation with Doc and Force, I told them "It would be unfair for me to ask you to leave the area since you live here, but I'd ask you to stay in doors for me until this can be figured out". Nobody to my knowledge told him he could go through the barricade, leading to a completely justifiable arrest.

2) The second one where you arrested me because I took maybe a few steps over the barricade and then went back, you decided to have an officer taze me and drag me back to the situation only to arrest me for the same reasoning as ForceGhost.

I can't say anything regarding this since I wasn't there, but if you're pushing the line and tormenting the officers in a stressful situation (having cones thrown at us), you can understand why the arrest was made. In those kinds of situations, it's best just to back away and let us do our jobs. You pushing Judge's buttons and being a general nuisance isn't gonna go down well for you.

3) Now, for the third unjustified arrest, you decided to arrest Doctor Internet, ForceGhost and I for standing on our property but instead claimed "we threw cones at you" when we didn't at all. You claimed it is stated under "common law" but common law could mean anything, especially considering it's not defined in Limelight or in the city of Rockford.

I can acclaim witness to you throwing cones. ForceGhost earlier admitted to throwing cones at King.Cal. Don't lie in the courthouse. Saying "we" didn't throw them is targetting all of you as a group, when some of you were in fact throwing them and obstructing our investigation.

4) And the fourth arrest, Kvatch arrested Vadar for "attempted evasion" and whatnot due to the fact that he claimed that he saw Vadar in a grey Ford Mustang evading from police yet completely failed to provide any evidence as well as Vadar completely switching his vehicle beforehand.

At the time, I had arrested Vadar on suspicion of reckless driving due to the fact that we had only come in contact with 1 other yellow hazmatted individual. Vadar's character has been previously known to drive a grey mustang, and my character has been witness to this, allowing me to be further convinced that it was him driving it.

There were a few more situations which I can not recall fully and so they've been left out.

That being said, Internet then requested a meeting with the President after he'd been released from jail regarding both yours' and Kvatch's actions. Whilst Vadar, ForceGhost and I were waiting outside of the barrier we found out that we could get passed the Secret Service's security and detain him without you guys seeing us (of which we successfully did). After successfully detaining said Secret Service agent we loaded up firearms and rushed the Presidential room to get both Kvatch and Judge Rage; not the President (you can see this as we released any hostages that weren't the two officers in question).

A raid of the Presidential floor is unlawful at that time, as I cleared up with Bambo. You hostage roped the President and his Secret Service, putting them under Fear RP and breaking into his office. This is, by obvious definition, a raid of the President, regardless of whether he was the target or not, you were raiding him.

If you break into somebody's house, you might not be going in with the intent to hostage the owner, kill the owner or do anything in regards to the owner, but you might be going in with the intent of stealing property or something else inside. Would you also consider that not a raid against the owner? In this case, the President is the owner and we are the "something else inside".

[Kvatch]

Your evidence also lacks any context to the situation, if you have a video that'd be much better of showing what happened.

Care to shine some light on this "context" that we're missing then, please?

[Cole]

@Kvatch, regarding my first situation that you replied to.. either I am getting mixed up or you misunderstood which situation I was on about; it was the one at the fallen tree in the road?

I'm going to await staff analysis from here on.

[Bambo]

I eventually left that scene to head back to the PD to set up a notice board for the PD, when a grey mustang sped past me, only just making it through a red light. I chose to ignore this IC'ly. I got a radio call telling me there was a grey mustang spotted and the driver was wearing a yellow hazmat suit. Now, earlier with my confrontation between Doc. and Force, the only person wearing the hazmat suit was Vadar, who had previously left the scene. In the previous paragraph, I don't recall ever seeing an armoured vehicle, though I could be wrong.

Vadar is shown to be injured and afterwards killed when you first confronted Doc and Force while Barashick was also there. So, if you saw him injured you either didn't choose to help him and he died, or you did not see him at all.

Judge was dealing with Doc, Cole and Force throwing cones about and obstructing an arrest (on Vadar), as I was dealing with the aforementioned detainnee. By this point, anyone can conclude that all 4 individuals (all masked, can I add) were related to the silver warehouse, and were occupants of said warehouse, considering their frequent business outside of it. Whilst Vadar was being arrested (while he was walking off under gun point, I have no evidence of this, however), Judge tazed and cuffed the others for obstructing an arrest. With the President's approval in the form of him accepting the warrant, I entered the property to find contraband, but they had already been arrested before I could inform Judge to add it to the warrant.

Only Cole was masked in that situation, masked with no ID available etc.

After the arrest you entered the property just because they were obstructing arrest?

-- Snip --

Regardless of whether or not the President was the target, you still raided his office. So therefore, you still raided him. 

We raided his office, correct, but the rule clearly states when raiding the President. Something of which we were not doing, we raided his office due to the fact that both of you were inside.

The best option would've been to ambush outside of the Town Hall once the police have gotten out. You should not enter the President's office with guns even if he was not targeted just because you believe arrests were wrongful. You should have handled it passively first, which was what Doctor Internet was doing. You entering the President's office is a presidential raid due to it being the presidents office. You fully knew that the president was there and you knew that's where he operates from, any attacks that occur to the office is a presidential raid.

[Kvatch]

I eventually left that scene to head back to the PD to set up a notice board for the PD, when a grey mustang sped past me, only just making it through a red light. I chose to ignore this IC'ly. I got a radio call telling me there was a grey mustang spotted and the driver was wearing a yellow hazmat suit. Now, earlier with my confrontation between Doc. and Force, the only person wearing the hazmat suit was Vadar, who had previously left the scene. In the previous paragraph, I don't recall ever seeing an armoured vehicle, though I could be wrong.

Vadar is shown to be injured and afterwards killed when you first confronted Doc and Force while Barashick was also there. So, if you saw him injured you either didn't choose to help him and he died, or you did not see him at all.

Judge was dealing with Doc, Cole and Force throwing cones about and obstructing an arrest (on Vadar), as I was dealing with the aforementioned detainnee. By this point, anyone can conclude that all 4 individuals (all masked, can I add) were related to the silver warehouse, and were occupants of said warehouse, considering their frequent business outside of it. Whilst Vadar was being arrested (while he was walking off under gun point, I have no evidence of this, however), Judge tazed and cuffed the others for obstructing an arrest. With the President's approval in the form of him accepting the warrant, I entered the property to find contraband, but they had already been arrested before I could inform Judge to add it to the warrant.

Only Cole was masked in that situation, masked with no ID available etc.

After the arrest you entered the property just because they were obstructing arrest?

I'm not sure what you're asking. We arrested them for disturbing a crime scene and obstructing an arrest, therefore a property search was conducted.

[Cole]

So you're essentially saying that we should've stood outside the Town Hall with guns, risking our lives and risking people seeing us and reporting it to the police, and wait about 20 minutes for them to come down? Rather than up there with about 3 witnesses (1 of which timed out; the President)?

I'd also like @Doctor Internet to give his input, if he wishes to, as he watched the entire situation happen. In which time the situation, whilst not "signed off" by him, not stopped by a member of the administrative team who had no issues with the situation in hand.

[Overlewd]

So you're essentially saying that we should've stood outside the Town Hall with guns, risking our lives and risking people seeing us and reporting it to the police, and wait about 20 minutes for them to come down? Rather than up there with about 3 witnesses (1 of which timed out; the President)?

I'd also like @Doctor Internet to give his input, if he wishes to, as he watched the entire situation happen. In which time the situation, whilst not "signed off" by him, not stopped by a member of the administrative team who had no issues with the situation in hand.

And you are saying that raiding the town hall when there are multiple cops and SS inside is not "risking your lives" by comparison?

[Bambo]

You've risked raiding the presidential office, surely following them and ambushing them elsewhere or staying in your vehicles across the townhall would be a far better option without pulling the president who was dealing with it passively and was dealing with it with one of your people inside the situation and raiding his office and potentially executing people right there because you were wrongfully arrested, breaking more laws and actually breaking them knowingly will prove their points and that you were a threat.

[Cole]

So you're essentially saying that we should've stood outside the Town Hall with guns, risking our lives and risking people seeing us and reporting it to the police, and wait about 20 minutes for them to come down? Rather than up there with about 3 witnesses (1 of which timed out; the President)?

I'd also like @Doctor Internet to give his input, if he wishes to, as he watched the entire situation happen. In which time the situation, whilst not "signed off" by him, not stopped by a member of the administrative team who had no issues with the situation in hand.

And you are saying that raiding the town hall when there are multiple cops and SS inside is not "risking your lives" by comparison?

Either way, there is a risk of our lives, but to do it inside where it's concealed and WE KNOW that we will gain control over the situation has a significantly reduced risk.

[ForceGhost]

If we attack inside we know that the LEOs don't have weapons drawn, why would they if they're in a meeting? Being outside they are more likely to have a weapon drawn.

[Kvatch]

If we attack inside we know that the LEOs don't have weapons drawn, why would they if they're in a meeting? Being outside they are more likely to have a weapon drawn.

That WOULD be good logic, if there were no server rules preventing that.

[ForceGhost]

I'd also like to point out the photos.



This image you can seem we have separated the non-involved people from the involved people. We would have also hastened the Presidents involvement up, had he not disconnected a couple have minutes in. We asked no demands from the President, SSA, nor the non-involved LEO. As soon as we had carried out the execution, the other people were released.

Also, can someone just stay on the Presidential Floor and that makes them invincible from any aggressive RP?