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PR -> [L²:RP][F.I] ForceGhost, [L²:RP] Cole, [L²:RP] Vadar
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Can the reported and reporters please respond and explain all the arrests that led to this situation?
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Jul 18, 2018, 03:33 PM
Right, so both you and Kvatch committed about 4 unlawful and unjustified arrests on us throughout this entire situation.

1) The first one arresting ForceGhost because he drove around the roadblock, like he was told to by an officer on-scene, then you come out of nowhere pointing firearms at him and arrested him for "passing a police barricade" (or something along those lines).

2) The second one where you arrested me because I took maybe a few steps over the barricade and then went back, you decided to have an officer taze me and drag me back to the situation only to arrest me for the same reasoning as ForceGhost.

3) Now, for the third unjustified arrest, you decided to arrest Doctor Internet, ForceGhost and I for standing on our property but instead claimed "we threw cones at you" when we didn't (edit: maliciously throw them) at all, (edit: KingZ had stated that we could throw them on him). You claimed it is stated under "common law" but common law could mean anything, especially considering it's not defined in Limelight or in the city of Rockford.

4) And the fourth arrest, Kvatch arrested Vadar for "attempted evasion" and whatnot due to the fact that he claimed that he saw Vadar in a grey Ford Mustang evading from police yet completely failed to provide any evidence as well as Vadar completely switching his vehicle beforehand.

There were a few more situations which I can not recall fully and so they've been left out.

That being said, Internet then requested a meeting with the President after he'd been released from jail regarding both yours' and Kvatch's actions. Whilst Vadar, ForceGhost and I were waiting outside of the barrier we found out that we could get passed the Secret Service's security and detain him without you guys seeing us (of which we successfully did). After successfully detaining said Secret Service agent we loaded up firearms and rushed the Presidential room to get both Kvatch and Judge Rage; not the President (you can see this as we released any hostages that weren't the two officers in question).
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Jul 18, 2018, 03:37 PM
(Jul 18, 2018, 03:19 PM)Judge Rage Wrote:
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Regardless of whether or not the President was the target, you still raided his office. So therefore, you still raided him.
 

We raided his office, correct, but the rule clearly states when raiding the President. Something of which we were not doing, we raided his office due to the fact that both of you were inside.
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Jul 18, 2018, 03:38 PM
(Jul 18, 2018, 03:33 PM)Cole_ Wrote: Right, so both you and Kvatch committed about 4 unlawful and unjustified arrests on us throughout this entire situation.

1) The first one arresting ForceGhost because he drove around the roadblock, like he was told to by an officer on-scene, then you come out of nowhere pointing firearms at him and arrested him for "passing a police barricade" (or something along those lines).

2) The second one where you arrested me because I took maybe a few steps over the barricade and then went back, you decided to have an officer taze me and drag me back to the situation only to arrest me for the same reasoning as ForceGhost.

3) Now, for the third unjustified arrest, you decided to arrest Doctor Internet, ForceGhost and I for standing on our property but instead claimed "we threw cones at you" when we didn't at all. You claimed it is stated under "common law" but common law could mean anything, especially considering it's not defined in Limelight or in the city of Rockford.

4) And the fourth arrest, Kvatch arrested Vadar for "attempted evasion" and whatnot due to the fact that he claimed that he saw Vadar in a grey Ford Mustang evading from police yet completely failed to provide any evidence as well as Vadar completely switching his vehicle beforehand.

There were a few more situations which I can not recall fully and so they've been left out.

That being said, Internet then requested a meeting with the President after he'd been released from jail regarding both yours' and Kvatch's actions. Whilst Vadar, ForceGhost and I were waiting outside of the barrier we found out that we could get passed the Secret Service's security and detain him without you guys seeing us (of which we successfully did). After successfully detaining said Secret Service agent we loaded up firearms and rushed the Presidential room to get both Kvatch and Judge Rage; not the President (you can see this as we released any hostages that weren't the two officers in question).

Forceghost was not told to pass the barrier, he was given a chance to turn back and instead tried to drive off into the forest and was arrested.

You did not take "maybe a few steps over the barrier", you ran a good 10-15 metres past it to where Forceghost was being dealt with, hence why you were also arrested. Don't try to mislead in the courthouse Cole.

I've already explained why you were all arrested. You should have distanced yourself from Internet and Forceghost if you didn't want to also face the same fate. 

You all still raided the President, whether or not he was the target. You escalated a situation needlessly. This is a disturbing incident coming from two teachers and a contributor. With all of your hours you should all know better, nevermind the fact that yourself and Forceghost are teachers - your role is to promote roleplay and help people navigate the rules. Your role isn't to bend the rules and raid the President to randomly execute two police officers.
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Jul 18, 2018, 03:54 PM
The topic of conversation here seems to be leaning towards the initial arrest, so it'd be nice if we could avoid that and stick to the original topic of the PR, however I will clear some things up in (as best I can) chronogical order.


I responded as the Police Chief to a fallen tree as well as some commotion over at the silver warehouse. I asked Doctor Internet and Forceghost if they knew what was going on, since I'd only just arrived and was pretty clueless at this point. They told me there had been a fallen tree and that they can see dead people and talk to trees. I asked them if they're the primary owners of the property, which they responded with "yes". This lead me to make an immediate connection between those two characters and the property which is the silver warehouse.

I eventually left that scene to head back to the PD to set up a notice board for the PD, when a grey mustang sped past me, only just making it through a red light. I chose to ignore this IC'ly. I got a radio call telling me there was a grey mustang spotted and the driver was wearing a yellow hazmat suit. Now, earlier with my confrontation between Doc. and Force, the only person wearing the hazmat suit was Vadar, who had previously left the scene. In the previous paragraph, I don't recall ever seeing an armoured vehicle, though I could be wrong.

I arrived back at the silver warehouse after we lost the mustang, searching almost everywhere for it. I'd found a yellow hazmatted individual who was injured on the ground. The paramedic was healing him and I cuffed him as he did so. At this time, he was not being arrested but was being detained for questioning, as you would expect. He decided to walk away as my back was turned after telling him countless times to stay at my vehicle, because he kept walking off. This raised my suspicions further. What made it worse was that Cole was telling me he went one way, and Force was telling me he went another way, which raised my suspicions even further.

Judge was dealing with Doc, Cole and Force throwing cones about and obstructing an arrest (on Vadar), as I was dealing with the aforementioned detainnee. By this point, anyone can conclude that all 4 individuals (all masked, can I add) were related to the silver warehouse, and were occupants of said warehouse, considering their frequent business outside of it. Whilst Vadar was being arrested (while he was walking off under gun point, I have no evidence of this, however), Judge tazed and cuffed the others for obstructing an arrest. With the President's approval in the form of him accepting the warrant, I entered the property to find contraband, but they had already been arrested before I could inform Judge to add it to the warrant.


After the arrest
Myself and Judge were called up to the office to discuss everything that had occurred. The individuals arrested were not happy with mine and Judge's performance so they wanted to see what the President had to think about it - understandable, and might I add, this is their method of a peaceful resolution which had not yet been exhausted. During the encounter, Cole, Vadar and Force stormed in and put everybody under gun point, and told us to raise our hands. We complied, moving to face the wall.

As Judge has mentioned, a raid on the President was unlawful at this time considering no peaceful resolutions were exhausted. I can't help but question Doctor Internet's involvement in this, since they seemed very co-ordinated, almost as if Internet knew they were about to do this and they were talking over some external methods of VOIP. Why he didn't mention rule 12.1, I don't know. My best guess would be bias towards his friends, letting them do what they please. Even after our attempts at asking them their reasons behind it OOC'ly, they continued.


If I've misunderstood anything or forgotten anything, please let me know. That was everything from my recollection.

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(Jul 18, 2018, 03:38 PM)Judge Rage Wrote: Forceghost was not told to pass the barrier, he was given a chance to turn back and instead tried to drive off into the forest and was arrested.

You did not take "maybe a few steps over the barrier", you ran a good 10-15 metres past it to where Forceghost was being dealt with, hence why you were also arrested. Don't try to mislead in the courthouse Cole.

I've already explained why you were all arrested. You should have distanced yourself from Internet and Forceghost if you didn't want to also face the same fate. 

You all still raided the President, whether or not he was the target. You escalated a situation needlessly. This is a disturbing incident coming from two teachers and a contributor. With all of your hours you should all know better, nevermind the fact that yourself and Forceghost are teachers - your role is to promote roleplay and help people navigate the rules. Your role isn't to bend the rules and raid the President to randomly execute two police officers.

I'd prefer if you didn't accuse me of "bending the rules" and "misleading the courthouse", I've told my story, whether you agree with it or not gives you no right to accuse me of said rule breakages (edit: the ones stated above - "bending the rules", "misleading the courthouse").
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