[Dick]

@Doctor Internet does provide excellent points towards the subject (Above). As much as I could see corruption to a certain extent towards the teacher team doing this however LimeLight's Staff Team has specifically chosen players who would do an excellent job towards the community in supporting players. With this, Doctor Internet has also provided pretty great advice and records towards the points that players have made saying they would be "less valuable" or "asslicked" however I'd say the same to be honest. If someone is ass-licking me, that's their choice, but it wouldn't make me give them a REP. From personal preference, I have roleplayed on many serious RP servers and roleplayed different styles. 

I believe it would be great for this to actually be around, even for a test trial for a few weeks to see how the process does go. Enzyme has stated in the past about this topic that they had tested this and it didn't work out however, I personally believe we have a quite different Teacher/Assistant team than what LimeLight had 9-12 months ago and another test or trial to see how it is used would be a valuable way of testing the teacher team to see if they have the capabilities to keep the power the staff team has trusted them with.

Reading upon the previous selection of comments that has been brought up by @Toxic when someone else thought this should be implemented, there was a massive range of people actually +supporting or -supporting however to be somewhat on an even level. The suggestion and this was simply only 9 months ago when the reasoning as removed. I believe we should looking into both threads slightly and read upon what people have wrote. In the spoiler below, I have selected some unique points that players and staff have wrote in the link given by Toxic. (https://limelightgaming.net/forums/threa...age-1.html)

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Brynn:

- Support for veterans. Like Decay said they gave up the rank and the perks when they resigned and shouldn't have anymore commands then a normal player.

As for teachers, It's something that could be discussed.

Neutral for now on teachers.

Safira:

I agree with this; when you give up the responsibilities of Admin, you give up the perks, too.
Vet status holds the same rank as Donator. They have no special authority and is simply a mark of appreciation for their service to the community.

As for Teachers, I think certainly they should be able to recommend players. Perhaps if the system were allowed to be remote, they could suggest an RP and its participating players, Staff can add the REP (much like how we can ban/blacklist offline from the server) and when the player joins, it'll show up.

Innovative:

I As a teacher i see RP that definitely deserve REPS, i think people think that teachers would abuse power, but this is not true, i as a teacher I take my role seriously i try to help as much as i can. It's kind of worrying to see players don't have a lot of trust in teachers, i'm going to have to cry tonight.

But staff do have a large responsibility as it is, and they do like to RP Too, teachers are here to help and having this role is a privilege something we don't intend to abuse.

Sirwulf Commenting on Innovative's point (When Teacher, I believe):

Innovative Wrote:

I As a teacher i see RP that definitely deserve REPS, i think people think that teachers would abuse power, but this is not true, i as a teacher I take my role seriously i try to help as much as i can. It's kind of worrying to see players don't have a lot of trust in teachers, i'm going to have to cry tonight.

But staff do have a large responsibility as it is, and they do like to RP Too, teachers are here to help and having this role is a privilege something we don't intend to abuse.

It actually is worrying, I've heard this a lot recently. Makes me sad to think that there is so much distrust, I'd like to understand why.

The Rock:

Or make Teachers being way more hard to become teachers and those who are already will be under staff eye , so they can give points.

Enzyme:

When a staff-member resign and get a veteran tag (Administrator or higher) then they are no longer a staff-member.
They get the medal that says Veteran as a small thank-you but they are no longer under any special guidelines or rules (except for the normal ones). As it was mentioned on this thread, when a staff-member steps down then they sign away their powers and responsibility.

Teachers are not staff either and they are not under any special guidelines or rules (except for the standard ones). They can't break the rules as they'll loose their spot but that's it really.

We've tried giving teachers the power to give REP before (as a test) and it just did not work out as we wanted at all.
This was also discussed once more internally but the team agreed that teachers should not be able to give REP.
Their task is to assist players who are new or are experiencing issues so the staff can focus on @ calls and other things.

It's not that I don't appreciate what the teachers are doing because I really do appreciate it. They really do a great job with helping new players getting a grasp in our servers. There just is a reason why teachers (and veterans) aren't able to give /REP.

I think that teachers should be able to recommend people, but that's it.


- Support to Veterans being able to give REP.
- Support to Teachers being able to give REP.



(Wednesday, March 9th, 2016, 05:39 PM)Brax Wrote:
See, people who say Teachers are more likely to abuse.

Teachers have to apply, and are reviewed heavily by staff before they are given the rank. If they are accepted, I think they deserve the ability. If it's abused, it can very easily be taken away:

Teachers are reviewed by staff and other teachers. There are requirements for teachers, but if teacher were to have the power to give REP then the requirements would have to be increased significantly in my opinion as that's just not a power that teachers are meant to have. The teacher program was made so those who wanted to be of assistance to new players could do this. This position isn't for those who want it easier to get staff or to get some "higher rank" than other people. We want people who join teachers because they sincerely want to help people. If the teacher-rank were to get too many powers then we'd draw in the wrong kind of people for the job. We've had issues with some teacher acting superior over other players as well as acting biased and just idiotic but I'm glad that those issues have been worked out.


So to sum up:

REP is a staff-power because it's a significant and important power. Due to it being so important as it is, only a few selected people (staff) are trusted with the power and they use them under strict guidelines and rules that "normal people" don't have to follow.

Veterans are no longer staff.
Teachers are not staff.

Nacraes:

While I know veterans are former staff members and they were trusted members of the community, they handed their access back when they stepped down. Rewarding players should remain the responsibility of the current team which would exclude ex-staff and teachers. For the record; teachers are assistants only and aren't there to give players any special treatment other than guidance and to be a friendly faces around the community for players to look up to.

-Support.

Restrictions on how it would be done and run could be chosen by @Nacreas and @Safira with the rest of the staff team if they'd like to place their input in how the teacher team should reward REPs if this process is added. Reading Doctor Internet's post and spending quite the amount of time in the Shower and traveling to college, as given me a lot o time to think over this and has actually changed my opinion.

I am actually going to +Support this suggestion, with restrictions, limitations and a discussion between The Teachers, Teacher Staff Officers and any other staff that have added input into how the teacher team would give REPs out.

[Marvin Hampton]

I can see the reason why players would want this to be implemented, Reps are not always given when they probably should be. Although a clear set of rules for teachers would need to be given so that this would not become out of control. I recommend a trial period before anything becomes permanent.

+Support

[Night]

I think there could be some advantage to this.

Obviously as Sours rightly pointed out, this would need to be guided by Nacreas and Safira as they're the current teacher liaison officers. I see why there's a massive lack of support here, not limited to excess in REP points being handed out, REP's losing their purpose, asslicking and biassedness.

I'm sure it's been mentioned more than once here saying that teachers are just here to help, but at the same time, we're also here to help guide and influence roleplays. As it stands, if we feel a roleplay is worthy of a REP, then we'd need to coordinate with staff, have them take a look, make their own decision on the roleplay and then issue the REP if they feel it's appropriate to do so. If we were to be given access, I would suggest capping the amount we can hand out, and for every REP we do hand out, it needs to be documented by a form or similar, detailing what the RP was, who the players involved were, time, date etc and if this isn't filled out, then the REP could be revoked.

This is a more than fair suggestion, however I agree that it does need to be limited.

[The Rock]

Changing from - support to + support , Reps needed to be handle more , i now agree teachers should be able to reward server and help players getting reps by helping them on their roleplays

[Nebula]

-support

Teachers are "just" players who are here to Help people.
I just dont like this idea at all

[Doctor Internet]

-support

Teachers are "just" players who are here to Help people.
I just dont like this idea at all

Our main responsibilities are to:
Help players.
Promote good RP.

I'd say that this falls under the second responsibility.

[Marvin Hampton]

-support

Teachers are "just" players who are here to Help people.
I just dont like this idea at all

Our main responsibilities are to:
Help players.
Promote good RP.

I'd say that this falls under the second responsibility.

[Agorith]

I nearly -Supported because of my experience and insight on the topic as staff on FL.
I realised I shouldn't let my experience there define a whole different set of people here.

If properly managed as well as it is explained by both Doctor Internet & Sours, I'd say this should work out just fine.
If any Teachers are seen having a clear bias towards certain members of the community and/or hand out far too many REP's resulting in them no longer being much of an achievement, those individual Teachers simply get an internal warning and/or their ability to hand out REP taken away for a certain period of time.

As I said, if properly managed this could only further benefit the Limelight community.
+Support.

[Project]

+Support including what has been said above.

[Safira]

I would personally +Support this.
REPs are divided into 3 categories, with the intent being that it should be easier to get a REP simply because you need more to unlock REP items.
The Teacher Team here is almost completely new to the old team - the one whom the privilege was taken away from because of overuse. I don't think it's fair to hold them back by the same assumption.
Equally, the Teacher Team ain't stupid. They'll easily see past the compliments and general asslickery given to sway them into giving you a REP.

At the end of the day guys, it's more REPs in the picture. Why complain?!

[Arch.B]

I believe +Support
No offence but not many admins give out reps. If you look at the recent reps on the F1 it's almost always empty. So I believe there should be more (non staff) members who are slightly more active and are more involved with RP on a regular basis that can recognise good RP and award people for this.

[Eclipze]

+Support

[Burnett]

What Safira and TheRock said.

+support

We keep track on REP (database) anyways. Once abused, we will just revert all those REPs and take action.

[Admiral.]

What Safira and TheRock said.

+support

We keep track on REP (database) anyways. Once abused, we will just revert all those REPs and take action.

[akne]

Neutral

Needs to be a rule that teachers can not give a REP to another teacher, member of their clan or someone who is participating in their roleplay. If not it's just gonna be you scratch my back I scratch yours. They could just fabricate an RP in every category such as general, government and underground to get all the perks.