[Catfish]

Lagg!! I am not a Developer and literally have no idea when it comes to server development. But I have played on communities with so much less lag in logs of different game modes. Sometimes it's virtually unplayable. Can something actually be done about this?

We're looking at a few things. I just finished college (except one class but sue me) and with corona I have some time on my hands. I won't make any promises but I am hoping to improve things

I mean this would be great. I have a pretty good computer and good wifi but as soon as I go above 15mph you can almost guarantee I'll freeze then suddenly smashed into the wall. Also, Standalone?

I always feel bad when I freeze and come back to find that I plowed through some poor pedestrian

[Taylor]

If there is a community meeting it might be a good idea to do it like the 1.6 meeting, where we only invite people who gave made good points and engaged in healthy debate, otherwise it will likely make as much progress as the thread will.

I mean, the community feedback guys exist for a reason. Might be a wise idea to have these people voice the opinions of the community as opposed to having a completely open meeting.

[goigle]

I mean this would be great. I have a pretty good computer and good wifi but as soon as I go above 15mph you can almost guarantee I'll freeze then suddenly smashed into the wall. Also, Standalone?

Some of those freezes are some weird behavior with the map. I can reproduce damn near 100% of the time I'll have some sort of stutter of freeze when on Nightingale road going toward lake.

The problem with optimizing the game is that it doesn't really matter how good your PC is (to an extent). Since everything runs on 1 thread things can bottleneck very quickly and when you have systems on systems it clogs.

I don't want to derail the thread but standalone is a project of mine unrelated to LL.

Now here are my thoughts on things to possibly change, and as always, I’d love to hear feedback. 

- Car theft rules. Like I said previously, cars get stolen all the time for the purpose of having a vehicle that cannot be traced back to the suspect. They commit a crime, and dump the car. In my opinion, this is completely acceptable, and should be allowed.

I don't think the rules prevent this if you have good background RP.

I can't speak for other staff, but I think a situation like the Mafia using a burner car would be pretty cool and relatively realistic. It happens all the time. It has to be within reason and if a group is constantly stealing and dumping cars that might not be OK. A group that plans out an attack or major operation and steals a car to execute the attack, that's fine in my book. A group that steals an enemy group's car to frame that group for the attack? That would be some pretty cool RP. In that case you guys aren't car thieves that are just stealing cars, you are criminals using a car to achieve a goal. Something like that would have to be pretty coordinated to prevent ANPR pings causing the plan to get ruined. The car thief / burglar part of the rule specifically targets people who set their job to that and are exclusively stealing cars or burgling houses, it doesn't mean anyone who steals cars necessarily needs a chop shop. 

- The “Cop Baiting” rule. 

There's more to cop baiting than speeding and ultimately it's case-by-case. The rule is mainly targeted toward people who commit crimes in the open to get into a chase or firefight not necessarily speeding. It also prevents people from saying "fuck the cops, I'm located here, come get me!!" in order to get raided.

- FearRP.

FearRP definitely is counter intuitive in some instances. It definitely has led to many peoples death. If it were to be replaced we'd need something to give death real meaning like heavy item loss or something. We'd also need to differentiate between a death that should incur that loss (such as execution) and one that shouldn't (such as deaths from the world / props / cars that can be from bugs or accidents).

[Lord Octagon]

We need this suggestion done already.

[Taylor]

- FearRP.

FearRP definitely is counter intuitive in some instances. It definitely has led to many peoples death. If it were to be replaced we'd need something to give death real meaning like heavy item loss or something. We'd also need to differentiate between a death that should incur that loss (such as execution) and one that shouldn't (such as deaths from the world / props / cars that can be from bugs or accidents).

Or allow staff to enforce permadeath in specific circumstances

[BasicallyMental]

darkrp category
actual government system
more of a risk to doing criminal RP, by removing some rules and allowing more creative RP for players cause its very restricting

[Bunny_]

darkrp category
actual government system
more of a risk to doing criminal RP, by removing some rules and allowing more creative RP for players cause its very restricting

By more creative you mean pew pew rp?

[BasicallyMental]

darkrp category
actual government system
more of a risk to doing criminal RP, by removing some rules and allowing more creative RP for players cause its very restricting

By more creative you mean pew pew rp?

No because that is still cops and robbers, which is what the community wants to try and come away from.
I'm talking more intricate criminal RP, that involves bribary, could inspire some more interesting content for the developers to create, but sadly I feel like they lack motivation to want to create content here

[roxas]

If players want to get away from "Cops 'n' Robbers" then players should actually just get away from it. RP (especially in Gmod) will always be Cops n Robbers. And it doesn't matter what kind of content a server provides.

Why? Because it's the players that turn it into Cops n Robbers. Most people simply enjoy that.
You don't want Cops n Robbers? Just don't do it loooooooool I don't get it.

You're free to do any RP that comes into your mind.

[bimkx]

I think there's a general agreement here towards LL's rules being too restrictive, but that's not news to anyone and alternatives have been discussed many times, and at previous community meetings.

We were supposed to get an "Alt Server" or something like that, where there was only 10 rules and some technical enforcement, nothing has come of this. I remember discussing it with @Faustie‍

Many of my friends still play here and it's a shame I have no motivation to play or contribute anymore because it's just fucking boring. You connect, drive around for 10 minutes and there's absolutely fuck all going on because of the clinical nature of Limelight and it's rules.

Back in the day I used to connect and you'd have 15 cunts in gas mask suits storming down mainstreet in a firefight with the president, and every single shop on mainstreet full of passives. It felt alive, it felt fun. Now there is just nothing, unless you're heavily engaged in ClanRP.

Just scrap half of the rules already and motivate the staff to actually lighten the fuck up, get off their high horse and have some fun with the community with mini events, helping builds etc.

Make the alt server with 10 rules or just take some drastic action. Not just *another* map change because nobody knows how else to make the server fun again. I don't think it's about a lack of content or the wrong map, because no matter what the content is and what the map is it's still going to be completely boring and draining to play. Yes some people are going to get upset but to make an omlette you gotta break some eggs, something that LL was literally founded on with the split from FL. Where has all of that spark gone? So what if a couple of people are going to cry about drastic changes, let them piss of somewhere else and watch as more and more people start having fun again.

It's not even worth putting the effort in to make events for the event server right now because we don't have enough pop. You need to first get the community to grow and enjoy mini-events before anyone is going to want to even bother in an event server event. The events back in the day used to be huge and you'd have 40-50 people in the events. Now it's like 15 because the community is so small and there's some stroppy cunts who cry about it being held on the main server. Get a grip, you've got to deal with 2 or 3 hours of not having your contrawhore or pretending to be a cop because you're a plastic cop IRL.

The same people who cry and cry to get rules created and cried at events on the main server are the same people who've effectively killed this server, and the staff are also to blame for not standing up to them either years ago.

Oh and while we're at it, why not go into the DarkRP category with Fearless? DarkRP has basically become a "RP" category in GMod encompassing tonnes of different roleplay styles with so many of them heavily modified from DarkRP that it doesn't even feel wrong being in there.

Oh and use this to boost server ranking

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[BasicallyMental]

If players want to get away from "Cops 'n' Robbers" then players should actually just get away from it. RP (especially in Gmod) will always be Cops n Robbers. And it doesn't matter what kind of content a server provides.

Why? Because it's the players that turn it into Cops n Robbers. Most people simply enjoy that.
You don't want Cops n Robbers? Just don't do it loooooooool I don't get it.

You're free to do any RP that comes into your mind.

A city relies on money, and the only way that efficiently makes money is contraband. What does this result in? Guns, and cops and robbers.
If we aren't being given the alternatives, through content, then what other RP do we have a choice to do?
Telling people not to do cops and robbers on a server that offers nothing else, is basically telling the playerbase to not bother playing.

Sure, I can make a shop. But where do people earn the money to buy things for my shop? Contraband.
Sure, I can chop wood, but that is simply boring.
There are multiple fun other RP's that could become available had the content been available, ALONGSIDE, the rules not telling me i'm not allowed to do it. There is a lack of motivation to come to the server as there is nothing new. I feel like developers have lost the motivation to create content because of a lack of playerbase, which then sparks the discussion of how do we increase the playerbase to all-round increase motivation? As I mentioned before, join somewhere that isn't hidden amongst a million other gamemodes, DarkRP.
People will complain it will only bring minges, but lets take a look at FL, and the good it has done that community. Minges are going to join whether we are in a seperate CityRP category, or if we are in DarkRP. If anything, it's more of a target to minges being in a seperate, low player count category. There is no image to the community, no advertisement for it, no where for it to be seen. And having L2 in your name literally means nothing when joining another server - no one cares about a prefix in your name.

You're free to do any RP that comes into your mind.

I'll quote you on this when you're punishing me for breaking RP restricting rule number 39

[Brin.]

If players want to get away from "Cops 'n' Robbers" then players should actually just get away from it. RP (especially in Gmod) will always be Cops n Robbers. And it doesn't matter what kind of content a server provides.

Why? Because it's the players that turn it into Cops n Robbers. Most people simply enjoy that.
You don't want Cops n Robbers? Just don't do it loooooooool I don't get it.

You're free to do any RP that comes into your mind.

A city relies on money, and the only way that efficiently makes money is contraband. What does this result in? Guns, and cops and robbers.
If we aren't being given the alternatives, through content, then what other RP do we have a choice to do?
Telling people not to do cops and robbers on a server that offers nothing else, is basically telling the playerbase to not bother playing.

Sure, I can make a shop. But where do people earn the money to buy things for my shop? Contraband.
Sure, I can chop wood, but that is simply boring.
There are multiple fun other RP's that could become available had the content been available, ALONGSIDE, the rules not telling me i'm not allowed to do it. There is a lack of motivation to come to the server as there is nothing new. I feel like developers have lost the motivation to create content because of a lack of playerbase, which then sparks the discussion of how do we increase the playerbase to all-round increase motivation? As I mentioned before, join somewhere that isn't hidden amongst a million other gamemodes, DarkRP.
People will complain it will only bring minges, but lets take a look at FL, and the good it has done that community. Minges are going to join whether we are in a seperate CityRP category, or if we are in DarkRP. If anything, it's more of a target to minges being in a seperate, low player count category. There is no image to the community, no advertisement for it, no where for it to be seen. And having L2 in your name literally means nothing when joining another server - no one cares about a prefix in your name.

You're free to do any RP that comes into your mind.

I'll quote you on this when you're punishing me for breaking RP restricting rule number 39

THIS IS CITYRP! It ain't made to be fun. You own a shop, you sell things. You having fun yet? No? How about every 15 minutes someone will rob you and you lose money. What about now you having fun? Still no? Try this then, every 5-10 minutes someone will come in scream down the mic and run back out. Still not fun? Well, you just don't know what fun is then do you?

Basically, if you don't enjoy shops you don't enjoy cityRP.

[bimkx]

If players want to get away from "Cops 'n' Robbers" then players should actually just get away from it. RP (especially in Gmod) will always be Cops n Robbers. And it doesn't matter what kind of content a server provides.

Why? Because it's the players that turn it into Cops n Robbers. Most people simply enjoy that.
You don't want Cops n Robbers? Just don't do it loooooooool I don't get it.

You're free to do any RP that comes into your mind.

A city relies on money, and the only way that efficiently makes money is contraband. What does this result in? Guns, and cops and robbers.
If we aren't being given the alternatives, through content, then what other RP do we have a choice to do?
Telling people not to do cops and robbers on a server that offers nothing else, is basically telling the playerbase to not bother playing.

Sure, I can make a shop. But where do people earn the money to buy things for my shop? Contraband.
Sure, I can chop wood, but that is simply boring.
There are multiple fun other RP's that could become available had the content been available, ALONGSIDE, the rules not telling me i'm not allowed to do it. There is a lack of motivation to come to the server as there is nothing new. I feel like developers have lost the motivation to create content because of a lack of playerbase, which then sparks the discussion of how do we increase the playerbase to all-round increase motivation? As I mentioned before, join somewhere that isn't hidden amongst a million other gamemodes, DarkRP.
People will complain it will only bring minges, but lets take a look at FL, and the good it has done that community. Minges are going to join whether we are in a seperate CityRP category, or if we are in DarkRP. If anything, it's more of a target to minges being in a seperate, low player count category. There is no image to the community, no advertisement for it, no where for it to be seen. And having L2 in your name literally means nothing when joining another server - no one cares about a prefix in your name.

You're free to do any RP that comes into your mind.

I'll quote you on this when you're punishing me for breaking RP restricting rule number 39

THIS IS CITYRP! It ain't made to be fun. You own a shop, you sell things. You having fun yet? No? How about every 15 minutes someone will rob you and you lose money. What about now you having fun? Still no? Try this then, every 5-10 minutes someone will come in scream down the mic and run back out. Still not fun? Well, you just don't know what fun is then do you?

Basically, if you don't enjoy shops you don't enjoy cityRP.

"ain't made to be fun" are you dense? That's the entire point. We are or at least used to be "Semi Serious"

[Brin.]

A city relies on money, and the only way that efficiently makes money is contraband. What does this result in? Guns, and cops and robbers.
If we aren't being given the alternatives, through content, then what other RP do we have a choice to do?
Telling people not to do cops and robbers on a server that offers nothing else, is basically telling the playerbase to not bother playing.

Sure, I can make a shop. But where do people earn the money to buy things for my shop? Contraband.
Sure, I can chop wood, but that is simply boring.
There are multiple fun other RP's that could become available had the content been available, ALONGSIDE, the rules not telling me i'm not allowed to do it. There is a lack of motivation to come to the server as there is nothing new. I feel like developers have lost the motivation to create content because of a lack of playerbase, which then sparks the discussion of how do we increase the playerbase to all-round increase motivation? As I mentioned before, join somewhere that isn't hidden amongst a million other gamemodes, DarkRP.
People will complain it will only bring minges, but lets take a look at FL, and the good it has done that community. Minges are going to join whether we are in a seperate CityRP category, or if we are in DarkRP. If anything, it's more of a target to minges being in a seperate, low player count category. There is no image to the community, no advertisement for it, no where for it to be seen. And having L2 in your name literally means nothing when joining another server - no one cares about a prefix in your name.

I'll quote you on this when you're punishing me for breaking RP restricting rule number 39

THIS IS CITYRP! It ain't made to be fun. You own a shop, you sell things. You having fun yet? No? How about every 15 minutes someone will rob you and you lose money. What about now you having fun? Still no? Try this then, every 5-10 minutes someone will come in scream down the mic and run back out. Still not fun? Well, you just don't know what fun is then do you?

Basically, if you don't enjoy shops you don't enjoy cityRP.

"ain't made to be fun" are you dense? That's the entire point. We are or at least used to be "Semi Serious"

CityRP is basically real life sim lmao. Simple ain't fun.

[bimkx]

THIS IS CITYRP! It ain't made to be fun. You own a shop, you sell things. You having fun yet? No? How about every 15 minutes someone will rob you and you lose money. What about now you having fun? Still no? Try this then, every 5-10 minutes someone will come in scream down the mic and run back out. Still not fun? Well, you just don't know what fun is then do you?

Basically, if you don't enjoy shops you don't enjoy cityRP.

"ain't made to be fun" are you dense? That's the entire point. We are or at least used to be "Semi Serious"

CityRP is basically real life sim lmao. Simple ain't fun.

If this was a sim server or serious RP gamemode perhaps. What we've actually got is a semi-serious gamemode and a shitty set of rules that makes it move towards serious RP.

Then there's people like you who don't seem to be able to grasp that this is Semi Serious.