[Rydolph]

nice meme, bad bait.

k.

they're changing how they think who they are. regardless of if they think that they're (insert gender), the only issue i see is the fact that you care so much about how the other person wants to feel with their body.

no. not relevant, and idiotic to suggest such. common sense please.

I'm not making memes or baiting you, I'm asking questions.

I am allowed to care about other people because, I'm not that detached.

It is in every way relevant, and you won't answer the question because it would unfortunately seem that you don't have the capacity to be mature enough to have a civil discussion without leaning to insults.

trying to argue that age is equivalent to gender isn't relevant because it isn't and anyone with a hint of common sense knows this.

refer to previous posts.

I've never said that age is equivalent to gender, I'm saying that if someone is allowed to change their gender, then it would only be right to allow people to change their age - which should obviously never be allowed, and therefore being able to change your gender should never be allowed; equality, right?

If I can also add, you saying that "anyone with a hint of common sense" would agree with you, is basically just you subtley insulting those who disagree with you.

[kian]

I'm not making memes or baiting you, I'm asking questions.

I am allowed to care about other people because, I'm not that detached.

It is in every way relevant, and you won't answer the question because it would unfortunately seem that you don't have the capacity to be mature enough to have a civil discussion without leaning to insults.

trying to argue that age is equivalent to gender isn't relevant because it isn't and anyone with a hint of common sense knows this.

refer to previous posts.

I've never said that age is equivalent to gender, I'm saying that if someone is allowed to change their gender, then it would only be right to allow people to change their age - which should obviously never be allowed, and therefore being able to change your gender should never be allowed; equality, right?

someone changing their thoughts vs someone trying to change a well-defined, biological process and scientific fact.

you do see why I ask that you come to this discussion with common sense?

[Rydolph]

trying to argue that age is equivalent to gender isn't relevant because it isn't and anyone with a hint of common sense knows this.

refer to previous posts.

I've never said that age is equivalent to gender, I'm saying that if someone is allowed to change their gender, then it would only be right to allow people to change their age - which should obviously never be allowed, and therefore being able to change your gender should never be allowed; equality, right?

someone changing their thoughts vs someone trying to change a well-defined, biological process and scientific fact.

you do see why I ask that you come to this discussion with common sense?

I edited a new bit into my previous point which I guess you were too quick to reply to see, and as the situation is the same with this (your) reply, I'll put it here too:

If I can also add, you saying that "anyone with a hint of common sense" would agree with you, is basically just you subtley insulting those who disagree with you.

If you're have a penis then you're a boy, and if you're have a vagina then you're a girl - this is also a well-defined, biological process and scientific fact.

[Hungames]

Gender and sex have always been interchangeable. It wasn't until the last few years that I've heard anyone argue over the meaning because the LGBT++ movement hadn't taken place. Now, companies are changing their definitions to be "inclusive" and people like Bill Nye claim they have "scientific" proof that gender is a spectrum and unrelated to sex. 

To the Ben Shapiro clip, the logic is sound. If gender is a fluid social construct that can be changed, why can't you change your age? Time is not a scientific fact (there are scientific ways to measure it, but we created those to fit our ideas). We originally measured time based on the sun's position, but there is no force of nature that forces us to do it. Why can't we redefine a day to be a full revolution of the Earth around the Sun? For example, if I'm 25 years old in normal time, why can't I say I'm "time-nonconforming", redefine one day to be a revolution, and be less than a fraction of a year old?

Problem is, time is a set proven thing.

"The base unit of time in the International System of Units (SI), and by extension most of the Western world, is the second, defined as about 9 billion oscillations of the caesium atom. The exact modern definition, from the National Institute of Standards and Technology is:

The duration of 9192631770 periods of the radiation corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the caesium-133 atom."

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Since the oscillations of the caesium atom are constant and never changing, time has been set from this, which means you can't equate something like time to something fluid like gender. (Not biological sex.)

And who determined that exactly 9192631770 periods of the radiation.... would equal 1 second? Why isn't it 9192631771 periods of radiation? That number was obviously chosen for a reason, however, literally any other number could have been chosen depending on how many long scientists wanted a second to be. There is no law of physics, thermodynamics, proven biological process, or anything of the sort that says that 1 second is determined by exactly ____. Time is the best invention of human history, but it is just that, an invention.

[kian]

I've never said that age is equivalent to gender, I'm saying that if someone is allowed to change their gender, then it would only be right to allow people to change their age - which should obviously never be allowed, and therefore being able to change your gender should never be allowed; equality, right?

someone changing their thoughts vs someone trying to change a well-defined, biological process and scientific fact.

you do see why I ask that you come to this discussion with common sense?

I edited a new bit into my previous point which I guess you were too quick to reply to see, and as the situation is the same with this (your) reply, I'll put it here too:

If I can also add, you saying that "anyone with a hint of common sense" would agree with you, is basically just you subtley insulting those who disagree with you.

If you're have a penis then you're a boy, and if you're have a vagina then you're a girl - this is also a well-defined, biological process and scientific fact.

the whole idea about your penis/vagina is related to sex, which is separate to gender.

i've made this point several times, please keep up. you don't get this, do you?

sex, gender. not same. different. thanks.

i'm not insulting those who disagree with points that make sense. but you don't seem to get the gist of anything said.

age and gender can't be compared. sex and gender are not the same.

genitals do not represent gender, they represent sex (in most cases)

[Rydolph]

someone changing their thoughts vs someone trying to change a well-defined, biological process and scientific fact.

you do see why I ask that you come to this discussion with common sense?

I edited a new bit into my previous point which I guess you were too quick to reply to see, and as the situation is the same with this (your) reply, I'll put it here too:

If I can also add, you saying that "anyone with a hint of common sense" would agree with you, is basically just you subtley insulting those who disagree with you.

If you're have a penis then you're a boy, and if you're have a vagina then you're a girl - this is also a well-defined, biological process and scientific fact.

the whole idea about your penis/vagina is related to sex, which is separate to gender.

i've made this point several times, please keep up. you don't get this, do you?

sex, gender. not same. different. thanks.

i'm not insulting those who disagree with points that make sense. but you don't seem to get the gist of anything said.

age and gender can't be compared. sex and gender are not the same.

genitals do not represent gender, they represent sex (in most cases)

I am aware that you don't want gender and sex to be the same. But the fact is it doesn't matter; if you're born male then you're male and if you're born female then you're female. 

This discussion between me and you is going in circles, so I'm going to wait to let someone else give some new points to argue against.

[kian]

I edited a new bit into my previous point which I guess you were too quick to reply to see, and as the situation is the same with this (your) reply, I'll put it here too:

If I can also add, you saying that "anyone with a hint of common sense" would agree with you, is basically just you subtley insulting those who disagree with you.

If you're have a penis then you're a boy, and if you're have a vagina then you're a girl - this is also a well-defined, biological process and scientific fact.

the whole idea about your penis/vagina is related to sex, which is separate to gender.

i've made this point several times, please keep up. you don't get this, do you?

sex, gender. not same. different. thanks.

i'm not insulting those who disagree with points that make sense. but you don't seem to get the gist of anything said.

age and gender can't be compared. sex and gender are not the same.

genitals do not represent gender, they represent sex (in most cases)

I am aware that you want gender and sex to be the same. But the fact is it doesn't matter; if you're born male then you're male and if you're born female then you're female. 

This discussion between me and you is going in circles, so I'm going to wait to let someone else give some new points to argue against.

i'm saying they're not the same.

holy shit LMAO

[Preditor]

You know not to be that guy, but I'm pretty sure we had this debate last year. It's interesting to have a reunion.

I don't care who or what you are, you have your right to keep that to yourself just don't force it onto others. The moment you start placing your rights over the rights of other people is the moment things get sour, whether you're gay or not.

[Lord Octagon]

Sex: Determined based on your allosomes. At least one X and no Y means female. At least one X and at least one Y means male.

Age: Determined by a period of time, time itself has a definition.

2019 Meanings:
Gender: How you 'feel' your sex should be. 

[Word yet to be decided, but I'll call it 'transage' for now]: How you 'feel' your age should be.

As you can see, there is perfectly logical reasoning behind comparing transgenderism to transageism. Both of these concepts take an already observable truth (time is a truth, though we have a unified standard of measuring it), and modify it to add 'feelings'.

No matter how you feel, the fact is that your gender is your sex. The Y allosome has the SRY gene that codes for proteins, such as transcription factors, that allow for the development of a male - otherwise, a female is developed. No amount of feelings will change this fact, if you 'feel' different that is a disorder.

Similarly, no matter how you feel, the fact is that your age on its own cannot be changed. Time exists and we standardise the measurement of time, if you change how time is standardised then that changes everyone's age equally. If you were to redefine time yourself, with no consensus, then your new age would just be converted to the standard. So transageism, much like transgenderism must be a disorder.

So yeah, they can be compared and both are illogical concepts. But you can't pick one over the other, either you advocate for both or neither.

[Eclipze]

I myself don't have a personal problem with homosexuals who wish to make love to someone of the same gender. Whatever happens in their bedroom is none of my business however I don't see the pride month or the pride parade as something healthy nor positive. Usually at a lot of these festivals there is a lot of degeneracy going on. Women running around half naked, showing off their breasts and nipples. Men walking around in BDSM clothing, waving dildos around and even some are naked. While children are watching, yes children are watching this. These parades are filled with pornography, degenarcy and nudity, it's disgusting.

As for being transsexual, I will never call a male who wishes to be a female a female, he will always be a male to me if I know he is transgender, its mentally unstable to have such feelings. 

Ask yourself this, can your mom become your dad and can your dad become your mom? No.

Here are some pictures from the pride parades. Warning these pictures are disturbing and contains degeneracy, may contain pornography for some?

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[Jeff Ford]

From the great Ben Shapiro:

Well obviously Cole likes Ben Shapiro. This makes a lot of sense now.

[Vinic]

So this is where the party is. Hi, everyone.

[Cole]

From the great Ben Shapiro:

Well obviously Cole likes Ben Shapiro. This makes a lot of sense now.

This is a serious discussion thread.

[Zombie]

haram.

[Zaidplays]

haram.

Hahahaha