[Kimpow]

The roleplay wouldn't be concluded, for I returned. Therefor, not thinking I needed to say such. 
Again, for I had the intention to fully return once I re-collected myself, which PMs can prove.

[Ishnifan]

(not involved but posting for zaid)

(Involved in the whole RP situation i was also there at the Vault) May i just add that after Kimpow ran away from the vault i ran after her but Due to StephanGH Blocking the vault entrance by the time i left the bank and Turned the Corner she was all the way down The road by that time as she had a Little headstart. No more than 10-15 Minutes later i get a texted by I think was Nemesis saying she was in the AFK slot so i decided to text Kimpow with something like "You know we are still looking for you right?" which then she replied by saying "im busy rn, just dealing with OOC stuff" i believe she replied at which then i responded by saying "You dug a hole too deep" which show that i gave her a clear sign we were still Rping if any staff is able to check the logs it would help (evidence wise) but i did give her a clear message that we were still Rping whilst looking for her, Thank you- ZaidPlays

[Kimpow]

I intended to return, though I thank Zaid for sending me that message. I was not going to tell him how upset I was with the whole situation for I believe that to only would end up in laughter etc. 

Again, private messages were sent to the person that would help me set up the continuation of the roleplay and have been locked in the logs. I encourage those that are able to, to have a look in the logs. 

I did in fact return, having bought the property that was going to be used for the roleplay, only to then instantly be put in an @-sit. Therefore, not able to continue the roleplay.

[Night]

[StephanGH]

[Kimpow]

Whilst that may be, the character system isn't designed for that, which HR have clarified. I shouldn't need to go to a roleplay thread to clarify whether "Lil' Tibbs" and "Kim Lawrence" are two different people or individuals. If you meant for them to be the same person, you could have done as your IC name "Kim 'Lil' Tibbs' Lawrence", as that would indicate the two characters are the same and then you could change your job to indicate that your roleplaying as this "Lil' Tibbs" character. As I'm told, backed with evidence, that your job title was "The Red Revolt - Lil ' Goons", this could be altered to "The Red Revolt - Lil' Tibbs". This would indicate your roleplay was that of this Lil' Tibbs personality and not the standard everyday person you see walking down the streets.

The way that you've executed this seems to be a misunderstanding on your half. Personally, I don't see the correlation between Lil' Tibbs and Kim Lawrence, as they're both wildly different names from one another and I don't see how the two link. If it was fairly close to the name then I might be able to understand, but in this case we're talking polar opposites.

Although you make a good point, I’d like to add that if there was any confusion they were free to contact me. It is not my task, I believe, to simply give IC information on a platter. I did this to lessen the chances of meta-gaming. 

If something isn’t clear, don’t blame the person who gives the information for to thinks  person it will be clear. They could have simply asked rather than assume that I swapped character. This again, proves the lack of confidence they have in me as a roleplayer, assuming the worst possible case. Which is quite odd, for Bambo even stated via voice that it was odd for a roleplayer of my calibre to break such a rule.

I have not even heard about the character swap during the @-sit, therefore thinking that they’re simply trying to pick anything they can get to punish me on. If they would have brought it to my attention, I would have notified them.

Whilst the original message from the staff member whose identity I've now confirmed internally and have spoken to during the course of this appeal did show uncertainty and a lack of context which perhaps could have been excused, I believe the above message is clear enough to state what you should have done, rather than what you actually did. As Welker pointed out, there's also a significant time difference between the message and the time you went AFK. You should have waited on the staff member to confirm it, not just do it and hope that the answer comes back allowing you to do it.

1.3 - Do not reconnect, suicide, change job or do anything else to avoid a roleplay situation. If you suddenly have to go, inform the people you are roleplaying with via LOOC and give them a few minutes to conclude the RP. If you are unable to stay for those few minutes, we recommend that you go AFK instead of disconnecting and inform staff via @.


The rule states that you cannot avoid a roleplay situation, which I did not. If you have to take a breather then it is recommended you go AFK instead of disconnecting and inform staff via @. I should have notified the staff via @, however, I felt like telling another staff member via discord was sufficient enough. When I heard said complaints about my departure, I messaged the staff member which sent the message seen in the steam chat, to confirm if it was alright.

Perhaps foolishly having had the feeling he knew the situation, for he did tell me about Bambo trying to ban me for something that I already received a warning for.

I will take the lesson to always make an @-call and inform the people of my brief departure. Even when fully knowing I will return. I feel the emotions of all those involved got affected.  Even now, I have people talking to me about how one or multiple staff members look down upon me for creating an unban request that is a pure “shitshow”.

I have talked to multiple people on staff and others, asking what to do in this situation. They assured me that a ban for this reason was too much. With no priors, nothing on record I get instantly punished with a ban. A permanent warning would have sounded more reasonable.

They decided to punish me upon the reason where Welker felt I did have ill intent. But how can you prove such when I already said I fully returned when I calmed down. Logs can confirm I sent someone a message saying I needed help to set up the apartment, when I just rented the door.

Avoiding a roleplay situation? No, I came back with the intent to continue the roleplay until I was abruptly stopped by Bambo. 
Contacted staff via @? No, however I talked via discord to inform a staff member I was going AFK.
Inform those involved via Local Out of Character? No, however, when asked by Zaid I replied instantly. Proving, I was in fact ready to answer any questions anyone might have had about my departure.
Was there any sign of ill intent? No, however for some reason when I confronted Welker with it he thought I did. Though nothing personal, right? 

I also have a large concern about how this was dealt with. Both staff members involved dealt with the @-sit. I believe it to be more fair when a neutral member deals with the situation. First Bambo talked to me about it, then when he timed out, Welker jumped in.

This concerns me, for both were heavily involved in the roleplay. They were per se, main figures in the RP. Everyone has emotions, we are all Human. I do strongly believe both staff members were taken hostage by their own emotion. Perhaps explaining the ban, instead of a warning.  I hope you understand my train of thought here.

[Bambo]

I wish to respond to things, that are voiced in such a way that makes me sound like an utter dick, and makes me look like I've targeted you.

1st of all, I have nothing against you or nothing against any player. I will not go around looking for slip ups to punish, that's something I hate especially since I believe if a person can learn from their mistake there is no need.

Perhaps foolishly having had the feeling he knew the situation, for he did tell me about Bambo trying to ban me for something that I already received a warning for.

At the initial thing, I not knowing Welker warned you about it, asked in @ chat stating that you broke FearRP and if someone could look into it. I then got told by another staff member that you were warned for it and I said;

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@ requested "Did he? I just saw what happened."

And didn't pursue it further. I did not try anything because I again, have nothing against you. You have done nothing to make me go after you, and even if you tried your best to do annoy me (not saying you did, just giving an example) I still wouldn't go out of my way to find something to punish you with, because you are like any other player a member of community for me. I treated you like I would treat any other person.

I have talked to multiple people on staff and others, asking what to do in this situation. They assured me that a ban for this reason was too much. With no priors, nothing on record I get instantly punished with a ban. A permanent warning would have sounded more reasonable.

In the initial sit I was considering giving you a warning, before I timed out. I even voiced this to Welker but stating it's up to him because at the end of the day, it depended on how you received the information about the rule breakage and if you understood.

In the end, it is obvious that you didn't understand the FearRP breakage and the rule about AFK even though I tried to explain it the best way possible.

Please in the future make sure you understand what resulted you in breaking the rule.

Ask how you broke FearRP, ask about the situation, because from this whole thing I can see that you maybe now start to understand your FearRP breakage after different staff explaining it with detail, and from the initial warning you didn't.

And the AFK situation, I still feel you didn't fully understand why. I believe THIS was the reason why a ban was placed. A warning works fine if the person receiving it fully understands the rule breakage, but it fails if the person fails to ask and fully understand it.

They decided to punish me upon the reason where Welker felt I did have ill intent. But how can you prove such when I already said I fully returned when I calmed down. Logs can confirm I sent someone a message saying I needed help to set up the apartment, when I just rented the door.

I also wish to state, I had no idea when you'd return and if you'd return. We've had people hop on AFK for hours. Also, not knowing that, the other party that you failed to inform could have left not knowing of your intent of returning. 

I also have a large concern about how this was dealt with. Both staff members involved dealt with the @-sit. I believe it to be more fair when a neutral member deals with the situation. First Bambo talked to me about it, then when he timed out, Welker jumped in.

I am also in favour of that to ensure the person I'm talking to feels that they are treated fairly but you forget, at the end of the day this was a situation that didn't annoy or cause me harm for me to decide emotionally however, this is also the reason I asked another staff member to review and conclude this UBR, as I didn't want to make you feel unfairly treated I wanted someone else to look into it.

This concerns me, for both were heavily involved in the roleplay. They were per se, main figures in the RP. Everyone has emotions, we are all Human. I do strongly believe both staff members were taken hostage by their own emotion. Perhaps explaining the ban, instead of a warning.  I hope you understand my train of thought here.

This is at the end of the day a roleplay, and although your rule breakages were unfortunate to my roleplay, they didn't annoy me or cause me harm. I was just concerned with the rule breakages that occured and while still in-game looking into the situation I asked multiple staff opinions on it.

[Kimpow]

Hello, Bambo.

I did fully understand my FearRP breakage. It happened by accident and in the future I will be more cautious when someone might be holding a weapon. I will make sure I check twice. 

I am surprised you are bringing it up in a way as if I did not understand for in our @-sit we barely talked about it. Why do you think I don't understand? For I do believe I do. I acknowledged my mistake and apologised, as seen in the evidence.

For the AFK ban, I still stand firmly on the fact I did not avoid the roleplay due to going AFK. I had to go call down only to return when ready. Which I was not long after.

It is not my fault people ought to look on the scoreboard, see I was AFK and decide to fully end the roleplay. 

If you were doubting my return, then you should have asked. I stayed on my computer to answer any questions. As again, Zaid can prove. 

Towards the emotions perhaps thrown into it. I felt moreso Welker was troubled. To my opinion, his voice was shaking. Told me he thought I had ill intent and that I had to own up to the consequences. 

I tried to explain my case. Alas, to Welker it seems that real life health does not come before roleplay. It seems petty to me, if I may say such without striking a nerve.

I felt that my points were blantantly ignored by him. He might not be able to keep his emotions in check, I think. He apparently messaged someone telling that the UBR was a shitshow. Quite odd coming from a moderator that has nothing personal against me. 

I am not pleased with how things have gone, to say the last but I hope you can understand my point of view.

I understand yours, though I know what my intentions and plans were. You sadly do not. Perhaps I ought to turn the mirror towards you, so we can all learn from this experience. 

I have learnt quite a bit, but I think you all jump to conclusions too quickly. Again, no harm meant with said words.

Have a happy new year as well.

[Welker]

Hello, Bambo.

I did fully understand my FearRP breakage. It happened by accident and in the future I will be more cautious when someone might be holding a weapon. I will make sure I check twice. 

Except you knew full well I had a gun from the front door, to the office and to the vault. You claim you fully understood the Fear RP yet you have questioned it this entire UBR. You asked me not to kill your character, you knew full well your life was at risk, yet you still decided to break Fear RP. 

I am surprised you are bringing it up in a way as if I did not understand for in our @-sit we barely talked about it. Why do you think I don't understand? For I do believe I do. I acknowledged my mistake and apologised, as seen in the evidence. 

For the AFK ban, I still stand firmly on the fact I did not avoid the roleplay due to going AFK. I had to go call down only to return when ready. Which I was not long after.

It is not my fault people ought to look on the scoreboard, see I was AFK and decide to fully end the roleplay. 

It was your decision to change jobs during an RP situation. It is nobody elses responsibility to chase after you to continue an RP

If you were doubting my return, then you should have asked. I stayed on my computer to answer any questions. As again, Zaid can prove. 

Towards the emotions perhaps thrown into it. I felt moreso Welker was troubled. To my opinion, his voice was shaking. Told me he thought I had ill intent and that I had to own up to the consequences. 

I tried to explain my case. Alas, to Welker it seems that real life health does not come before roleplay. It seems petty to me, if I may say such without striking a nerve.

I think that is a great exaggeration. It was 9 am and I had not slept, I was tired. I'd hardly say my voice was shaking. It is my job as a moderator to follow up on such concerns, it is unfortunate you feel following up on rule breakages is petty. 

I felt that my points were blantantly ignored by him. He might not be able to keep his emotions in check, I think. He apparently messaged someone telling that the UBR was a shitshow. Quite odd coming from a moderator that has nothing personal against me. 

I am not pleased with how things have gone, to say the last but I hope you can understand my point of view.

Your entire argument is based on emotions. I am not entirely sure why you're claiming my judgement was emotion based, I hardly know you nor do I really care (Personally) you broke the rules during my RP. I did say to someone over private messages that this UBR was a shit show due to how unnecessarily complicated you have made it.

I understand yours, though I know what my intentions and plans were. You sadly do not. Perhaps I ought to turn the mirror towards you, so we can all learn from this experience. 

Again, you're trying to put the blame elsewhere when you're the one who broke the rules. I understand it is upsetting to be punished for rule breakages however you should learn from the experience instead of reflecting the blame elsewhere. 

I have learnt quite a bit, but I think you all jump to conclusions too quickly. Again, no harm meant with said words.

Have a happy new year as well.

[Night]