[Project]

Why are people getting angry on behalf of Toxic? He is more than capable to voice his opinion. Let the man do what he has done for the last 2 years, moderate the server.

Also I don't get why someone staying as Stage 1 Moderator is a bad thing? I really don't get it, if you ever payed attention, it has been said that "It is important to remember that the Moderator Rank is not a definite ticket to Admin." from here. Stage 2 is practically In-game admin only.

[Nev]

@Toxic Here's some advice. Resign. Continue doing productive things w/ your life and don't get caught up wasting time with something so meaningless and with a group of people that couldn't care less about promoting you because of some little thing here or there. 

I find it very ironic how you told me yourself that you wanted to join back the team at somepoint but now because of "some little thing here or there" somehow you didn't manage to get back in the team and now we're this bad.

It is really annoying to see someone who literally has no idea what they're talking about, point out things that literally don't even exist and get mad over it because of them and then blames staff team for the things they made up.

I also find it quite funny that the people who are saying all these things to toxic don't even play on the server anymore to notice that toxic literally hasn't been on the server for more than a couple of hours for the last 3 months, yet you think its a really wise idea to promote someone who isn't active, now it kinda makes sense why you're not in the staff team. 

/rant

You're bringing up a conversation I had with you... when? Over a year ago? 
This conversation is about Toxic and saying that we have no idea what we're talking about is a tad laughable considering the fact that we've never mentioned anything specific.

We've brought up concerns surrounding the fact that we have someone sitting in an S1 Moderator position for years because of little things here or there. I'd assume it was a combination of staff reports against him in the past & some other things here and there. If there was anything too big, I'd imagine he wouldn't even be holding the position that he currently does. I never once said he should be promoted right now, but I do question why he hasn't been promoted in the past when his activity was high.

I find it ironic how you're the one defending this situation. You're a hypocrite and it's extremely funny.
<https://limelightgaming.net/forums/threa...#pid218293>

You resigned a few months ago citing, "I'd love to really explain why I am leaving, following months of bullshit from some staff certian group of LL staff members, having being tired of them and their bullshit and biased behavoir. I am done."

You're certainly not the poster boy to be defending this nor one to rant about it. You've been an admin, had your fun and gotten bored/triggered and resigned on several occasions only to come back and get onto the team with ease because you're friends with a certain group of them. 

I also find it a bit confusing why a promotion is put on hold when a staff member is away for work but administrators that also find themselves busy for work/school/other and have an extremely poor activity on the server are not then held to this same standard. Hmm.

Appreciate the attempted passive-aggressive remark at me as well. Wouldn't expect anything else coming from you!

[Raptor]

Its hard to understand how you can say "The fact" then follow it up with assumptions that you don't have anything to back

I'd assume it was a combination of staff reports against him in the past & some other things here and there.

I'd imagine he wouldn't even be holding the position that he currently does.

surrounding the fact that we have someone sitting in an S1 Moderator position for years because of little things here or there. 

How do you know that it was a combination of staff reports against him?
How do you know that he wouldn't even be holding the position that he currently does?
How do you know that it was because of Little things here or there?

Again, you can't say "the fact" then follow up with nothing. You imagining or assuming is not fact, its barely an opinion. As far as I am aware you don't really know why he is in the position that he is in. Your facts are contradicting your own facts. 

I find it ironic how you're the one defending this situation. You're a hypocrite and it's extremely funny.
<https://limelightgaming.net/forums/threa...#pid218293>

You resigned a few months ago citing, "I'd love to really explain why I am leaving, following months of bullshit from some staff certian group of LL staff members, having being tired of them and their bullshit and biased behavoir. I am done."

I never really clarified who the certain group of people are, so you can't really tell who the group is but to really make is simple and obvious its someone that isn't really in the team anymore. I made my mistake by the way I left and I owned up to it and proved myself to be a good member of the community, and as far as staff can see it they viewed me and saw me as a good member of the community and welcomed me back, I am very greatful for them allowing me back.

It had nothing to do with being friends with any of them, I barely even socially interact with any staff member, I don't really go on teamspeaks or discords unless I was asked to, I only reply to messages if I am messaged or if I needed something from someone, I don't really have friends (lol) in the staff team, granted that I know someone and I would consider them as a friend but I wouldn't say that I'm in a level of friendship where I can just ask for staff back and they be like "Alright sure" I don't know if that makes much sense to you but you already know that isn't the case I don't know why you're even trying to say it is, you know very well how to it is to get back in the team.

I also find it a bit confusing why a promotion is put on hold when a staff member is away for work but administrators that also find themselves busy for work/school/other and have an extremely poor activity on the server are not then held to this same standard. Hmm.

Because administrators have a much larger job than moderators do, admins have to deal with a lot of threads and forums internally and have to voice their opinions on those threads, moderators on the other had have to be on the server or go on the player report section and deal with those, in short moderators have one job, and administrators have many jobs combined. 

The fact of the matter to the last thing I quoted from you is, players don't need to know about everything that happens internally, by that I mean most things like updates, events, players, promotions or demotions and everything else.

[Soviethooves]

Wouldn’t it be easier for a person involved with emergency services to do votes, internal conversations, and make important decisions on the forums (which can be accessed anywhere)than to have them be on the server (which requires access to his computer)?

If he’s lacking in activity, wouldn’t it benefit the team to have him available for those discussions instead of having to be online when he obviously doesn’t have the time (even those his activity, which is extremely low, still looks to be better than most admins)

[BlackDog]

I never really clarified who the certain group of people are, so you can't really tell who the group is but to really make is simple and obvious its someone that isn't really in the team anymore.

Please stop with all the skulduggery and just say what you want to say, you did it enough times in the teacher, mod, and admins areas and named names then with nary a care on what you said, yet you wont name names now.

The way you handle yourself on this subject and how you drag it into subjects it has no berring on is quite childish , and the way you handled yourself before was more so.

If you have an ongoing issue with me or how you perceive myself and those around me, just talk to me instead of venting to anyone who will listen.

You still have me on steam if you wish to talk

[Raptor]

I didn't really want to mention you here or talk about your group here, I didn't mention the names here to avoid anymore unnecessary arguments,

The only reason why I mentioned you is because of how Nevy worded what he said about my quote and made it sound like I was talking about the current staff team. So I felt like I had to clarify that I am not talking about them. 

To me the only reason why I am posting on all these is the fact that most of the people who are writing posts on this thread either literally have no idea what it is internally and in terms of getting promoted and how to advance from stage 1 to further stages or other people who know exactly how they do get promoted but say things just to make us look bad.

People writing posts when they don't know anything about getting from moderator stage one to further stages

Mods get promoted based on the amount os S2s and Administrators for some reason.
Which means either they are pushed into S2 too soon, or they sit in S1 fully competent of being S2 and have to wait for an admin to leave their "slot".

I don't like that system.

Honestly I just find it fucked, and I have nothing but respect for Toxic being a Staff Member for this long clearly knowing the team don’t trust him. It’s stupid

What, so over two years for that one consideration? Honestly I find it truly bullshit. Either give him a promotion, training or demotion.

Exactly what Nevy put, but I'm guessing they wont even give you Veteran regardless of the amount of effort you put in. 

They seem to have a vendetta against you, so fuck them I'd say.

As you can see, two players don't really know how the internal system works but they make assumptions and think they do and the proceed to get annoyed/blame it at the staff team. 

On the other had, you get you ex-admins who know the procedure of moderators getting promoted to higher stages yet they write things like this

When you hold a superficial Garry's Mod role-play community server rank to a higher standard than an actual job. My boy Brett Kavanaugh had an easier job slipping into his position in the Supreme Court.

@Toxic Here's some advice. Resign. Continue doing productive things w/ your life and don't get caught up wasting time with something so meaningless and with a group of people that couldn't care less about promoting you because of some little thing here or there. It's not like you can put [Administrator - Limelight Gaming] on a resume anyway, XD.

Edit: Also please keep doing your job so we don't get engulfed by fires in California again, ty

Wouldn’t it be easier for a person involved with emergency services to do votes, internal conversations, and make important decisions on the forums (which can be accessed anywhere)than to have them be on the server (which requires access to his computer)?

If he’s lacking in activity, wouldn’t it benefit the team to have him available for those discussions instead of having to be online when he obviously doesn’t have the time (even those his activity, which is extremely low, still looks to be better than most admins)

As two ex-staff members who are well aware of how people get promoted, why do you say these things? like I seriously don't even understand wither it is a joke or you're being serious about everything you say.

To reply to Soviet(Gungranny) It would be a really good thing to have if we could involve all the staff members with every internal conversations and make important decisions on the forums, but as you already know, moderators don't access that part of the forums yet and not until they are promoted to admin, the reason behind that is for sensitive topics and secuirty issues, also the potential of leaking, you might trust toxic but what makes you so sure that any other future moderator won't leak? 

I honestly don't want to make a bigger arguement that it already is, the only thing I want to say is that it really annoys me when I see  people who literally don't play on the servers nor are active enough on the forums come back and try to find these topics just to talk trash on them when they have no clue what they are talking about most of the time. 

And what annoys me more is when I see ex-staff doing it and how they view almost everything they dislike as bullshit. I am going to stop aruging here wither you agree with me or not but I do wanna say that if you keep coming back and crying wolf every time something you don't like happens then some day no one's gonna come to you nor care to you, if you wanna cry wolf, cry once and cry loud, doing it over and over again no one is gonna care around the second time.

[Cole]

The irony is real with this one.

See, what I don't understand is why everyone is getting so frustrated about it. Yes, Toxic has been an S1 for years and I personally think he should've been promoted when S1 used to be a trial position but since then it has changed from a trial position and replaced by the Trial Moderator rank. To add on to that, telling him to leave or resign isn't for "his own good", he will leave when and if he wants to. He isn't forced to stay neither to leave. If he feels as if it's not worth his time then so be it, otherwise, let him be.

Like people chill, Toxic has a voice too.

[Doctor Internet]

It's not like you can put [Administrator - Limelight Gaming] on a resume anyway, XD.

I beg to differ. A couple of staff members have put that on CVs, and ended up getting jobs through the experience.

[Insert]

People writing posts when they don't know anything about getting from moderator stage one to further stages

Perhaps if we did know, threads like these wouldn't have to be up. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
You're getting agitated with this thread because you know something we do not. Please enlighten us senpai.

[Hungames]

I dont get the issue tbh. Little activity = no promotion

[Zambie ^‿^]

imo, it isn't the fact he isn't being promoted. It's the fact it has been over two years, and he hasn't received a definite answer. Yes, I don't know how the internal team functions in regards to promotions. But it looks bad, especially considering staff get promoted etc way before Toxic has had any love.

Yes, he's inactive. And I wouldn't fuckin blame him. Two years in the same position, with no actual 'motive', or I guess we could call guarantee that he'll be even considered. He's also got a job, but that cant really be seen as an excuse considering Administrators also have jobs and some are even worse in activity then Mr Toxic.

As I've said, upmost respect for the kid for standing as it is for so long

[Soviethooves]

@"Rocket" 

I was saying if you guys promoted Toxic to Admin because of his situation. It would be easier for him to collaborate and assist in internal discussions than try to be on the server IG. At this point I’m pretty sure y’all would trust someone who has decided to stay in a mediocre position for 2 years.

Next time you see ex-staff posting things, don’t get all high and mighty when it doesn’t agree with what you think is right. You can complain about it all you want (I mean, you cried wolf when you resigned, yet here we are. You back in the saddle) but differing opinions will exist and you need you deal with that better than your FUMUKU conspiracy theories.

[Raptor]

The fact of the matter is that no matter what  I say or how I say it most people won't admit they're in the wrong and would go to the furthest of extents to prove their points, people would surround themselves with people that will always agree with them just to feel secure about it and as soon as someone disagrees with them they feel threatened and start to antagonize them. 

For some reason people mistake my points for insults and make it very personal very quick, let me explain what I mean one more time and this time make sure to read the facts of what I am saying and not and not what you'd consider as my opinion, remember there is a big difference between fact, and opinion. 

imo, it isn't the fact he isn't being promoted. It's the fact it has been over two years, and he hasn't received a definite answer.

As I said before and I'll say it again, how do you know this? unless someone told you, you literally have no clue about that, you've made assumptions that you can't prove and you keep making them for some reason. 

@"Rocket" 

I was saying if you guys promoted Toxic to Admin because of his situation. It would be easier for him to collaborate and assist in internal discussions than try to be on the server IG.

I understand what you mean, but how would it be fair for him to be promoted while being inactive as a moderator, when there's other more active moderators that are more deserving of the role? It's simply not fair, not for him or them. Nor is that way that staff have done it before. 

Next time you see ex-staff posting things, don’t get all high and mighty when it doesn’t agree with what you think is right. You can complain about it all you want 

Why would it be any different for a ex-staff member to be posting things or any other normal person? I don't get high and mighty because you're an ex-staff member, all I said was as an ex-staff member you are well aware of the way moderators can get promoted to higher ranks, which is not opinion, it is fact, you know its true because you know how moderators get promoted, I don't see how in anyway what I said makes me seem all high and mighty. It just seems like a silly attempt to get likes because it "feels cool" 

but differing opinions will exist and you need you deal with that

I am well aware that different opinions exist, but facts also do exist, as I pointed out most people don't have a clue into the procedures of someone being promoted, yet they make assumptions and blame staff for those assumptions they made. 

The fact of the matter is, no one really knows what is happening internally with Toxic and I do hope the best for him, all of this is not really a matter for the community to decide, its up for the staff to decide the outcome of his promotions etc. 

[Arch.B]

Exactly what Nevy put, but I'm guessing they wont even give you Veteran regardless of the amount of effort you put in. 

They seem to have a vendetta against you, so fuck them I'd say.

yea go create your own community when you cannot get promoted Zambie knows alot about ripping off other servers.

*Insert Passive Aggressive Similey*

[Zambie ^‿^]

What? My community doesnt use any of CityRPs code if thats what your thinking.

I'm on about someone who has been in the same position for two years. Doesnt mean I'm mentioning anything regarding mine.