[ToiletWater]

Neutral

You can easily compare this to the chef.  Chef is on, vending machines off.  Don't like that, you can fish.

Mechanic is on, repair station is off.  Don't like that, you can use repair kit.

Carbon copy situation.


Since when there is one chef, no automated features exist, it should be the same for any other service provider when they are active.


Inactive players, players not doing job, ect, are rule violations.  The vending machines were never turned on while the chef was in play, even when he wasn't doing his job.


While you love your cars, this isn't a good suggestion, as people will simply use the pump over using the mechanic.


While your arguments are focused on what happens when 1 mechanic ISN'T doing his job, you haven't considered the repercussions of what happens when one mechanic IS doing his job but the driving players are too lazy to take part in his RP, prefering to use the pump.


I'll vote in a bit, but right now it's a -support.  Explain how this fix isn't going to harm normal roleplaying mechanics when there are only one of them.  Because lets be honest, most of you will simply use the pump even if there is a mechanic to avoid paying whatever he's charging / to avoid the delay of dealing with roleplay.

In regards to the 1 mechanic issue, if staff were on the server, they could request to block the shell gas station repair pump.

[bananen_ephihal]

The amount of people that are +supporting this should make you realise that this is a problem. We can't always rely on staff. There are times when staff do their own thing and wont come and help, there are times when none are on. Regarding 3.7a, I doubt they are seducing themselves, they are always roaming round, weather it be being chased by police or walking.

Just because people want it, doesn't mean it's a good idea.

How do you fail to see it's not a good idea? Over 10 people are commenting that it's already a big issue that the staff team can't solve. I agree that the mechanics now have a purpose with their job but it's to much of a problem right now. Just make so that when staff are online then people will have to go to the mechanics, and when staff is not online the gas station is open.

[Jokhah]

@"Boshine"  The argument of "lack of staff" has already been noted.  So without a staff, people could continue to circumvent the mechanic.  All you're doing is reversing who is effected, not actually solving the whole problem.

Turning on the pumps while there is a mechanic voids the mechanic's repair feature.  This is similar to how the vending machine voids the chef.

The purposed suggestions so far will counter the role for the sake of convenience, or even put the problem you are attempting to solve on the back of the mechanic.

I haven't figured out a way to make both happen without taking away from the mechanic.

[Chosen]

[5:38 PM] Person A: Mechanics tend to hide and use the job for their own fun
[5:38 PM] Doctor Internet: Sounds like an moderation problem.
[5:38 PM] Person A: I would rather they can buy the pumps
[5:38 PM] Person B: thats misusing the job slot
[5:38 PM] Person B: why don't you report it
[5:38 PM] Person C: Maybe it’s because they have no real use other than modifying cars :/
[5:39 PM] Person B: nah bruh
[5:39 PM] Person B: they drive around
[5:39 PM] Person C: Yee
[5:39 PM] Person C: And race people
[5:39 PM] Person B: and fix their cars and repair
[5:39 PM] Person C: The rare few do yea
[5:39 PM] Person B: when they crash
[5:39 PM] Person C: But why get it repaired for more than a toolbox?
[5:40 PM] Person B: it'll give mechanics something to do
[5:40 PM] Doctor Internet: ^
[5:40 PM] Person A: It is not that rare
[5:40 PM] Person A: especially on low hours players.(edited)
[5:40 PM] Doctor Internet: Do you make @ calls about it?
[5:41 PM] Person B: Once we reignite the job with ongoing purpose, it's misuse will be a much rare occasion
[5:41 PM] Person A: I don't have a case and usually it doesn't bother me because I have the station
[5:41 PM] Person B: there you go
[5:41 PM] Doctor Internet: ^
[5:41 PM] Person B: no station, people bothered, rule enforced, solved

If the mechanics are not doing their jobs, make an @ call. We can't solve a moderation issue, by not moderating.

^

I know its annoying.
We need a solution when admins aren't on but this is not the right one.

[ToiletWater]

[5:38 PM] Person A: Mechanics tend to hide and use the job for their own fun
[5:38 PM] Doctor Internet: Sounds like an moderation problem.
[5:38 PM] Person A: I would rather they can buy the pumps
[5:38 PM] Person B: thats misusing the job slot
[5:38 PM] Person B: why don't you report it
[5:38 PM] Person C: Maybe it’s because they have no real use other than modifying cars :/
[5:39 PM] Person B: nah bruh
[5:39 PM] Person B: they drive around
[5:39 PM] Person C: Yee
[5:39 PM] Person C: And race people
[5:39 PM] Person B: and fix their cars and repair
[5:39 PM] Person C: The rare few do yea
[5:39 PM] Person B: when they crash
[5:39 PM] Person C: But why get it repaired for more than a toolbox?
[5:40 PM] Person B: it'll give mechanics something to do
[5:40 PM] Doctor Internet: ^
[5:40 PM] Person A: It is not that rare
[5:40 PM] Person A: especially on low hours players.(edited)
[5:40 PM] Doctor Internet: Do you make @ calls about it?
[5:41 PM] Person B: Once we reignite the job with ongoing purpose, it's misuse will be a much rare occasion
[5:41 PM] Person A: I don't have a case and usually it doesn't bother me because I have the station
[5:41 PM] Person B: there you go
[5:41 PM] Doctor Internet: ^
[5:41 PM] Person B: no station, people bothered, rule enforced, solved

If the mechanics are not doing their jobs, make an @ call. We can't solve a moderation issue, by not moderating.

^

I know its annoying.
We need a solution when admins aren't on but this is not the right one.

What makes you think this isnt the one?

[Project]

Neutral

You can easily compare this to the chef.  Chef is on, vending machines off.  Don't like that, you can fish.

Mechanic is on, repair station is off.  Don't like that, you can use repair kit.

Carbon copy situation.
Not so much, one is free as long as you bought the rod off them or beforehand, the other costs 2k to get the car running on its normal speed and 10k to have it running properly again.

imho I think we should have it if there is one mechanic, the car may repair up to 40% and then you need a mechanic for the rest. If there is two, it is far more probable that they are trying to one up each other thus give better service to people so I think being disabled is alright.

The problem arises when the only mechanic is at the other side of the city and you have to drive there because he won't come to you, because after all he doesn't have to as long as he does his job.

+Support for 40% on the repair station with one mechanic and disabling them with two mechanics.

[Soviethooves]

-Support

Moderation issue. Hopefully this promotes better staff activity. If not, it will be another flaw with LL’s team that the public will understand better and hopefully push for a change with this growing issue.

[Chosen]

Neutral

You can easily compare this to the chef.  Chef is on, vending machines off.  Don't like that, you can fish.

Mechanic is on, repair station is off.  Don't like that, you can use repair kit.

Carbon copy situation.
Not so much, one is free as long as you bought the rod off them or beforehand, the other costs 2k to get the car running on its normal speed and 10k to have it running properly again.

imho I think we should have it if there is one mechanic, the car may repair up to 40% and then you need a mechanic for the rest. If there is two, it is far more probable that they are trying to one up each other thus give better service to people so I think being disabled is alright.

The problem arises when the only mechanic is at the other side of the city and you have to drive there because he won't come to you, because after all he doesn't have to as long as he does his job.

+Support for 40% on the repair station with one mechanic and disabling them with two mechanics.

This is a good one @"Boshine"
If you can repair your car 100% from shell station with 1 mechanic then the mechanic is useless by himself.

[Doctor Internet]

Pushing for Staff Review.

#type:[review]

[Vadar]

-Support
Whether there's 1 or 5 mechanics AFK/Non responsive players are a moderation issue not a Gamemode fault/issue. Make an @ call if someone is not doing their team job.

[Doctor Internet]

Approved.

[Doctor Internet]

Changed in Revision 7532.