[Quest]

Bye, Soviet. Hopefully the server will be revamped with this thread in mind.

Doubt it, they'll just read it and ignore it.

[Wesley Lawrence]

It's sad to see you go, Soviet. I do understand some of the pointers you've placed in your thread, as it's been quite the discussed matter recently. I just wish it wouldn't force people to leave and give up on Limelight. Anyways, while we had our disagreements sometimes, you were still a great roleplayer to side along with in-game.

Hope to see you around sometime and good luck with what you will do from here on.

[Jokhah]

Let me start by saying, best of luck and see you in the future.


I'd like to take the time to "respond" to two aspects of what you had to say.



First, The Team Section.

Being honest, the teacher team seems to be off.  I don't want to say inflated egos, but something is wrong with that team.  Recently, the specific wording on "Contributors" had to be altered to clarify that we "are not staff" even though every contributor receives a set of guidelines when they join (I imagine like teachers) that clarifies that we are NOT staff.  The fact that the word "staff" had to be changed to "team" in a description leaves an impression on me from that section.  As we were not specifically told who or why the change happened, you shedding light on it doesn't reflect well on that section in a very small way.  I say small because it doesn't bother me nor the other contributors enough to stop us from working.  Teacher's role (to my understanding) was to monitor the /help channel to answer questions, and give out REP for worthwhile RPs.  Its rare that I see teacher given REP (I'm sure there is a reason beyond public eye),  and sometimes teachers don't respond to help related questions when they have been misplaced into other channels (Example: OOC GM related questions being answered with jokes or incorrectly by teachers.  NOT EVERYONE, but it happens enough that I've noted it.

Short version: Some of the team sections that are not staff are seemingly power hungry and like to impose their opinions into other sections where they aren't always needed.  While opinions are generally welcome, I wouldn't understand a contributor weighing in on teacher team structure related inquiries, but yet it seems to be happening in reverse.



LL's Direction:

The whole "game biased against criminals" is a farce.  Criminals can raid for nearly any reason, including "I wanted to steal stuff" without actually knowing that there is anything to steal.  The reasoning from staff on this is "he's a thief, thieves steal, not fail rp" even though no casing or other rp related background building has taken place.  All that was required was a job title, an owned door, and a flimsy excuse.

When a criminal breaks fear rp by running from a tazer, often its considered a "in character" issue and people have been let off in the courthouse for such violations.   This leaves confusion on is fear rp an enforced rule by text, or just when people feel like it.

Furthermore, criminals now can set job to things like "Dildo Family", without establishing a group thread, a roleplay thread, a clan thread, and yet they are performing criminal activity saying "we're criminals."  This is a complete failure to roleplay.  It states clearly that your roleplay needs a background.  While people take this out of context and apply it to general jobs like "thug", it actually is intended for groups like "families."  How is anyone supposed to know that "Dildo Family" is a criminal organization.  Family doesn't inherently mean mafia or cartel.  Yet these groups are all freely getting away with mugs, hostaging, murder, raids, and more.


While the police have received a good number of content updates, many of those updates were pushed by the now criminal players.  Many of the updates they have received are for functionality, like tazers, shields, spike strips, car variations, uniforms, and a fucktarded amount of sirens and lights.  While I can understand people want to complain that they aren't getting things, I haven't seen many suggestions for things they need that don't lead to even more death and destruction.

The fact that the passive jobs have sat idle, some since this community formed, yet people are still bitching about their cops and robbers updates that they begged for, really makes me fucking sick.  Cops, Crims, cops, crims, balance, cops, crims.  Where in the fuck is the Chaffeur, Black Market, Chef, Secretary, Doctor....  All of which are basically marketplace tabs or / commands that are rarely needed....

I dunno what direction you want for the server, but one thing is for sure, it needs to stop trying to please every aggressive "roleplayer" that joins, because even when they get the content they want they just bitch about it.  Much like how the guy who suggested the weed update, later came around here complaining about how "it ruined the server."  Let that sink in.


Short version: The rules are not more heavily applied to one team, nor is the deck stacked.  Where the police can get discounted equipment, they don't get to keep it, they are easy to out-man, and generally less organized than a group should be.

I'm not saying go full rule crazy and ban hammer people.  I am saying that a lot of people here are less interested in the roleplay and more interested in the action.  If you can't be bothered to write 1-3 sentences in a post saying "Dildo Family is a criminal group.  We farm contra.  We hate police" then are you really here to roleplay or just here to play call of gmod?

Seriously.  Pre-established background isn't a whole book.  Its just so that other players have an idea of what your group type is so they don't have to use @ calling rdm from a citizen family that is breaking every law listed.



This is not directed at anyone specifically, but seriously the social groups need to stop inflating one another and deflating everyone else.  Or at least stop complaining about the direction after they got their way.

[The Original bob]

[font=Arial][b]Bambo - [/font][font=Arial]You were cool at first. Once you got to Admin, you changed for the worst. You became irritating, acting like you always knew best, even in situations where you KNEW you were wrong. Your organization and leadership skills need work and I don’t believe you should hold the rank of Admin when you can barely keep the Media Team running correctly. Prove me wrong for the better. You got this far, now actually commit to being better.[/font]

[font=Arial]PaulB -[/font] [font=Arial]Most likely the laziest developer and worst RP’er I’ve seen gain a rank higher than Member. 1st, you release half-assed updates and when they need fixing, someone else has to cleanup your mess. 2nd, your RP skills are actual garbage. I mean, the green dumpster by Inner Shell has more RP value than you. Apply yourself when you’re on a RP server instead of sitting in a tower collecting contraband. And actually give a shit for your dev shit. Stop half-assing your job.[/font][/b]

Hmmm... 
You are trash talking the majority of the staff team but have you ever thought about your own actions...? My experience with you on Limelight hasn't been that great either.

Also what you said about PaulB... If you are going to complain about others work, then you can sit your a** down and fix it yourself.

You are saying a lot that people should get demoted, but I know someone that actually got demoted.

Also, don't talk shit about Bambo or ill tell him to make kebab of you.

[Doctor Internet]

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Also what you said about PaulB... He is a voluntary developer and he is not required to work for Limelight and no one should be able to force him into free work. If you are going to complain about others work, then you can sit your a** down and fix it yourself.

Developers are paid.

[Taylor]

Bambo - You were cool at first. Once you got to Admin, you changed for the worst. You became irritating, acting like you always knew best, even in situations where you KNEW you were wrong. Your organization and leadership skills need work and I don’t believe you should hold the rank of Admin when you can barely keep the Media Team running correctly. Prove me wrong for the better. You got this far, now actually commit to being better.


[font=Arial][b]PaulB -[/font] [font=Arial]Most likely the laziest developer and worst RP’er I’ve seen gain a rank higher than Member. 1st, you release half-assed updates and when they need fixing, someone else has to cleanup your mess. 2nd, your RP skills are actual garbage. I mean, the green dumpster by Inner Shell has more RP value than you. Apply yourself when you’re on a RP server instead of sitting in a tower collecting contraband. And actually give a shit for your dev shit. Stop half-assing your job.[/font][/b]

Also what you said about PaulB... He is a voluntary developer and he is not required to work for Limelight and no one should be able to force him into free work.

PaulB is a developer, therefore he gets paid. It is not free work by a long shot

[Nev]

I dunno what direction you want for the server, but one thing is for sure, it needs to stop trying to please every aggressive "roleplayer" that joins, because even when they get the content they want they just bitch about it.  Much like how the guy who suggested the weed update, later came around here complaining about how "it ruined the server."  Let that sink in.

@Jokhah 

Love the passive-aggressive comments directed at me, however, you'd be better off not opening up your mouth to throw out something that clearly lacks any understanding of why I was against the way the update was implemented and why I believe it only added to the # of content updates that lacked depth and balance.

For starters, navigate to the suggestion thread <https://limelightgaming.net/forums/thread-15678.html> and make sure to read through the entire suggestion so that you can understand that 50% of my suggestion was added however the main, and most important parts, were left out because either A) they didn't see it being needed or B) they didn't know how to implement a certain part of it. 

These two key parts of the suggestion included:

1) Changing the way your character receives the weed after harvest and so that they would not go directly into your inventory but instead go into some form of pocket or quick-inventory. Alternatively, this could've been done by simply making it so this is an item that could be discovered even in the inventory - and this would make it so you wouldn't have to create a new type of character inventory. The reason for this was to create balance and to lengthen the process of making money off and increasing the risks considering the packets of marijuana would be at risk of being lost/stolen/confiscated if you died, were robbed or if you ended up being arrested. 

2) Creating a different process for selling the marijuana itself and instead of having it something that is done with a static NPC - create a way to instead have it something that is sold to your Black Market Dealers to give this role more purpose but also to open up the doors to some unique role-plays. What if your BMD had a previous conviction and was under the supervision of a drug task force to flush out some of the repeat customers so that they could build a list of who might be running a grow operation. You could make this so that the BMD is the one to sell the weed using some form of entity that they can spawn, similar to the PoliceDB computer, but would operate more as a connection to the online black-market (Silk Road 2.0). They'd access it and choose how much to sell and then there would be a delay of 'X' amount of minutes before it then is taken out of their inventory. 

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Don't come and make assumptions that I somehow was against my own update. Let's see you post a suggestion that's detailed and have it stripped down to its most minimal form and not argue against that. It's not my update anymore. It now resembles a DarkRP Weed Script that you can purchase.

Contraband Update

Additionally - go ahead and look at my Approved Suggestion <https://limelightgaming.net/forums/thread-9537.html> which is surrounding Revamping Contraband

Approved two years ago and today all we have is the model of it being changed and changes in print speed and print amount.  IMO, this is the direction LL needs to be going in but instead we get the bare bones and dumbed down versions of things. If we're going to be content oriented we need to at least push out content that has substance to it and think out and develop a process to having it that goes beyond F1 - Marketplace - Contraband - Purchase

Criminal means of earning money should be made more complex, even if this includes things that have a higher learning curve, and we should push out content that benefits PassiveRP roles and groups. I've gone and proposed quite a few things which hopefully someday are able to be developed and released as we need something to bring role-play back into this GM. Something to make it more desirable.

Small Business Update <https://limelightgaming.net/forums/thread-16858.html> [Approved]
Urban Housing Development <https://limelightgaming.net/forums/thread-16863.html> [Approved]
Brinks Security Guard Uniform <https://limelightgaming.net/forums/thread-16820.html [Finished]
EvoMobile <https://limelightgaming.net/forums/thread-11933.html> [Finished - Incomplete]
Skill System <https://limelightgaming.net/forums/thread-9779.html> [Approved]
Storage Container Update <https://limelightgaming.net/forums/thread-9708.html> [Finished - Incomplete]

[Toxic]

I feel as though there is a degree of truth to what you've said here.

Take it easy Soviet.

[Taylor]

I feel as though there is a degree of truth to what you've said here.

Take it easy Soviet.

"Someone gave a vague mention of promoting me?" -> "Me likey"

<3

[Tails]

If you are going to complain about others work, sit yourself down and fix it yourself

okay so we're not allowed to complain about anything unless we can do it better

that sure makes sense

[Soviethooves]

If you are going to complain about others work, sit yourself down and fix it yourself

okay so we're not allowed to complain about anything unless we can do it better

that sure makes sense

Exactly. That whole argument is actually quite amusing. “Go do it yourself if it’s shit!” “If I had the skills I would, but just because I’m not a dev doesn’t mean I can’t criticize the man for not finishing his own content”.

[Jokhah]

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Was just an example.  I left your name out for a reason.  If you feel attacked, I guess I apologize, but the fact remains that pushing for updates without thinking about the repercussions is a terrible for progress.  Don't make this about me and please, stop replying to things I say when they aren't directed at you.  You were not the point.  What happened was.

Also, I don't bother making suggestions.  Too busy trying to make the approved ones come to life.

To the OP, I've attempted to make contact with you in private about aspects of things you said in hopes of finding a resolution if there is potential for one.  I feel that teachers should have access to whatever they need to perform their listed tasks and am always willing to push for changes that benefit the entire server.  Change can happen, just have to push it the right way.  Hit me back in the DM.

I don't want to offend anyone else by leaving their name off in an attempt to avoid bringing attention to them.

[Lewwings]

Quite the goodbye thread Gungranny. Nice insight into your opinions on the staff, direction of Limelight and other stuff.

Truly remarkable. Now I know what everyone does, or lack thereof apparently.

Good luck with what you do next, you've been around here for ages now.

[goigle]

If you feel attacked, I guess I apologize, but the fact remains that pushing for updates without thinking about the repercussions is a terrible for progress.  Don't make this about me and please, stop replying to things I say when they aren't directed at you.  You were not the point.  What happened was.

He did bring up a valid point in that it's not only the community's suggestions that are the issue, it's also the implementation of content updates.

I think LL would benefit a lot by circling back and polishing existing content before working on approved suggestions


Anyway, OT, Good bye soviet

[Zeyon]

You made alot of good points, sad to see you leave.
Also I hope we're on good terms, since we didn't leave with the best ones when the USHS clan was a thing.


Best of luck!