[Doctor Internet]

-Support , a gang could have a fancy base , he could Rp that he stole it from someone rich , doesnt matter , people are free to do everything they want and thats the way we should stay , not to mention its almost impossible to have a propierty without walls

If a gang stole a base from someone rich, that's a slew of crimes right there, which would lead to a SWAT callout and Police attention (at the very least). If we're going to RP it that way, having a fancy base as a poor gang becomes a raid reason.

[Nebula]

i gotta say, these points are pretty overwhelming.

Ruins RP

Yeeeeeeeah

Because nobody knows that there is a contrabase behind that and they just wait for a raid..

"RP"

[Kridas]

+ Support
I would appreciate some mild restrictions on this matter. No more lone thugs basing in Combine Citadel.

[Quest]

Neutral
It would be hard for new players with 30 props to build a base that is being described here

[Project]

+Support for some mild restrictions

[Jen]

Neutral
It would be hard for new players with 30 props to build a base that is being described here

The one in the screenshot can be done in around 4 props...

[Quest]

Neutral
It would be hard for new players with 30 props to build a base that is being described here

The one in the screenshot can be done in around 4 props...

It really can't

[The Rock]

-Support , a gang could have a fancy base , he could Rp that he stole it from someone rich , doesnt matter , people are free to do everything they want and thats the way we should stay , not to mention its almost impossible to have a propierty without walls

If a gang stole a base from someone rich, that's a slew of crimes right there, which would lead to a SWAT callout and Police attention (at the very least). If we're going to RP it that way, having a fancy base as a poor gang becomes a raid reason.

Lets say , the guy is rich and own an amazing properity , he is rich due to is background activities , a gang stole his properity , im sure he will never go to police ask for help or anything like that , instead he would revenge , the only thing i can agree is , the materials , they should be realistic , the rest people are free to do fancy bases , being gang doesnt mean u are poor

[Soviethooves]

Neutral
It would be hard for new players with 30 props to build a base that is being described here

I’m not asking for fancy details, I’m asking for mostly fortifications to look realistic to the RP. So, for a gang based in residential, they would have a stone wall fit for the house, or in industrial they would have fences with cameras. The interior has to fit their Background RP either way due to our rules.

[Taylor]

-Support , a gang could have a fancy base , he could Rp that he stole it from someone rich , doesnt matter , people are free to do everything they want and thats the way we should stay , not to mention its almost impossible to have a propierty without walls

Do you mean external walls or walls in General?

[The Rock]

-Support , a gang could have a fancy base , he could Rp that he stole it from someone rich , doesnt matter , people are free to do everything they want and thats the way we should stay , not to mention its almost impossible to have a propierty without walls

Do you mean external walls or walls in General?

Walls in general , u can see if u own a house and u have a car without alls around it , everyone even police will go to your house looking to the windows or just seek inside or they just get closed to the house and stay there , waiting for the smallest reason for raid , and when they see walls (lets raid it) witch its little stupid , when im a sergeant of police (its rare) i never let my cops go around and bored people because the walls , however i think walls of 2 meters or 2phx should never be classified as high walls , as for myself sometimes i only feel safe behind wall

[Taylor]

-Support , a gang could have a fancy base , he could Rp that he stole it from someone rich , doesnt matter , people are free to do everything they want and thats the way we should stay , not to mention its almost impossible to have a propierty without walls

Do you mean external walls or walls in General?

Walls in general , u can see if u own a house and u have a car without alls around it , everyone even police will go to your house looking to the windows or just seek inside or they just get closed to the house and stay there , waiting for the smallest reason for raid , and when they see walls (lets raid it) witch its little stupid , when im a sergeant of police (its rare) i never let my cops go around and bored people because the walls , however i think walls of 2 meters or 2phx should never be classified as high walls , as for myself sometimes i only feel safe behind wall

That's why you put your illegal shit in a room with no windows and you have no walls then they have no reason to raid you

[The Rock]

-Support , a gang could have a fancy base , he could Rp that he stole it from someone rich , doesnt matter , people are free to do everything they want and thats the way we should stay , not to mention its almost impossible to have a propierty without walls

Do you mean external walls or walls in General?

Walls in general , u can see if u own a house and u have a car without alls around it , everyone even police will go to your house looking to the windows or just seek inside or they just get closed to the house and stay there , waiting for the smallest reason for raid , and when they see walls (lets raid it) witch its little stupid , when im a sergeant of police (its rare) i never let my cops go around and bored people because the walls , however i think walls of 2 meters or 2phx should never be classified as high walls , as for myself sometimes i only feel safe behind wall

That's why you put your illegal shit in a room with no windows and you have no walls then they have no reason to raid you

Most of times i do have walls without doing anything illegal , if its my propierty then i can whatever i want inside of it

[Jokhah]

Heavy -Support.

The current rules are tailored in such a fashion that job title = rp reason to do whatever you want.
Knowing someone's job title without being told = meta.
Criminal does not require any actual reason to raid other than "lel I'm a criminal", that is to say that the criminal requires no restriction on raiding an owned door simply because it's owned.

At this point, forcing more RP restrictions on the door owner, forcing him to make his RP look a special way that is completely opinion driven, is bullshit. Base owners already have to make the bases pretty fucking easy to raid. Restrictions like "No doomforts, no firing ports, 2x2 phx access into new room areas.

Why further restrict the defenders when the attackers are basically without restriction?

[Jokhah]

@"Faustin"

Sad to say but from my limited experience, your claim about RP reason is 100% false. As staff and players alike have explained to me, NO RP REASON REQUIRED TO RAID, except job title. They don't have to scout you, they don't have to know anything is inside, and the RP Reasoning rule does not apply to them. The exact response was "He is a criminal job, that's all the reason he needs." and "Its been this way since day one, if you don't like it then you can leave." Which let me tell you, is terrible for the health and welfare of this community. It isolates players and the community just pushes them to leave because they don't like that person, because they said something that the community doesn't agree with. Toxic as hell, but that is the way it is. Don't believe me, just look at anything I've said anywhere involving this community. Generally you'll find that people are quick to tell me to shut up, but fall short on actually having a solution to anything. They'd rather not hear you complain about it, then to confront the issue.