[goigle]

[Limelight Gaming]

Thank you for your player-report, goigle.

It will take a while for it to be reviewed by our staff-members.
Meanwhile, the accused player and witnesses may reply to this report.

[Night]

I can confirm that Goigle, Wesley & Sourlemon (along with PilotC and Dan) were brought into a sit regarding a report which was filed in-game about a sit where Wesley and Pilot were fired upon whilst unarmed. I timed out due to an ongoing networking issue which I informed Wesley, PilotC and Sourlemon of around 5 minutes before, and I asked Bambo to take lead on the situation after briefing him.

Hopefully that provides a little context.

[Wesley Lawrence]

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[Wesley Lawrence]

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[Wesley Lawrence]

There's nothing to assume. There were maybe 12 players are on the server. 6 were cops, 3 were my group, and 2 were staff (one crashed). No one had a criminal job except for street racer. We were literally basically the only criminals.

And then again, I was focussing on the administrator sit and not on how many exact criminals were on. Assumptions are made by both the accusing party and the accused party. It is not my fault that I assumed they went after someone that could have hid inside your compound. I also cannot see whether or not the doors are open and/or if they have been closed again. Nor can I see if you gave anyone else permission to be able to operate keypads, etc. There are all kinds of scenarios on this one and you're purposely picking the worse (including the assumption that I did this because I was ''frustrated for being killed'') to show me in a bad light.

We've played much more than 2 or 3 times. It's not about memorizing my name either, you could at least take a half second to check the 12 player scoreboard and see if it's anyone involved in the sit or ask the mod in charge of the sit.

''Also, in case Wesley says he didn't know, I have had the same roleplay name since the server started and he has RPed with me before.'' sounds to me like you expected me to memorize your name and purposely made the mistake of handing them approval for a search warrant on you. I play with numerous of players on a nearly daily basis. You cannot expect me to have any bells ringing when a name pops up from a player that I haven't seen around here for multiple months. I still stick to my claim that I figured they were going after someone else and the other suspect had gone onto your property but didn't feel the need to completely figure that out as we were dealing with an on-going administrator sit. Plus, quickly going through the 12 player scoreboard wouldn't have made any difference as I cannot see who's doing criminal roleplay and who's not. We were only 5 players from a total of about 12 players. The possibility is there.

Well, you knew it wasn't Dan because he was arrested and in an orange jumpsuit. You also knew it wasn't me because I stated multiple times I died at the beginning. Again, someone being chased is unlikely for the reason I brought up before. That said, another thing you could have done since you knew it was my property: asked what the situation was. It's MTL, nothing is going to be so urgent you have to insta-accept a search warrant for "suspect on property." They can set up a blockade at the one and only entrance. If it was "hostage situation" or something urgent I could understand, but suspect on property is not a huge deal.

It's for me to decide whether or not I find something necessary enough to accept or not. I figured they were in an on-going pursuit with a suspect that had gone onto your property. And before giving said suspect the chance to do or hide whatever or where ever on your property, I decided to warrant so the responding cops were able to figure the rest out for themselves.

I don't know what you mean by assets but Dan and Sour's contra was in fact destroyed

And through logged radio conversations you will find me specifically saying that it is NOT to be destroyed in regards to an administrator sit. What they did on your property further is out of my reach. I did my part saying that we were in a sit and that they were not to touch anything further (except from taking photos as proof).

Again, I think this has been more of a misunderstanding on both side of the parties than a purposely placed warrant because ''I was frustrated I got killed''. Something I have never done before, nor in my opinion, done now because it violates multiple rules. Something I don't intend on doing.

[goigle]

And then again, I was focussing on the administrator sit and not on how many exact criminals were on. Assumptions are made by both the accusing party and the accused party. It is not my fault that I assumed they went after someone that could have hid inside your compound. I also cannot see whether or not the doors are open and/or if they have been closed again. Nor can I see if you gave anyone else permission to be able to operate keypads, etc. There are all kinds of scenarios on this one and you're purposely picking the worse (including the assumption that I did this because I was ''frustrated for being killed'') to show me in a bad light.

What? How is it not your fault that you assumed?

As for painting you in a bad light, this is what I said:

I don't know if this is a specific rule but this feels like a rule break done because he was frustrated that he was killed and I would like some staff opinions on this

All I said is what it felt like based on your reaction when I pointed out I was the one you warranted (which seemed like "woops, didn't know, sucks, sorry" in game at the time based on your tone of voice)

''Also, in case Wesley says he didn't know, I have had the same roleplay name since the server started and he has RPed with me before.'' sounds to me like you expected me to memorize your name and purposely made the mistake of handing them approval for a search warrant on you. I play with numerous of players on a nearly daily basis. You cannot expect me to have any bells ringing when a name pops up from a player that I haven't seen around here for multiple months. I still stick to my claim that I figured they were going after someone else and the other suspect had gone onto your property but didn't feel the need to completely figure that out as we were dealing with an on-going administrator sit. Plus, quickly going through the 12 player scoreboard wouldn't have made any difference as I cannot see who's doing criminal roleplay and who's not. We were only 5 players from a total of about 12 players. The possibility is there.

I'm not expecting you to memorize my name, but my point is at a very minimum you are familiar with it. That said, it seems you're contradicting yourself. You are saying you did not know it was me and then you are saying you thought someone was hiding on my property. I could be misunderstanding you so please clarify.

It's for me to decide whether or not I find something necessary enough to accept or not. I figured they were in an on-going pursuit with a suspect that had gone onto your property. And before giving said suspect the chance to do or hide whatever or where ever on your property, I decided to warrant so the responding cops were able to figure the rest out for themselves.

MTL isn't that big. A cop needing to write a warrant is long enough for someone to sprint to the other side. That's a weak argument, especially considering if they are hiding in there it's not like they're going anywhere fast.

And through logged radio conversations you will find me specifically saying that it is NOT to be destroyed in regards to an administrator sit. What they did on your property further is out of my reach. I did my part saying that we were in a sit and that they were not to touch anything further (except from taking photos as proof).

You are acknowledging that the property had an ongoing administrator sit (and that you must have known that, hence you telling them not touch anything) and letting people in could interfere with that in some way. Why would you let people in? This makes absolutely no sense to  me.

Did you do it through text radio chat? If you did, I did not see you typing so I must have missed it.

Edit: I know what you are talking about, ignore striked out line. I still firmly think you should have told them to hold off. Based on your side of the radio chatter it doesn't sound remotely urgent.

For anyone curious:

[PilotC]

Most likely this will be lost somewhere in this novel over a bit of contraband and some misunderstandings but I will give my side of the story since I was mentioned twice. I will try to keep it unbiased and straight to the point as best that I can.

Wesley and I were originally dispatched for a citizen spotting drugs on the property (MTL) and we both attached ourselves to said call. Whether the situation had played out with or without the shooting of LEO's it most likely would have resulted in a search meaning the contraband would have most likely been found. 

While I definitely agree that warrants should be verified before clearance is given, I am just as guilty as Wesley is to not always reading a warrant since most players can act fairly autonomously without supervisory intervention and typically need warrants filed fairly quickly. While I can't confirm it I do strongly believe Wesley did reply to PD stating NOT to damage any contraband found on location. As Wesley stated prior, the actions of the LEOs are out of his control after he has given them that information and they can do as they please. Regarding the number of criminal players on the server there were more than just the three of them so it was possible the other players could have had a warrant placed and Wesley or someone just quickly skim through them.

Truthfully I don't see the point in this argument or report being the situation has already been addressed both by Nightmare and Bambo and it's public records of what Wesley said over chat regarding the warrant and situation. At this point it seems more like an attempt to milk the situation for all it's worth, but that is only my opinion. If there is any other information I may be able to provide as I as part of the 911 Call, Roleplay Event, and admin sit I will be more than happy to discuss it.

[goigle]

Most likely this will be lost somewhere in this novel over a bit of contraband and some misunderstandings but I will give my side of the story since I was mentioned twice. I will try to keep it unbiased and straight to the point as best that I can.

Wesley and I were originally dispatched for a citizen spotting drugs on the property (MTL) and we both attached ourselves to said call. Whether the situation had played out with or without the shooting of LEO's it most likely would have resulted in a search meaning the contraband would have most likely been found. 

I agree with this, but the key here is with or without shooting: Sour should have at least had a chance to do something at the base instead of being stuck in an admin sit.

While I definitely agree that warrants should be verified before clearance is given, I am just as guilty as Wesley is to not always reading a warrant since most players can act fairly autonomously without supervisory intervention and typically need warrants filed fairly quickly.

I can understand that in a normal situation, but we were in an admin sit. Additionally, Wesley himself said he "figured they were going after someone else and the other suspect had gone onto [my] property" so it's not like he did not know what was going on.

Truthfully I don't see the point in this argument or report being the situation has already been addressed both by Nightmare and Bambo and it's public records of what Wesley said over chat regarding the warrant and situation. At this point it seems more like an attempt to milk the situation for all it's worth, but that is only my opinion. If there is any other information I may be able to provide as I as part of the 911 Call, Roleplay Event, and admin sit I will be more than happy to discuss it.

I am not trying to milk anything and it's not like I was banned or blacklisted and am mad. In fact, the admin sit had little to do with me (sour did the killing) and my contraband was not destroyed. I'm going to reiterate what I said in my first post:

I don't know if this is a specific rule but this feels like a rule break and I would like some staff opinions on this

[Overlewd]

Player report concluded.

Please keep in mind that while there is an on-going @ sit during a raid or as a raid is about to start which involves some or all of the raid participants, the raid should be put on-hold until the sit is concluded. Ideally the warrant would not be issued and the SWAT would not breach until the sit was concluded. Take this as a verbal warning of sorts.

Since the involved players and the reported player were not specifically told this during the @ sit, and this stance is not specifically written in the server rules, no punishments will be issued.