[Hungames]

I think this whole conversation is great.  Just a bunch of opinions.  Nothing actually solid to go on.  Homosexuality is found in nature, gender transformation is found in nature.  Just because you feel some sort of way about it, doesn't mean you are more right then nature.  Make all the excuses you want.  It happens in nature.  If you are on the religious end of the argument, your god made all of those creatures.

Transgenderism is found in nature when it provides an advantage to the animal, not because they feel they are something different than what they are. Animals aren't advanced enough to do this with a conscious thought in mind. They are doing it simply to survive. Acting like the opposite gender aids in natural selection so it continues to happen.

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It was bad to be black, it was bad to be gay, now its bad to change your gender.  Man, lots of other people like to make opinions of what is right and wrong as it suits them.  What are you gonna do when being who YOU are is considered bad?  I hope you meet all the bullshit you threw up at all the others, when that time comes.

Being against transgenderism is not discriminatory. Being against someone on the basis of race or nationality is discriminatory, but being against a concept that goes against basic biology is just pragmatic. It is a fact that there are two genders, as determined by chromosomes. Yes, there are some people who have extra x or y chromosomes, but those are classified as syndromes. 

[Toxic]

Free country innit

[Lord Octagon]

Using the fact that some animals have homosexual relations as an attempt to justify such relations in humans is not appropriate. Animals also practice incest, rape, murder, theft, physical abuse, and even cannibalism. Does this make all these things 'natural' and therefore acceptable for us as humans? 

reductio ad absurdum

There is no basis for applying animal behaviour to humans, we do not consider rape, murder, incest, theft, physical abuse, and cannibalism to be acceptable. Ironically, this in itself is further confirmation that we are really made in the image and likeness of God, not animals.


We are capable of understanding that these acts are wrong, animals cannot. You also like to quote the Bible, so here's one for you. The law of God has been written on our hearts.

Romans 2:15
They show that what the law requires is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness and their conflicting thoughts accuse or perhaps excuse them

Although animals may be able to express some emotions, use simple tools, solve problems, speak a few words, and even mourn for their dead, they do not match the intellectual, technological and spiritual capacity of humans. 

You don't see animals placing humans in zoos.
You don't see animals training humans to perform physical labour.
You don't see animals constructing civilisations.
You don't see animals obeying moral laws.
You don't see animals building churches to hear the teachings of the Gospel.

[Eddie]

[Lord Octagon]

Don't cherrypick. I clearly stated "we do not consider rape, murder, incest, theft, physical abuse, and cannibalism to be acceptable. " I didn't say those things do not exist.

Regarding animals and their intelligence I also said this:

"they do not match the intellectual, technological and spiritual capacity of humans. 

You don't see animals placing humans in zoos.
You don't see animals training humans to perform physical labour.
You don't see animals constructing civilisations.
You don't see animals obeying moral laws."

[Preditor]

I think this whole conversation is great.  Just a bunch of opinions.  Nothing actually solid to go on.  Homosexuality is found in nature, gender transformation is found in nature.  Just because you feel some sort of way about it, doesn't mean you are more right then nature.  Make all the excuses you want.  It happens in nature.  If you are on the religious end of the argument, your god made all of those creatures.

It was bad to be black, it was bad to be gay, now its bad to change your gender.  Man, lots of other people like to make opinions of what is right and wrong as it suits them.  What are you gonna do when being who YOU are is considered bad?  I hope you meet all the bullshit you threw up at all the others, when that time comes.

I still remember when people raged out against science too, but look who won that argument.


*drops mic*

P.S. If you are Christian and engaging in the argument, you forgot something.....

Matt.7. [1] Judge not, that ye be not judged. [2] For with what judgment ye judge, yeshall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. [3] And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

I mean I never brought religion into anything that I said, I used the fact that men have the Y chromosome and women do not. This isn't an opinion this is factual data, and as I said again I'm not discriminating when I said transgenderism should be a mental disorder, I don't make fun of people with depression or anxiety issues and society generally doesn't either.

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[Dan]

There is nothing wrong with incest!!

[Hungames]

There is nothing wrong with incest!!

good ol texas yeehaw

[Jokhah]

[Lord Octagon]

I see you can't read, or are just blatantly ignorant. 

Using the fact that some animals have homosexual relations as an attempt to justify such relations in humans is not appropriate. Animals also practice incest, rape, murder, theft, physical abuse, and even cannibalism. Does this make all these things 'natural' and therefore acceptable for us as humans? 

reductio ad absurdum

Animals do not understand that incest is bad, they do not understand murder is bad. So why would they understand that homosexuality is bad? They do not have the ability to comprehend those actions, so you cannot simply say it is natural to have homosexual tendencies, when it is obviously not natural to have murderous ones.

I am simply saying that the argument that "BECAUSE ANIMALS DO IT, IT IS OK FOR US TO AS WELL" is a weak one.

[Jokhah]

[Lord Octagon]

You still don't get it. Let me quote something else I've said.

"they do not match the intellectual, technological and spiritual capacity of humans. 

You don't see animals placing humans in zoos.
You don't see animals training humans to perform physical labour.
You don't see animals constructing civilisations.
You don't see animals obeying moral laws."

And don't come out with some BS and say "ZOMG YOU CAN'T COMPARE SEXUALITY WITH CONSTRUCTING CIVILISATIONS".

All I've done is make the case that animals do not have the capabilities to understand the concept of a homosexual relationship, and therefore it is a weak argument to say that because some animals have homosexual relations therefore it is biological dogma.

[Jokhah]

[Eddie]

[Lord Octagon]

Where did I say ONLY humans have homosexual 'thoughts'? I pretty clearly agreed that there are cases where animals have engaged in homosexual activity.

I didn't compare transgender people to murderers or thieves. Read again.

Don't try to spin my words and pull claims out of thin air.