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Poll: Should 'Corrupt' have to be in your job title?
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Sep 26, 2017, 04:40 PM
All having it in your job title does it cause everyone to metagame. It doesn't add anything to roleplay for you to have it in your job title as people cannot read your job title anyways. In real life, if a cop is taking bribes or doing other shady dealings, he doesn't go to his boss and ask him to add corrupt to his official job title.
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Sep 26, 2017, 04:46 PM
Again i have to note to:

Only the police seem to have this kind of "requirement", if im working private security or a government hire or any other job really thats not a cop slot i dont have to list corrupt in any shapre or form, so why do the police? It does nothing but encourage unprovable metagaming and restrict peoples RP abilities.
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Sep 26, 2017, 04:56 PM
(Sep 26, 2017, 04:46 PM)BlackDog Wrote: Again i have to note to:

Only the police seem to have this kind of "requirement", if im working private security or a government hire or any other job really thats not a cop slot i dont have to list corrupt in any shapre or form, so why do the police? It does nothing but encourage unprovable metagaming and restrict peoples RP abilities.

yeh blackdog abuses peepl all the time hes doesnt have to make his /job Corrupt FUMUKU so y'all know whats good, you can figure it out yourself if you really want to know without metagaming Wink
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Sep 26, 2017, 05:17 PM
Yes; it's literally like a citizen mugging people with out a correct job title
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Sep 26, 2017, 05:20 PM
(Sep 26, 2017, 05:17 PM)Quest Wrote: Yes; it's literally like a citizen mugging people with out a correct job title

Its in no way similar?

If a chef wants to supply information to a crime family, do they need the job "Corrupt?

If security officer Jim sells the front code to criminals, did he need "Corrupt?"

If police officer bob lets the don go from a speeding infraction, does he need "Corrupt?"

The answer is no, why would they?
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Sep 26, 2017, 05:21 PM
(Sep 26, 2017, 05:20 PM)BlackDog Wrote:
(Sep 26, 2017, 05:17 PM)Quest Wrote: Yes; it's literally like a citizen mugging people with out a correct job title

Its in no way similar?

If a chef wants to supply information to a crime family, do they need the job "Corrupt?

If security officer Jim sells the front code to criminals, did he need "Corrupt?"

If police officer bob lets the don go from a speeding infraction, does he need "Corrupt?"

The answer is no, why would they?

Then how does this make it any different to a citizen doing "Corrupt" things with out a "Corrupt job title"?
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Sep 26, 2017, 05:23 PM
Im not entirely sure what youve said?
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Sep 26, 2017, 05:24 PM
(Sep 26, 2017, 05:21 PM)Quest Wrote:
(Sep 26, 2017, 05:20 PM)BlackDog Wrote:
(Sep 26, 2017, 05:17 PM)Quest Wrote: Yes; it's literally like a citizen mugging people with out a correct job title

Its in no way similar?

If a chef wants to supply information to a crime family, do they need the job "Corrupt?

If security officer Jim sells the front code to criminals, did he need "Corrupt?"

If police officer bob lets the don go from a speeding infraction, does he need "Corrupt?"

The answer is no, why would they?

Then how does this make it any different to a citizen doing "Corrupt" things with out a "Corrupt job title"?

If a criminal lets a cop arrest their fellow criminals do they have to be a corrupt criminal?
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Sep 26, 2017, 05:48 PM
(Sep 26, 2017, 05:20 PM)BlackDog Wrote:
(Sep 26, 2017, 05:17 PM)Quest Wrote: Yes; it's literally like a citizen mugging people with out a correct job title

Its in no way similar?

If a chef wants to supply information to a crime family, do they need the job "Corrupt?

If security officer Jim sells the front code to criminals, did he need "Corrupt?"

If police officer bob lets the don go from a speeding infraction, does he need "Corrupt?"

The answer is no, why would they?

Jim, Bob and a chef 
Sounds like a right ol' corrupt-fest
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Sep 26, 2017, 06:36 PM
"Blackdog doesnt have to have his title corrupt administrator even though that is clear to see, so why should anyone on the server?"
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Sep 26, 2017, 07:59 PM
No. You're a cop. You intend to RP as a Cop. The style at which you want to Rp that job is up to you. I don't put "Forgiving Mugger" when I plan on being forgiving as a mugger. 

And if we are on the fence about this, why are we allowing players to use every other word for Criminal, but not criminal? What's the difference from someone putting Thug and not Criminal? What is so wrong with putting Criminal as long as you are just doing general crime with no gang or group members? Why do I have to put Thug, or Mugger, or Thief. I've even seen players simply put Rich Criminal and get away with that.
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Sep 26, 2017, 09:32 PM
especially when there is a dictator and a few cops are working with the resistance to "accidentally open all the doors at the wrong time", having corrupt in the job title just results in metagaming. It has happened sooo many times with me. dictator --> I put corrupt in title and become a double agent --> executed and demoted.

(also could we get an SA to comment on this)
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#29
Sep 27, 2017, 12:31 AM
Personally don't think it should be necessary. Last time I was asked I said don't really need to unless it defines your character - so if you were a regular cop who'd take bribes sometimes, it's not really defining. But if you actively helped criminals/organized crime, or other extreme forms of corruption, that might be character-defining.

This is really something we should discuss within the staff team however and come up with a consensus that we could then confidently and officially tell you about.
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Sep 27, 2017, 12:57 AM
I think Quest does raise a good point though because in truth when you look at it the two situations are very similar.

>Cop sets job title to 'corrupt cop' and people react to him based on his job title.
>Citizen sets job title to 'criminal' and people react to him based on his job title.

9.1 Custom job titles must accurately state what character you intend to roleplay.

If the staff is going to rule that Cops do not have to alter their job titles to break the law/act corrupt, why does a citizen
have to alter their job title in order to do the same thing?
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