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Corrupt Police Officers - Wheatcake - Sep 25, 2017
Do Corrupt Police Officers need to have 'Corrupt' in there job title or not? I've always been told no as it just increases meta-gaming, yet recently @Nacreas has told me that you need to have 'Corrupt' somewhere in your job title so that staff know what you're doing in your RP. It would be nice if other staff members could agree on one thing, instead of that particular staff member deciding what they believe. Vote in the poll and comment your oppinions.
RE: Corrupt Police Officers - Cheet - Sep 25, 2017
Nope, causes Metagaming from other players.
RE: Corrupt Police Officers - Jen - Sep 25, 2017
Personally I feel that it should be in the description of the player as that is what you are. Not your "job" if you see where im coming from. Its not a job to be corrupt its how you act.
RE: Corrupt Police Officers - Nacreas - Sep 26, 2017
As it defines the character you intend to roleplay, you are required to state it in your job title. Though I can appreciate metagaming would be a concern, it can be dealt with.
RE: Corrupt Police Officers - BlackDog - Sep 26, 2017
Im on the fence, because as a private security guard, or any other kind of government contractor such a requirement would not be required:
Example: Security guard is hired to watch the front door, takes a bribe to let someone in and to take his lunch early. Do we say (NO you cant do that, you did not list CORRUPT in your job title, try it and be punished!) The answer hopefully is no, we wouldnt punish them, because that goes against how RP is, is fluid and can evolve naturaly, just because Bob took the bribe, does not mean he is now always going to do it, there are an almost infinate number of reasons Bob took the bribe, and saying "Corrupt" does not even begin to cover this or help with corruptions management.
Example: Cop pulls over the don for speeding, notices its the don,and to stay in his good favor and to you know, not be murdered later, he lets him go, does he require "Corrupt" to do this? I would hope you said no, because thats insanely restrictive on a players RP.
Example: The president knows to keep the peace he will have the bend the law a tad to maintain it, and does so because they feel it is the right thing to do, do they have to have "Corrupt" in their job now? I would hope you said no.
Being corrupt is not just "muahahaha im evil because evil muahahahah" Being corrupt is often much more nuance than that, a bribe here, looking the otherway there.
Just because your corrupt also does not mean you dont intend to do your job, your just ignoreing department policy and doing things that are in your own self interest, or how you feel they need to go to get results, or because you feel it is the right thing to do and a simple "Corrupt" tag does not even begin to include every single way you can be corrupt by accident.
I feel it does nothing but restrict players RP choices and as you said about metagaming, if a player is abuseing the freedom of a lack ofa "Corrupt" tag gives them, it can be dealt with.
RE: Corrupt Police Officers - Nacreas - Sep 26, 2017
For clarification: I instructed two players in a case involving WheatCake that they needed to change their jobs to "Corrupt Officer" because they were going to more extreme forms of corruption ie. detaining someone to then beat them up on the request of a drug dealer.
RE: Corrupt Police Officers - BlackDog - Sep 26, 2017
Even then, i feel an arbitrary "Corrupt" tag does not really help and does more harm than good.
A Corrupt tag does:
Allows active metagaming that is hard to prove
Allows subconscious metagaming as just because the tag is there, a player will act differently
Restricts corrupt RP to only those who in advance have added the tag and disallows corrupt RP to those who did not.
I do not agree with a corrupt tag requirement, as we do not enforce it for any other job, sub-contractors and the like, so why would we enforce it for police when they are in no way different than anyone else in that regard.
RE: Corrupt Police Officers - Taylor - Sep 26, 2017
Whilst I understand it can be useful from a Staff perspective - it does increase metagaming and there is no real gain. How many cops irl do you seen labelling their own job title as corrupt. If you're corrupt people should world that out, you shouldn't have to plaster it all across your character.
Hey why no introduce a new model with a sign attached to their head saying I'm corrupt.
RE: Corrupt Police Officers - Wheatcake - Sep 26, 2017
Thank you for the clarifications guys. It'd be a lot better if the staff could have a meeting and all be on the same page so you don't get a warning or not get a warning depending on which staff member is dealing with the situation.
Like Nacreas said, it should vary what corrupt is classed as. Such as what Blackdog said, not arresting/ticketing the Don Corleone due to fear of being murdered wouldn't be corrupt, but taking fines is. It really should be discussed more in-depth of what is corrupt and what isn't.
However I do agree with Blackdog saying that Role-Play should be fluid and be able to evolve while doing so, so I'm not sure how this script would be implemented or how this rule is going to be dealt with but it would be nice for it to be stated in the rules or at least and announcement made so that all players know their boundaries on corrupt and not being corrupt.
Maybe a little neat script could be made where you could do for example: /corrupt and you would have a little sign under your name or underneath your description saying the word corrupt, yet only staff members would be able to see this. This way players can't meta-game and staff members can keep track of your actions.
RE: Corrupt Police Officers - Project - Sep 26, 2017
(Sep 26, 2017, 03:49 AM)Nacreas Wrote: As it defines the character you intend to roleplay, you are required to state it in your job title. Though I can appreciate metagaming would be a concern, it can be dealt with.
Isn't that why the description section exists? Far less noticable.
RE: Corrupt Police Officers - Mr.Sir - Sep 26, 2017
(Sep 26, 2017, 11:50 AM)Project Wrote:Agree on this point, if I'm roleplaying as a corrupt police officer(Which i do all the time xddd) I just put it in the description.(Sep 26, 2017, 03:49 AM)Nacreas Wrote: As it defines the character you intend to roleplay, you are required to state it in your job title. Though I can appreciate metagaming would be a concern, it can be dealt with.
Isn't that why the description section exists? Far less noticable.
RE: Corrupt Police Officers - ForceGhost - Sep 26, 2017
(Sep 26, 2017, 11:50 AM)Project Wrote:(Sep 26, 2017, 03:49 AM)Nacreas Wrote: As it defines the character you intend to roleplay, you are required to state it in your job title. Though I can appreciate metagaming would be a concern, it can be dealt with.
Isn't that why the description section exists? Far less noticable.
I was told that if it's in the description then it's fine.
RE: Corrupt Police Officers - Nacreas - Sep 26, 2017
(Sep 26, 2017, 11:50 AM)Project Wrote:(Sep 26, 2017, 03:49 AM)Nacreas Wrote: As it defines the character you intend to roleplay, you are required to state it in your job title. Though I can appreciate metagaming would be a concern, it can be dealt with.
Isn't that why the description section exists? Far less noticable.
Quote:3.5 - Custom job titles must state what character you intend to roleplay, and you must roleplay the chosen job accurately (e.g do not RP as a secret agent when your job is set to Chef)
Setting a job title as mentioned allows staff to regulate the roleplay occurring at the time. My understanding of the description is that it is to describe your character physically, though it's commonly used to summarise the character instead.
RE: Corrupt Police Officers - ForceGhost - Sep 26, 2017
(Sep 26, 2017, 02:57 PM)Nacreas Wrote:(Sep 26, 2017, 11:50 AM)Project Wrote:(Sep 26, 2017, 03:49 AM)Nacreas Wrote: As it defines the character you intend to roleplay, you are required to state it in your job title. Though I can appreciate metagaming would be a concern, it can be dealt with.
Isn't that why the description section exists? Far less noticable.
Quote:3.5 - Custom job titles must state what character you intend to roleplay, and you must roleplay the chosen job accurately (e.g do not RP as a secret agent when your job is set to Chef)
Setting a job title as mentioned allows staff to regulate the roleplay occurring at the time. My understanding of the description is that it is to describe your character physically, though it's commonly used to summarise the character instead.
But if your job is set as Police Officer then that is covering rule 3.5. You intend to RP a Police Officer. Just because you're corrupt doesn't mean you're not RPing a Police Officer.
Does this rule transfer over to all RP styles? Happy Police Officer, Angry Police Officer, Depressed Police Officer, Lenient Police Officer, Strict Police Officer?
RE: Corrupt Police Officers - Sammijammi - Sep 26, 2017
The amount of times I have attempted to do a roleplay that is under the radar, only for it to be closed down by an opposing individual, due to the fact that I did not disclose in the immediate, the nature of my roleplay, is unbelievably high and that's with a decent job title.
People don't investigate into your roleplay if you do something that effects them or their friends. If you are a corrupt police officer, they will go out of their way to expose you if you do something against them, even if it is not out of the norm. It could be a regular traffic stop and because you've pulled then over, they immediately adapt their roleplay around your job title, alongside this, the issue of the President or Police Sergeant actively targeting you due to your job title.
I agree to a more lenient approach in the regard to corrupt roleplays and job titles in General, one should not have to describe their job accurately, your roleplay and how you act out your job title is description enough.