[Doctor Internet]

-Support
SWAT could just throw tear gas into a criminals building and just kill them with it eventually. It's massively unfair and criminals will just holster and die to the tear gas being at a severe disadvantage leaving no actual RP. If you can't work together to eliminate criminals you should not play SWAT.

Honestly, that's our current tactic. Stand outside and shoot crims until they've used all their healthkits.

[Soviethooves]

-Support
SWAT could just throw tear gas into a criminals building and just kill them with it eventually. It's massively unfair and criminals will just holster and die to the tear gas being at a severe disadvantage leaving no actual RP. If you can't work together to eliminate criminals you should not play SWAT.

Until we fix our current system that allows for spamming steroids, medkits, and other pharmaceuticals there are no real tactics that can be used except for bum rush the shooters.

Also the police are meant to be at a very BIG advantage compared to criminals. Just makes players think more when they are fighting a more powerful force.

[Pat]

-support
policy and swat already have plenty of equipment.

[Soviethooves]

-support
policy and swat already have plenty of equipment.

Yea they have plenty, but that doesn't mean good. Sure we get funded with shotguns and MP5's for police officers, but compare those to the AK's and SCARS every criminal has. Sure SWAT has AR-15's and grenades, but how can they compete when someone can just soak up bullets from medkit spam and use any higher end weapon they want?

The police should always have the advantage and a BIG one. Right now the police aren't seen as a big threat.

[Welker]

Changing to +support, I hadn't played police much around the time I made my conclusion, it's horrible

[francysol3c]

- support.
even with a REP point restriction, i'd see it being spammed in lots of situations, as police would use it for simple barricaded muggers or raids. As most of big players own gas masks, it would be pretty much useless to trim the violence problem. also, trolls with 1-2 reps out of pure luck (just think of all the REP-noted players on last chance or permed) would abuse of it.
on a last note, i think that crime is almost perfectly balanced. it just needs a SWAT armament buff and that's it.

[Jonathon]

+ Support

[alan245]

*bump*

[Insert]

I want this for criminals aswell, police are just too op atm.

[Rizion]

-support
policy and swat already have plenty of equipment.

Yea they have plenty, but that doesn't mean good. Sure we get funded with shotguns and MP5's for police officers, but compare those to the AK's and SCARS every criminal has. Sure SWAT has AR-15's and grenades, but how can they compete when someone can just soak up bullets from medkit spam and use any higher end weapon they want?

The police should always have the advantage and a BIG one. Right now the police aren't seen as a big threat.

I don't agree with that at all: 1. Police gets the M3/MP5 almost for free while criminals have to pay very much for Kevlar/SCARS
2. The Medkit problem has to be solved but you don't have to buff government forces because of that
3. The police has the big advantage already!!! 2/3 criminals together who can't buy SCARs and ceramic plates because of pricing get easily recked by the police force/SWAT. Exactly those smaller criminal groups wouldn't have any chance if you make the advantage bigger and bigger just because there are groups like Spectre who kill the whole server once a month.

[alan245]

-support
policy and swat already have plenty of equipment.

Yea they have plenty, but that doesn't mean good. Sure we get funded with shotguns and MP5's for police officers, but compare those to the AK's and SCARS every criminal has. Sure SWAT has AR-15's and grenades, but how can they compete when someone can just soak up bullets from medkit spam and use any higher end weapon they want?

The police should always have the advantage and a BIG one. Right now the police aren't seen as a big threat.

I don't agree with that at all: 1. Police gets the M3/MP5 almost for free while criminals have to pay very much for Kevlar/SCARS
2. The Medkit problem has to be solved but you don't have to buff government forces because of that
3. The police has the big advantage already!!! 2/3 criminals together who can't buy SCARs and ceramic plates because of pricing get easily recked by the police force/SWAT. Exactly those smaller criminal groups wouldn't have any chance if you make the advantage bigger and bigger just because there are groups like Spectre who kill the whole server once a month.

1)It is not almost for free police cost $400,SWAT cost $1000 and SSA cost $600.Criminal get their firearm back when they got cuffed.What you lost? Time,time,time and time.

2.Medkit problem?This suggestion wasn't about the medkit problems,it is saying that tear gas can make criminal to unable to resist and bring into a safe raid  without any casualties.

3)You are a starter thief? Why don't you start working on procession of contraband and getting some different cloths robbing people and get changed.the criminal are powerful once they get a plan.You failed this time you are missing a plan.

[Rizion]

-support
policy and swat already have plenty of equipment.

Yea they have plenty, but that doesn't mean good. Sure we get funded with shotguns and MP5's for police officers, but compare those to the AK's and SCARS every criminal has. Sure SWAT has AR-15's and grenades, but how can they compete when someone can just soak up bullets from medkit spam and use any higher end weapon they want?

The police should always have the advantage and a BIG one. Right now the police aren't seen as a big threat.

I don't agree with that at all: 1. Police gets the M3/MP5 almost for free while criminals have to pay very much for Kevlar/SCARS
2. The Medkit problem has to be solved but you don't have to buff government forces because of that
3. The police has the big advantage already!!! 2/3 criminals together who can't buy SCARs and ceramic plates because of pricing get easily recked by the police force/SWAT. Exactly those smaller criminal groups wouldn't have any chance if you make the advantage bigger and bigger just because there are groups like Spectre who kill the whole server once a month.

1)It is not almost for free police cost $400,SWAT cost $1000 and SSA cost $600.Criminal get their firearm back when they got cuffed.What you lost? Time,time,time and time.

2.Medkit problem?This suggestion wasn't about the medkit problems,it is saying that tear gas can make criminal to unable to resist and bring into a safe raid  without any casualties.

3)You are a starter thief? Why don't you start working on procession of contraband and getting some different cloths robbing people and get changed.the criminal are powerful once they get a plan.You failed this time you are missing a plan.

1) better than 5k for a single scar? (you can also resupply at a car or the ammo box in the garage so you don't have to pay again)
2) This was replying to Soviet as he brought up the thing with medkits.
3) So a plan let's you defeat five full equipped SWATs while you only have a pistol?

[Soviethooves]

-support
policy and swat already have plenty of equipment.

Yea they have plenty, but that doesn't mean good. Sure we get funded with shotguns and MP5's for police officers, but compare those to the AK's and SCARS every criminal has. Sure SWAT has AR-15's and grenades, but how can they compete when someone can just soak up bullets from medkit spam and use any higher end weapon they want?

The police should always have the advantage and a BIG one. Right now the police aren't seen as a big threat.

I don't agree with that at all: 1. Police gets the M3/MP5 almost for free while criminals have to pay very much for Kevlar/SCARS
2. The Medkit problem has to be solved but you don't have to buff government forces because of that
3. The police has the big advantage already!!! 2/3 criminals together who can't buy SCARs and ceramic plates because of pricing get easily recked by the police force/SWAT. Exactly those smaller criminal groups wouldn't have any chance if you make the advantage bigger and bigger just because there are groups like Spectre who kill the whole server once a month.

1. I don't pay much for my MP5 or M3, but I have to use my own Ceramic and AR-15 if I want a fighting chance. Police pay the same a criminal does for gear the PD is meant to issue, which is very wrong and deters police from using those firearms. All a criminal has to do is giveup (or get injured) and he gets to keep all of his gear when he goes to jail. Me getting shot to death while injured doesn't yield the same level of risk.

2. This part is obsolete now as medkit spam is partially fixed.

3. Goes back to 1. Police are a huge threat if they are better equipped, which is not the situation I wanna say 75% of the time. As I said in 1, a criminal doesn't risk much when fighting a cop. If he gives up, he is arrested and doesn't lose anything. If he is injured, EMS is called and he is revived and arrested with all his gear. A cop on the other hand risks getting executed and his items stolen on death, so to avoid that he has to use shit gear. Also, the PD is meant to evolve to deal with threats. If groups like SPECTRE are active, then of course they will be given a bigger advantage.

[Soviethooves]

What we want to see criminals do: "Oh shit cops! Run!"

What currently happens: "Oh shit cops! Get 'em!"

[alan245]

What we want to see criminals do: "Oh shit cops! Run!"

What currently happens: "Oh shit cops! Get 'em!"

Really true.