[jarz]

Gun crime isn't even on this list. Violence is, and it is number 19 at 19,000 deaths. That's violence in general, not just gun crime.

Can Europeans not tell me what problems Americans are having if they have no clue?

@Mr.Sir Therefore, guns are not the issue. Liberals love to claim that there are 300 million guns in households, but how in the hell does that compare to 8,454 gun-related deaths in the United States in 2013?

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Let's break this one down.

Those 'high-powered' 'assault rifle variant' 'killing machines', which in actuality is an 'ArmaLite Rifle' (hence 'AR' in 'AR-15') civilian rifle built from the ground up to maintain the asthetics of a military rifle and nothing more, account for 285 of those 8,454 deaths. That's what, 3%?

428 murders in 2013 are contributed to blunt objects, at 428. Are we to ban inanimate tools because criminals found out that the hard end can kill?

687 murders in 2013 are contributed to criminal's own hands. Are we to ban the usage of our hands instead of AR-15s? 

If AR-15's are so high-powered, why do criminals not use them as much as handguns? Sorta confused.

[The Rock]

I don't get it why Americans love their precious guns so much that they ignore the fact that they are the main reason of all these shootings

Americans are paying a big price for the right to own a firearm. I just wonder if it's worth all the lives that have been lost and will be lost in the future.

You both are right , guns should be illegal and driver license should be +18

[Preditor]

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[Soviethooves]

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If you can provide more examples of when a gun has stopped a mass shooting compared the the number of mass shootings there have been then I'll start to reconsider my stance on the matter.

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Happened 2 weeks ago.

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So that's one potential shooting stopped but look how many shootings have actually happened. Since the Dallas attack on Police Officers on the 7th July there has been FOUR mass shootings. But, at least one potential shooting was stopped right?

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Having a police officer in schools might be beneficial, but they don't need to be armed.

It's a cop. Cops have guns.

SRO's (School Resource Officers) get calls just like all other officers during their time on duty.

Then they're not "School Resource Officers" if they're not at the school.

Topics and discussions like these never get anywhere amirite.

Welcome to the US Gun Control thre....I mean Gun Control discussion.

As a Jim Jefferies once said "Your first amendment means I can say your second amendment sucks dicks". Don't moan about not being able to exercise your 2nd amendment right if at the same time that blocks people from being able to express their first amendment right.

Gun crime isn't even on this list. Violence is, and it is number 19 at 19,000 deaths. That's violence in general, not just gun crime.

Can Europeans not tell me what problems Americans are having if they have no clue?

@Mr.Sir Therefore, guns are not the issue. Liberals love to claim that there are 300 million guns in households, but how in the hell does that compare to 8,454 gun-related deaths in the United States in 2013?

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Let's break this one down.

Those 'high-powered' 'assault rifle variant' 'killing machines', which in actuality is an 'ArmaLite Rifle' (hence 'AR' in 'AR-15') civilian rifle built from the ground up to maintain the asthetics of a military rifle and nothing more, account for 285 of those 8,454 deaths. That's what, 3%?

428 murders in 2013 are contributed to blunt objects, at 428. Are we to ban inanimate tools because criminals found out that the hard end can kill?

687 murders in 2013 are contributed to criminal's own hands. Are we to ban the usage of our hands instead of AR-15s? 

If AR-15's are so high-powered, why do criminals not use them as much as handguns? Sorta confused.

Where to start...

First of all, gun violence doesn't always end in death so that chart means jack shit. So far, according to 

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Why do you assume that those reporting the number of guns in American homes must be liberals? Is the number so high that you just assume it is wrong and post no source that can counter that claim?

Now, on to your bit about the AR-15? So ONLY 285 people have been killed by them, no biggie. I mean, these guns hold no actual use for the standard civilian. Home protection doesn't require a rifle capable of shooting 25 rounds in a couple of seconds.

Criminals don't use AR's because they're not cheap and they're not easy to conceal. Criminals don't want to get caught so they don't carry big guns. However, those who go and shoot up a school, park, shopping mall don't care about being caught or even killed. That's why "criminals" don't carry around AR-15 rifles.

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If you can provide more examples of when a gun has stopped a mass shooting compared the the number of mass shootings there have been then I'll start to reconsider my stance on the matter.

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Happened 2 weeks ago.

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Only if someone had a weapon to stop the suspect.

So that's one potential shooting stopped but look how many shootings have actually happened. Since the Dallas attack on Police Officers on the 7th July there has been FOUR mass shootings. But, at least one potential shooting was stopped right?

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Having a police officer in schools might be beneficial, but they don't need to be armed.

It's a cop. Cops have guns.

SRO's (School Resource Officers) get calls just like all other officers during their time on duty.

Then they're not "School Resource Officers" if they're not at the school.

Ok. Tell me more on how you know more about American Law Enforcement than me.

Topics and discussions like these never get anywhere amirite.

Welcome to the US Gun Control thre....I mean Gun Control discussion.

As a Jim Jefferies once said "Your first amendment means I can say your second amendment sucks dicks". Don't moan about not being able to exercise your 2nd amendment right if at the same time that blocks people from being able to express their first amendment right.

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Gun crime isn't even on this list. Violence is, and it is number 19 at 19,000 deaths. That's violence in general, not just gun crime.

Can Europeans not tell me what problems Americans are having if they have no clue?

@Mr.Sir Therefore, guns are not the issue. Liberals love to claim that there are 300 million guns in households, but how in the hell does that compare to 8,454 gun-related deaths in the United States in 2013?

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Those 'high-powered' 'assault rifle variant' 'killing machines', which in actuality is an 'ArmaLite Rifle' (hence 'AR' in 'AR-15') civilian rifle built from the ground up to maintain the asthetics of a military rifle and nothing more, account for 285 of those 8,454 deaths. That's what, 3%?

428 murders in 2013 are contributed to blunt objects, at 428. Are we to ban inanimate tools because criminals found out that the hard end can kill?

687 murders in 2013 are contributed to criminal's own hands. Are we to ban the usage of our hands instead of AR-15s? 

If AR-15's are so high-powered, why do criminals not use them as much as handguns? Sorta confused.

Where to start...

First of all, gun violence doesn't always end in death so that chart means jack shit. So far, according to 

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If they are commiting a mass murder, or conspiring to, they're a criminal.

Why do you assume that those reporting the number of guns in American homes must be liberals? Is the number so high that you just assume it is wrong and post no source that can counter that claim?

I am saying Liberals are against guns. There's no denying this, it is a fundamental aspect of being a Liberal.

Now, on to your bit about the AR-15? So ONLY 285 people have been killed by them, no biggie. I mean, these guns hold no actual use for the standard civilian. Home protection doesn't require a rifle capable of shooting 25 rounds in a couple of seconds.

Georgey boy I love you but what you just said is absolutely stupid. AR-15's are not an automatic weapon, and never have been. AR-15's are a proven weapon in home defense, and hunting, a tradition and way of life for millions of Americans across America. You can't shoot 25 rounds in a couple of seconds with an AR-15, however it does require a highly manipulative weapon that will give you the edge over a criminal, who as you just admitted beneath me, choose to use handguns because they are easily concealable.

Criminals don't use AR's because they're not cheap and they're not easy to conceal. Criminals don't want to get caught so they don't carry big guns. However, those who go and shoot up a school, park, shopping mall don't care about being caught or even killed. That's why "criminals" don't carry around AR-15 rifles.

They're actually quite cheap.  And precisely. Criminals don't like to use AR-15's or any other long gun for their shitty way of life. That's why making laws against them is absolutely fucking pathetic. Just because you make a law saying you can't use a rifle to commit a school shooting doesn't mean criminals will comply. We are on the same page here when I say criminals don't follow the rules, right?

I refer you to one of my previous posts where I say criminals are not affected by Gun laws. That is why I am against them. By making legal guns harder to acquire, you're making it harder for peaceful members of society to get them. To quote my exact words on how criminals get their guns, they trade 3 zips and a dimebag in the ghetto for an illegally obtained firearm.

To reiterate: I'm for gun control, in the right area. By making legal guns harder to obtain, you're making it harder for peaceful members of society to acquire them. These guns laws Obama wants do not affect the criminals, and he will never understand this because he has been a top tier politician for 20 years, never living on the bottom. Plus he is a democrat.

[Safira]

'peaceful members of society'

If you're gonna shoot someone with intent to kill/seriously harm them because they're on your property I wouldn't call that peaceful, just saying.

Refer to my previous post for my stance on all this, I can't be fiddled to start quoting and replying.

[Venom]

'peaceful members of society'

If you're gonna shoot someone with intent to kill/seriously harm them because they're on your property I wouldn't call that peaceful, just saying.

Refer to my previous post for my stance on all this, I can't be fiddled to start quoting and replying.

You can't just shoot someone because they're on your property. Under the Castle Doctrine, there are a couple things that have to be in place to shoot someone.


-An intruder must be making (or have made) an attempt to unlawfully or forcibly enter an occupied residence, business, or vehicle.
-The intruder must be acting unlawfully (the castle doctrine does not allow a right to use force against officers of the law, acting in the course of their legal duties).
-The occupant(s) of the home must reasonably believe the intruder intends to inflict serious bodily harm or death upon an occupant of the home. Some states apply the Castle Doctrine if the occupant(s) of the home reasonably believe the intruder intends to commit a lesser felony such as arson or burglary.
-The occupant(s) of the home must not have provoked or instigated an intrusion; or, provoked/instigated an intruder's threat or use of deadly force.

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'peaceful members of society'

If you're gonna shoot someone with intent to kill/seriously harm them because they're on your property I wouldn't call that peaceful, just saying.

Refer to my previous post for my stance on all this, I can't be fiddled to start quoting and replying.

Are you to greet an intruder kindly at your door? What if you need to defend yourself from an intruder? Is it too mean to defend yourself now a days?

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'peaceful members of society'

If you're gonna shoot someone with intent to kill/seriously harm them because they're on your property I wouldn't call that peaceful, just saying.

Refer to my previous post for my stance on all this, I can't be fiddled to start quoting and replying.

Peace and love,

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but I will shoot a person that invades my home intent on attacking me. I couldn't care less if they're leaving with some of my belongings. If I can chase them off, great; after that point I let the police deal with it. However, I'm not left with much choice if my life or well-being is put at risk.

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Having a police officer in schools might be beneficial, but they don't need to be armed.

It's a cop. Cops have guns.

SRO's (School Resource Officers) get calls just like all other officers during their time on duty.

Then they're not "School Resource Officers" if they're not at the school.
Yes, yes they are. Police patrol "sectors" or "precincts" typically further subdivided into zones. Individual officers (depending on the agency) are assigned a zone. A SRO is just an officer with a much smaller zone, which will be the school + the surrounding area.

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Now, on to your bit about the AR-15? So ONLY 285 people have been killed by them, no biggie. I mean, these guns hold no actual use for the standard civilian. Home protection doesn't require a rifle capable of shooting 25 rounds in a couple of seconds.

Any random homeowner with an AR15 is not going to be shooting 25 rounds in "a couple of seconds." That's total hyperbole. The big advantage for having a large magazine is that most homeowners will not be in stressful situations where they will need to use the gun often enough for them to be used to those situations. Not having to reload is a huge advantage for them there, as they will struggle reloading.

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Any random homeowner with an AR15 is not going to be shooting 25 rounds in "a couple of seconds." That's total hyperbole. The big advantage for having a large magazine is that most homeowners will not be in stressful situations where they will need to use the gun often enough for them to be used to those situations. Not having to reload is a huge advantage for them there, as they will struggle reloading.
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Having a larger magazine as stated reduces the chance of needing to reload, as said. Although a 5.56 or 7.62 could over penetrate, it has a lot of stopping power, much more than a standard 9mm. If someone has broken in, and they are armed, are you going to want to hit them with a large calibre bullet with lots of energy behind it or a small calibre bullet with less power? Furthermore, the idea of 25 rounds in seconds is not very truthful. Most civilian rifles I have seen don't go further than semi-auto. If you are nervous, shaking, and scared, you won't be able to fire 25 rounds on semi auto in seconds. If a weapon is fully automatic, it is classed as an assault rifle (by military terms not politicians ideas) which is not only dangerous for home defense, but also heavily restricted. If you start shooting in  full auto while shaking, your shoulder is taking a beating and over penetration is likely going to happen. Finally, during a break in, you won't be thinking about controlling kick from a pistol, just about stopping an attacker. If you fire too quick on an attacker, you could hurt your wrists taking you out of the fight. If you shoot from one shoulder, and you hurt it, you have another one and quite possibly a bed or dresser to lay a rifle on where you are hiding.

One last thing, before someone goes off telling me just say call the cops and hide, no, just no. When seconds count, you can't guarantee your safety by calling the cops. If you are in a crowded city with tons of traffic or in the country, cops can be far away, so having a firearm is beneficial


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