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Photo of dead child's body renews call for action on migrant crisis

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"The grim discovery of a dead migrant child washed up along the shores of a Turkish resort town brought fresh horror and renewed calls Wednesday for European nations to take firm action to halt the growing crisis."

"USA TODAY does not typically publish graphic images of dead bodies. It decided to use this photo because it illustrates the significant horror of the situation as thousands of migrants risk their lives seeking refuge in Europe. USA TODAY believes the news value of the photo outweighed the usual reluctance to publish such pictures."

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A Turkish police officer stands next to a migrant child's dead body off the shores of Bodrum, southern Turkey, on Sept. 2, 2015. USA TODAY does not typically publish graphic images of dead bodies, but it decided to use this photo because it illustrates the horror of the situation as thousands of migrants risk their lives seeking refuge in Europe.

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A police officer carries the lifeless body of a migrant child after a number of migrants died when the boats carrying them to the Greek island of Kos capsized, near the Turkish resort of Bodrum on Sept. 2, 2015.

"The United Nations says more than 2,400 people have died this year attempting to reach mainland Europe in decrepit boats and dinghies that cross the Mediterranean Sea from Turkey and North Africa.

The situation on land is also perilous. Tens of thousands of migrants from Africa, the Middle East and Asia have risked life and limb this year to reach the EU by taking trips over the so-called Balkan land route — a journey that involves crossing multiple borders, often beginning in Greece.

Wednesday in Hungary, thousands of migrants near Budapest's main international train station were blocked for a second day from seeking asylum in Germany and other European nations."

"Hungary is a member of the EU, but many migrants prefer to try to make it to Germany, where asylum applications are more likely to be approved and where there is relatively generous support from the government. Sweden is also a favored destination."

"In Austria, police released 24 migrants from Afghanistan who were found in the back of a van and in danger of suffocating. Seventy-one people died in similar circumstances near Vienna last week.

European leaders are scheduled to hold an emergency summit on the crisis in Brussels on Sept. 14. EU member states have been debating migration rules such as the so-called Dublin Regulation that calls for refugees to seek asylum in the first EU country they enter, a policy especially troublesome for Greece and Italy. Germany acknowledged the rule needs changing."

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EU migrant crisis:

'Schengen is crumbling'

Nigel Farage, the UK Independent Party leader, told the Telegraph: "It is clear the Schengen Agreement is crumbling, as recent events are putting so much pressure on the political agreement.
"Schengen has now hit the buffers of the real world and is falling apart. In a crisis, national interests always prevail over European ideology."

Slovakia's foreign minister Miroslav Lajcak has said Schengen has fallen apart.

"Schengen has de facto fallen apart. Under normal circumstances, it's difficult to get a Schengen visa, and now there are tens of thousands of people walking around here without anyone checking them," Lajcak said.

The European Commission says it has not yet been officially confirmed to them that Italy has temporarily reimposed border controls, writes Justin Huggler in Berlin.
"We can't confirm it has happened," Milica Petrovic, press officer for migration, home affairs and citizenship, said. "We can't comment on it until we get confirmation it has happened."

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[Joey Skylynx]

They should stay in their own country and fix their own problems. Stop running from things.

[Humla]

I can't help to wonder why the spotlights are aimed at Europe. I wrote a longer text earlier but I got signed out for some reason. Anyways, I'll make this shorter.

Here are some facts from Amnesty International:

Key facts:

The six Gulf countries - Qatar, United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Bahrain - have offered zero resettlement places to Syrian refugees.
Other high income countries including Russia, Japan, Singapore and South Korea have also offered zero resettlement places.

Why doesn't the media complain about them? In Swedish media it says that the death of the child (and all the other deaths for that matter) are Europes fault.

Other countries outside Europe should get more attention as European countries has done plenty. Sweden and Germanys immigration politics is not strict enough and that is the reason of the amount of immigrants. Europe can't keep up with this pace. There is only 2 choices left: close European borders and help people in their country or open the borders completely, sit back and watch as Europe consists of developing countries.

There is much more to say about all of this but I don't have the time atm, I might come back and evaluate if I am in the mood for it later.

[Lord Octagon]

They should stay in their own country and fix their own problems. Stop running from things.

What about their right of asylum? You can't deny them their basic human rights.

[Aviator]

They should stay in their own country and fix their own problems. Stop running from things.

For many of them, it's hardly "their" problems.

[Jono]

It also isn't our problem, and I don't like the fact that as a nation, we're all being shamed for 'not doing enough', and the media is trying to make us all feel guilty.

Our nation contributes a lot to the world. We don't need to do anything about this 'crisis'. Sort out our own country before we go and help others. There's people in our own nation, whom have paid tax etc, who aren't getting treatment on the NHS, whom are homeless etc. The UK does not need the financial burden of more non-tax paying peoples.

Before this sounds like a senseless rant, I have firsthand experience with the cost to the government, as my family run various businesses in Kent which deal with social care. Asylum seeking child, or illegal immigrant costs the council £4500 PER WEEK. In conparison, eledery people get only £750 per week. How is that fair? A child whom hasn't, and isn't likely to contribute to our society will get that much extra funding?

Even more ridiculous, illegal immigrants whom have been caught, are being put into hotels at their normal charge due to a lack of spaces in the internment centres. That's £60 a night per adult! And on top of that, they have had the cheek to moan saying 'The food isn't that good'.

Honestly, it's bloody stupid, all of these SJWs on facebook. If you want them to come here so much, put up one of your bedrooms and do your bit. It's the same argument with anything political. 'We want more houses'. But the moment a housing estate is proposed to be built near their house, they're completely against it.

I mean, in an ideal world, they wouldn't need to seek asylum. Everyone would live in peace etc, but it's not ever going to happen. I think we should look after people in our own country, and sort out our own economy before even considering taking any further asylum seekers.

[Humla]

[quote author=Joey Skylynx link=topic=1629.msg15204#msg15204 date=1441281974]
They should stay in their own country and fix their own problems. Stop running from things.

For many of them, it's hardly "their" problems.
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For some of them it is just problem with their teeth, like this boys father. They were not refugees you see, they were just "golddiggers" or what we shall call them. They did not flee from any war, Aylan were brought up in Turkey and probably did not witness a single bomb or weapon in his 3 year short life.

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[quote author=Aviator link=topic=1629.msg15399#msg15399 date=1441314205]
[quote author=Joey Skylynx link=topic=1629.msg15204#msg15204 date=1441281974]
They should stay in their own country and fix their own problems. Stop running from things.

For many of them, it's hardly "their" problems.
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For some of them it is just problem with their teeth, like this boys father. They were not refugees you see, they were just "golddiggers" or what we shall call them. They did not flee from any war, Aylan were brought up in Turkey and probably did not witness a single bomb or weapon in his 3 year short life.

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I honestly don't belive this, there are so many stories to why the family left. This is the 1st time I have heard something like this.

[Dauntless]

They should stay in their own country and fix their own problems. Stop running from things.

How the hell is a family fleeing a war going to fix and stop a civil war? What even...

[Dauntless]

It also isn't our problem, and I don't like the fact that as a nation, we're all being shamed for 'not doing enough', and the media is trying to make us all feel guilty.

Our nation contributes a lot to the world. We don't need to do anything about this 'crisis'. Sort out our own country before we go and help others. There's people in our own nation, whom have paid tax etc, who aren't getting treatment on the NHS, whom are homeless etc. The UK does not need the financial burden of more non-tax paying peoples.

Before this sounds like a senseless rant, I have firsthand experience with the cost to the government, as my family run various businesses in Kent which deal with social care. Asylum seeking child, or illegal immigrant costs the council £4500 PER WEEK. In conparison, eledery people get only £750 per week. How is that fair? A child whom hasn't, and isn't likely to contribute to our society will get that much extra funding?

Even more ridiculous, illegal immigrants whom have been caught, are being put into hotels at their normal charge due to a lack of spaces in the internment centres. That's £60 a night per adult! And on top of that, they have had the cheek to moan saying 'The food isn't that good'.

Honestly, it's bloody stupid, all of these SJWs on facebook. If you want them to come here so much, put up one of your bedrooms and do your bit. It's the same argument with anything political. 'We want more houses'. But the moment a housing estate is proposed to be built near their house, they're completely against it.

I mean, in an ideal world, they wouldn't need to seek asylum. Everyone would live in peace etc, but it's not ever going to happen. I think we should look after people in our own country, and sort out our own economy before even considering taking any further asylum seekers.

So you think it's ok for Southern and parts of Western Europe to just manage all of them? As Europeans we are meant to share the refugees all around. Every country should get it's fair share. I understand England has a problem with a huge amount of immigration from Eastern Europe and other countries, but you really think it's ok to let these people be cramped in Southern Europe. If they don't follow British laws and eat british food then ofc they can be deported. I also understand how stupidly illegal immigrants are dealt with like you mentioned, they way they are processed it down right crazy. But the people who are suffering and are cramped in parts of Europe needs to be shared equally amongst Europe. They are real refugees and they need help, they don't care send them to Scotland or something. If you do make a petition for your government to fix its immigration system, I will sign ofc and your views do make sense, but for now allot of people need help and all of Europe needs to help out.

[Lord Octagon]

Seeing as my previous post wasn't taken into account, here is an expansion:



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The right to seek asylum

If you come into the UK and you are escaping persecution you have a right to seek asylum.

Note: This is a right.

But you will only be given refuge if you show that:

• You are outside your own country;
  
• You have a well-founded fear of persecution;
  
• That persecution is because of your race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion; and
  
• You can’t rely on your country’s government to protect you from the persecution.
  

If you can show that you meet all the criteria above, then the UK has a duty not to return you to where you will face persecution.

Note: These people meet all the criteria, therefore the UK has a duty not to reject them.

Why the right to asylum matters

The right to seek asylum is set out in the Universal Declaration on Human Rights. It is one of the most important obligations in international law.

The UK has a long tradition of giving refuge to those escaping persecution, and this has saved the lives of many thousands of people who would otherwise have been killed.

Unfortunately, many people around the world continue to be at risk of persecution, so there continues to be a need for countries like the UK to provide a place of safety.

[Lord Octagon]

David Cameron has also released a statement.

Given the scale of the Syrian crisis, and the suffering of the people, I can announce we will provide resettlement for thousands more Syrian refugees.

We will take Syrians from the refugee camps. This provides them with a direct and safe route to the UK, rather than risking the hazardous journey which has cost so many lives.

We will discuss how best to design these schemes and the numbers we will take with NGOs and partners. We will set out further details next week.

We have given £900m of aid to help Syrian refugees - the second biggest bilateral donor. And we are funding shelter, food, water and vital medical supplies for millions of desperate Syrian refugees.

[Judge Rage]

Problem is is that they can't really help their problem - I don't blame them for fleeing but all of this crisis just seems rather abrupt. Syria's police is corrupt, it's army a joke and it's government I'd be surprised if it actually had a functioning one.

Maybe, we should stop complaining and actually do something over there to help in-person. Then, they'd stop having to flee to Europe.

Furthermore, as Jono said we should fix our own problems. Let's start by not wasting tax payer money on repainting Police Scotland's (a police service failing horribly at it's job) helicopters into Gaelic. That actually happened.

[Decay]

They should stay in their own country and fix their own problems. Stop running from things.

I don't know if you're trolling or not, but it's absolute despicable that you would say such a thing. What if you were in the middle of a war zone and when you were trying to get out of there in an attempt to give your children's a proper chance on a future you'll get denied and met with a population telling you to get the fuck back and solve your own problems.. as a civilian you alone don't stand a chance on solving anything, I am certain if it was as easy to just " solve their own problems they would do it. I truly believe that fleeing from their country is a last option. Not everyone is lucky enough to have basic human rights.

[Freezak]

If you want to move to a country that's far away from a war, at least appreciate the help you're given.

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