[iac]

Feel free to debate here, as I will too.

Let me just point out a few things with this.

This does not break the rules, but certain admins think it does, let me just demolish your point here.

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"Rule 1.1 using cheats, hacks or abusing glitches is not allowed."

definition of cheat - act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage.

In order to gain an advantage - Click Botting gives no advantage as its one second, the same time as the server allows the tree to be cut, 1 second.
So a player who clicks at 1 second without a clickbot gets the same amount of wood with a person who has there click bot set to 1 second.
In no way can we make this faster or get a advantage, its the same because the 1 second is server side.

definition of hack - gain unauthorized access to data in a system or computer.
I'm not even gonna argue this as its common sense.

definition of glitch - a sudden, usually temporary malfunction or fault of equipment.
This is also common sense, but for anyone who does not know, Faustie programmed the tree cutting to be like this, so no its not a glitch.

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We get no advantage other players
Check the my section above, the only advantage we get is that we don't hurt our fingers or get a RSI.

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Money, we earn the same amount as everyone else, plus it allows us to earn money easier and faster(No advantage though!) I'd rather not be sat in a room doing contraband waiting for some fucker to come through the door so I can kill him, I prefer to leave it click botting, go downstairs and do something that I want to do, its easier to make money and allows roleplay to be easier, next point.

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Roleplay, with the money we have earned from wood cutting it allows us to buy things and roleplay, I have a chavved up ford focus, hardly any weapons, and I don't have a suit.

So without a suit I can't do any business roleplay without looking like a total twat, I can definitely not do security work as I don't have a suit or weapons.
I can't do police chases on me because my car goes 30 MPH and they just ram me into a wall, but with a faster car, a lot of police officer(i've seen) don't shoot your car and do a chase with you! Amazing right?

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Injury, Clicking like that this to get money is very very stupid, its not a bad idea, but its stupid to not use a clickbot.
My fingers were numb after a certain admin said yesterday "clickbots are not allowed" as a result of this, I crashed my fucking car into somebody, got cdmed because I couldn't move and many more things.
I'd also like to point out RSI, so when you go to the A&E its gonna be a bit like this "I've hurt my wrist from madly clicking on a game to earn virtual cash because I don't have any cash on the game! "

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I think I've made my points fairly clear, so if any of the players or admins wish to debate with me, I'll be up for that.

Edit: I'd also like to point out that I'm not finding loopholes, I just simply took the definitions of the terms and pointed it out to you.

[AwesomeSauce]

This is an excellent point of view.

IMO, we should allow clickbots, and change the wood system. The current one is dumb. What about a system that gives you slightly less wood if you spam the mouse? Or the beehive system that was suggested before.

Anything that isn't the stamina crap.

[Jordy]

Agree so much here, click-bots provide no advantage against any of the players or exploit the system in anyway.

[Enzyme]

Untill stated otherwise form now on; this is considered exploiting and can thus be punished with a permanent ban.
This serves as a warning.

A topic like this one when it comes to rules is to be discussed internally; not publicly.

Thank you.

[Jono]

Of course click bots give an advantage?  It means you can literally put the clickbot on, and completely AFK while watching netflix or something. Atleast if you're clicking, you're having to actively do something within the game.



Would be better if you only had 10 clicks per tree, for example, and then the tree was felled. You would then have to find the next tree and do the same thing. This would make autoclickers redundant, and keep logging interactive and dynamic rather than just standing still.

[iac]

Untill stated otherwise form now on; this is considered exploiting and can thus be punished with a permanent ban.
This serves as a warning.

A topic like this one when it comes to rules is to be discussed internally; not publicly.

Thank you.

Ah, another unwritten rule I see!
And of course this should be discussed publically too, we are the community, we pay for your servers.
When you left fearless all of you guys promised that this would be "admin transparent" and "listen to the community" and "do updates"
Not listening to the community, which pay for your servers, will end in a duplicate of fearless.


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Of course click bots give an advantage?  It means you can literally put the clickbot on, and completely AFK while watching netflix or something. Atleast if you're clicking, you're having to actively do something within the game.



Would be better if you only had 10 clicks per tree, for example, and then the tree was felled. You would then have to find the next tree and do the same thing. This would make autoclickers redundant, and keep logging interactive and dynamic rather than just standing still.

By advantage I meant in game, but if you want to class us doing something else with our lives as a advantage, you can.
But once again, this software is free and public for anyone to use, so if they want to do something else while earning money on a game then so let them.

[Rayts5]

What Blizzard and Jagex did, was that they instead of counting botting as a hack, they put it into its own category and said:
An action must not be automated, and has to be done manually. 1 press per action, basically.

For example, there was this auction house addon in World of Warcraft. Previously, you could purchase 300 of an item in an instant, which is the same as pressing "Buy" 300 times, therefore, automating it. Due to the policy change, this addon had to change it so that you had to press "Buy" 300 times instead.

[Voluptious]

What we can do to reduce RSI (if people is that dumb) is to enable "automatic" fire, instead of having to click each time. It wouldnt be more difficult to cheat the system (clickbots) and people dont need to wear out their mouse button or other thing they use. (speaking from my previous mouse with a bad left click because I used it for so much)

Just my two cents.

[Fred]

fuck the rules and shit, where's the RP at if you use an auto clicker?

[Toxic]

You've already listed ways that an auto clicker gives people unfair advantages over players who don't have one.

[iac]

fuck the rules and shit, where's the RP at if you use an auto clicker?

Wheres the RP in you clicking a tree?

What we can do to reduce RSI (if people is that dumb) is to enable "automatic" fire, instead of having to click each time. It wouldnt be more difficult to cheat the system (clickbots) and people dont need to wear out their mouse button or other thing they use. (speaking from my previous mouse with a bad left click because I used it for so much)

Just my two cents.

Hold it downing is easier than auto clicking, just put something heavy on your mouse button or key(if rebinded) :/

You've already listed ways that an auto clicker gives people unfair advantages over players who don't have one.

How so? care to elaborate?

[Tzimanious]

I don't really care about auto clickers, however I don't think it should be allowed.

It doesn't give you any "advantage" but you're supposed to "do" something to earn money. It's unfair that the guy with autoclicker earns money (yeah, the same amount) but watches a movie on netflix while the other guy has to look at his screen with nothing interesting and just keep clicking.

You could have a really big amount of inv space and just let your pc on to farm wood while you're at work or school.
It's "infinite" money.

However, clicking at a tree for hours is borring (especially with the stamina system) therefore people don't really get "infinite" money because they can't sit all day hitting a tree.

[Murdoch Murdoch]

Personally, I think active clickbotting should be allowed but AFK clickbotting should not. Meaning that admins would still move players from the tree to check if they were AFK, but nothing should still be allowed for players that attend to their machines. On the other hand, like vol said, you should be able to hold down your attack button instead of getting carpal tunnel or breaking your mouse.

As for what was brought up by someone at some point. What if someone used one of those little weighted woodpecker things to press their attack button? Does this count as 'exploiting'?

[PoutinePirate]

Personally, I think active clickbotting should be allowed but AFK clickbotting should not. Meaning that admins would still move players from the tree to check if they were AFK, but nothing should still be allowed for players that attend to their machines. On the other hand, like vol said, you should be able to hold down your attack button instead of getting carpal tunnel or breaking your mouse.

As for what was brought up by someone at some point. What if someone used one of those little weighted woodpecker things to press their attack button? Does this count as 'exploiting'?

I'm curious too. Technically the weird, non-sensical umbrella terms applied to the click-botting have a technological connotation. Would one need to build one and take a photo of it in-action and post it here?

Also, the whole afk-lift strategy doesn't work. If staff members lift people up, it's very possible that the liftee in question still takes a swing at the air, suprised. And if there was an active click-botter, they'd just disable the click botting for the duration of whatever admin interaction is going on.

I don't care for it, but the ban on click botting is silly. If someone is afk clickbotting, like while away at work, or something irl, they're bound to die of starvation or something at some point or another. As long as the player's avatar remains fed, technically it's somewhat active botting. And what difference does it make, if someone is an active,  lumber-collecting zombie, or an afk clickbotting drone?

If an afk clickbotter gets mugged while chopping, they'll die for not responding to the mugger's demands, which once again, gives it more drawbacks than standard, active tree chopping.

(tl;dr: Huge incoherent mess based on my thoughts on the matter)

[Preditor]

Untill stated otherwise form now on; this is considered exploiting and can thus be punished with a permanent ban.
This serves as a warning.

A topic like this one when it comes to rules is to be discussed internally; not publicly.

Thank you.