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Aviation!

So, I thought I would make one of these because, why not! But yeah! Post your goals and what you want to be in the aviation community! I mean this thread might not go anywhere but who cares!

Anyway, here it goes! My hobby is obviously flying or more generally aviation. However, flying is not all I love. I also love Air Traffic Control. I really don't know what it is but I love it! All of these aspects have put me into my place.

So if you have dreams to get somewhere in aviation, post below please! I would love to hear them!
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(Aug 2, 2015, 01:46 PM)Lord Octagon link Wrote: I would like to own an airline.

"If you want to be a Millionaire, start with a billion dollars and launch a new airline."
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I'd love to join the U.S. Air Force, and later become a Commerical Airline Pilot.
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(Aug 4, 2015, 02:08 AM)Sirrus link Wrote: I'd love to join the U.S. Air Force, and later become a Commerical Airline Pilot.

I have always wanted to be a commercial pilot. However, I don't think I could do it because wouldn't you always be away from your family?
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(Aug 4, 2015, 02:24 AM)Tmdirtbike link Wrote: [quote author=Sirrus link=topic=236.msg4216#msg4216 date=1438646888]
I'd love to join the U.S. Air Force, and later become a Commerical Airline Pilot.

I have always wanted to be a commercial pilot. However, I don't think I could do it because wouldn't you always be away from your family?
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Depends on what aircraft and what sort of airline you fly for. If you're flying, say, 737's or A320's then you will usually find yourself landing back at your home base at the end of the day. (So you might fly Gatwick-Frankfurt-Amsterdam-Gatwick in a day) However, if you're flying long-haul aircraft such as a 747-8 or a 777 then you will almost always have to stay overnight, the difference being that a long haul pilot will only do 1-2 flights per week while short haul pilots can be flying up to 6 days a week on routes like the one I mentioned above. Either way, there's plenty of time for family either in the evenings (if you're not too tired!) or on the days off you get.

About the sort of airline- generally more expensive airlines will have pilots working less hours as they have more funding available to employ larger numbers of them. They generally also have better job security and benefits such as paid holidays etc. Unless you're lucky you won't be working for an airline like this until you have a few years experience under your belt. If you're working for a budget airline, as many newly-qualified pilots do, you might find yourself on a zero-hour contract, only being paid for time in the air with no benefits or paid holiday. This also means you can be fired/laid off by the airline at essentially any time. It's not a great place to be, but it's essential to gain the experience needed to work for a more reputable airline.

tl;dr actually you're home quite a lot
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Aviator would have a ball in this thread.
1 When the heavens above did not exist,
2 And earth beneath had not come into being —
3 There was Apsû, the first in order, their begetter,
4 And demiurge Tia-mat, who gave birth to them all;
5 They had mingled their waters together
6 Before meadow-land had coalesced and reed-bed was to he found —
7 When not one of the gods had been formed
8 Or had come into being, when no destinies had been decreed,
9 The gods were created within them:
10 Lah(mu and Lah(amu were formed and came into being.
11 While they grew and increased in stature
12 Anšar and Kišar, who excelled them, were created.
13 They prolonged their days, they multiplied their years.
14 Anu, their son, could rival his fathers.
15 Anu, the son, equalled Anšar,
16 And Anu begat Nudimmud, his own equal.
17 Nudimmud was the champion among his fathers:
18 Profoundly discerning, wise, of robust strength;
19 Very much stronger than his father's begetter, Anšar
20 He had no rival among the gods, his brothers.
21 The divine brothers came together,
22 Their clamour got loud, throwing Tia-mat into a turmoil.
23 They jarred the nerves of Tia-mat,
24 And by their dancing they spread alarm in Anduruna.
25 Apsû did not diminish their clamour,
26 And Tia-mat was silent when confronted with them.
27 Their conduct was displeasing to her,
28 Yet though their behaviour was not good, she wished to spare them.
29 Thereupon Apsû, the begetter of the great gods,
30 Called Mummu, his vizier, and addressed him,
31 "Vizier Mummu, who gratifies my pleasure,
32 Come, let us go to Tia-mat!"
33 They went and sat, facing Tia-mat,
34 As they conferred about the gods, their sons.
35 Apsû opened his mouth
36 And addressed Tia-mat
37 "Their behaviour has become displeasing to me
38 And I cannot rest in the day-time or sleep at night.
39 I will destroy and break up their way of life
40 That silence may reign and we may sleep."
41 When Tia-mat heard this
42 She raged and cried out to her spouse,
43 She cried in distress, fuming within herself,
44 She grieved over the (plotted) evil,
45 "How can we destroy what we have given birth to?
46 Though their behaviour causes distress, let us tighten discipline graciously."
47 Mummu spoke up with counsel for Apsû—
48 (As from) a rebellious vizier was the counsel of his Mummu—
49 "Destroy, my father, that lawless way of life,
50 That you may rest in the day-time and sleep by night!"
51 Apsû was pleased with him, his face beamed
52 Because he had plotted evil against the gods, his sons.
53 Mummu put his arms around Apsû's neck,
54 He sat on his knees kissing him.
55 What they plotted in their gathering
56 Was reported to the gods, their sons.
57 The gods heard it and were frantic.
58 They were overcome with silence and sat quietly.
59 Ea, who excels in knowledge, the skilled and learned,
60 Ea, who knows everything, perceived their tricks.
61 He fashioned it and made it to be all-embracing,
62 He executed it skilfully as supreme—his pure incantation.
63 He recited it and set it on the waters,
64 He poured sleep upon him as he was slumbering deeply.
65 He put Apsû to slumber as he poured out sleep,
66 And Mummu, the counsellor, was breathless with agitation.
67 He split (Apsû's) sinews, ripped off his crown,
68 Carried away his aura and put it on himself.
69 He bound Apsû and killed him;
70 Mummu he confined and handled roughly.
71 He set his dwelling upon Apsû,
72 And laid hold on Mummu, keeping the nose-rope in his hand.
73 After Ea had bound and slain his enemies,
74 Had achieved victory over his foes,
75 He rested quietly in his chamber,
76 He called it Apsû, whose shrines he appointed.
77 Then he founded his living-quarters within it,
78 And Ea and Damkina, his wife, sat in splendour.
79 In the chamber of the destinies, the room of the archetypes,
80 The wisest of the wise, the sage of the gods, Be-l was conceived.
81 In Apsû was Marduk born,
82 In pure Apsû was Marduk born.
83 Ea his father begat him,
84 Damkina his mother bore him.
85 He sucked the breasts of goddesses,
86 A nurse reared him and filled him with terror.
87 His figure was well developed, the glance of his eyes was dazzling,
88 His growth was manly, he was mighty from the beginning.
89 Anu, his father's begetter, saw him,
90 He exulted and smiled; his heart filled with joy.
91 Anu rendered him perfect: his divinity was remarkable,
92 And he became very lofty, excelling them in his attributes.
93 His members were incomprehensibly wonderful,
94 Incapable of being grasped with the mind, hard even to look on.
95 Four were his eyes, four his ears,
96 Flame shot forth as he moved his lips.
97 His four ears grew large,
93 And his eyes likewise took in everything.
99 His figure was lofty and superior in comparison with the gods,
100 His limbs were surpassing, his nature was superior.
101 'Mari-utu, Mari-utu,
102 The Son, the Sun-god, the Sun-god of the gods.'
103 He was clothed with the aura of the Ten Gods, so exalted was his strength,
104 The Fifty Dreads were loaded upon him.
105 Anu formed and gave birth to the four winds,
106 He delivered them to him, "My son, let them whirl!"
107 He formed dust and set a hurricane to drive it,
108 He made a wave to bring consternation on Tia-mat.
109 Tia-mat was confounded; day and night she was frantic.
110 The gods took no rest, they . . . . . . .
111 In their minds they plotted evil,
112 And addressed their mother Tia-mat,
113 "When Apsû, your spouse, was killed,
114 You did not go at his side, but sat quietly.
115 The four dreadful winds have been fashioned
116 To throw you into confusion, and we cannot sleep.
117 You gave no thought to Apsû, your spouse,
113 Nor to Mummu, who is a prisoner. Now you sit alone.
119 Henceforth you will be in frantic consternation!
120 And as for us, who cannot rest, you do not love us!
121 Consider our burden, our eyes are hollow.
122 Break the immovable yoke that we may sleep.
123 Make battle, avenge them!
124 [ . . ] . . . . reduce to nothingness!
125 Tia-mat heard, the speech pleased her,
126 (She said,) "Let us make demons, [as you] have advised."
127 The gods assembled within her.
128 They conceived [evil] against the gods their begetters.
129 They . . . . . and took the side of Tia-mat,
130 Fiercely plotting, unresting by night and day,
131 Lusting for battle, raging, storming,
132 They set up a host to bring about conflict.
133 Mother H(ubur, who forms everything,
134 Supplied irresistible weapons, and gave birth to giant serpents.
135 They had sharp teeth, they were merciless . . . .
136 With poison instead of blood she filled their bodies.
137 She clothed the fearful monsters with dread,
138 She loaded them with an aura and made them godlike.
139 (She said,) "Let their onlooker feebly perish,
140 May they constantly leap forward and never retire."
141 She created the Hydra, the Dragon, the Hairy Hero
142 The Great Demon, the Savage Dog, and the Scorpion-man,
143 Fierce demons, the Fish-man, and the Bull-man,
144 Carriers of merciless weapons, fearless in the face of battle.
145 Her commands were tremendous, not to be resisted.
146 Altogether she made eleven of that kind.
147 Among the gods, her sons, whom she constituted her host,
148 She exalted Qingu, and magnified him among them.
149 The leadership of the army, the direction of the host,
150 The bearing of weapons, campaigning, the mobilization of conflict,
151 The chief executive power of battle, supreme command,
152 She entrusted to him and set him on a throne,
153 "I have cast the spell for you and exalted you in the host of the gods,
154 I have delivered to you the rule of all the gods.
155 You are indeed exalted, my spouse, you are renowned,
156 Let your commands prevail over all the Anunnaki."
157 She gave him the Tablet of Destinies and fastened it to his breast,
158 (Saying) "Your order may not be changed; let the utterance of your mouth be firm."
159 After Qingu was elevated and had acquired the power of Anuship,
160 He decreed the destinies for the gods, her sons:
161 "May the utterance of your mouths subdue the fire-god,
162 May your poison by its accumulation put down aggression."
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I am Studying Chemical Engineering now. so
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(Aug 4, 2015, 02:08 AM)Sirrus link Wrote: I'd love to join the U.S. Air Force, and later become a Commerical Airline Pilot.

I don't mean to scare anyone, but after watching quite a lot of ACI (air crash investigations), I have learnt a lot about different effects and circumstances about aviation and flight. PM me, if you want, I'll explain more...
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Aug 7, 2015, 02:09 PM
(Aug 4, 2015, 05:42 AM)Dig link Wrote: Aviator would have a ball in this thread.

I here!

I love planes. More specifically, airliners. My ambition is to become an airline pilot, eventually making it to big ones - whatever they may be at the time.

My favourite aircraft is the Boeing 777, more specifically the -300(ER) variants.

(Aug 7, 2015, 12:51 PM)WildDorito link Wrote: I don't mean to scare anyone, but after watching quite a lot of ACI (air crash investigations), I have learnt a lot about different effects and circumstances about aviation and flight. PM me, if you want, I'll explain more...

I've also watched many Air Crash Investigation programmes and for me, it often highlights the redundancy and safety built into modern aircraft. There are tragedies that occur, but that happens in just about anything. Flying is still one of the safest forms of travel commercially bar the elevator.

(Aug 4, 2015, 02:24 AM)Tmdirtbike link Wrote: I have always wanted to be a commercial pilot. However, I don't think I could do it because wouldn't you always be away from your family?

That really depends. Karakuts pretty much explains it in his post.

I like long haul flights, because for me it seems satisfying that a 300 ton aircraft, can takeoff and fly continuously for 10+ hours, sometimes even 15-16 hours over a distance of over 8000 miles.
Long haul pilots tend to have long periods of no work, sometimes in enjoying the weather in a foreign country. Albeit long haul flying can be less "thrilling", especially because of the constant jet lag!

Money is a problem since it's hard to get started unless you're lucky enough to be taken on a cadet scheme by an airline.

But for now I am going to focus on my A Levels and try and secure a place in university to study something science related.
Cheers,
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(Aug 7, 2015, 02:09 PM)Aviator link Wrote: - snip -

[quote author=WildDorito link=topic=236.msg6855#msg6855 date=1438944706]
I don't mean to scare anyone, but after watching quite a lot of ACI (air crash investigations), I have learnt a lot about different effects and circumstances about aviation and flight. PM me, if you want, I'll explain more...

I've also watched many Air Crash Investigation programmes and for me, it often highlights the redundancy and safety built into modern aircraft. There are tragedies that occur, but that happens in just about anything. Flying is still one of the safest forms of travel commercially bar the elevator.

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I fully agree with you Aviator Smile
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(Aug 7, 2015, 12:51 PM)WildDorito link Wrote: [quote author=Sirrus link=topic=236.msg4216#msg4216 date=1438646888]
I'd love to join the U.S. Air Force, and later become a Commerical Airline Pilot.

I don't mean to scare anyone, but after watching quite a lot of ACI (air crash investigations), I have learnt a lot about different effects and circumstances about aviation and flight. PM me, if you want, I'll explain more...
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By watching "quite a lot of ACI" you're only exposing yourself to the major incidents that have occurred over the years, which, if you don't fly regularly, may cause you to see air travel as far less safe than it actually is. There's never any mention of the ~36 million uneventful scheduled commercial flights that take place each year on these TV shows.

Every time there is a major incident, there's been a tragic chain of event, and multiple redundant systems have failed for one reason or another. Whatever the case, we learn from what happens and implement changes to ensure that a similar incident cannot happen again. Over time, therefore, issues have become less common, as shown here:

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Here's some random statistics I found about your chances of dying, it includes other modes of transport among others.

Cause of death    :    YOUR ODDS
Cardiovascular disease: 1 in 2
Smoking (by/before age 35): 1 in 600
Car trip, coast-to-coast: 1 in 14,000
Bicycle accident: 1 in 88,000
Tornado: 1 in 450,000
Train, coast-to-coast: 1 in 1,000,000
Lightning: 1 in 1.9 million
Bee sting: 1 in 5.5 million
U.S. commercial jet airline: 1 in 7 million

Sources: Natural History Museum of Los Angeles County, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, University of California at Berkeley, Bureau of Aircraft Accidents Archives

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One thing I know is that Flying Schools are expensive AF.

Even if you complete the training and get your ATPL (Google it) you will have already spent more than 60-70k minimum, if you want to learn to fly a specific type of aircraft (Let's say Boeing 777) You'll need to get a special "Type Rating" (Google that too) that costs about 20k.

If money isn't a problem, the first job you'll get as a co-pilot in a small aircraft will earn you less than 25k a year. The maximum salary you can get is about 120k but after thousands of flying hours and experience.

I've also heard (I'm not entirely sure about that and it seems weird but whatever) that if you get the maximum salary from your airline (Let's say Lufthansa) but for some reason Lufthansa goes bankrupt the next job you're going to get in some other airline will pay 25k.


Check this out. https://thetruthabouttheprofession.weebly.com/
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(Aug 8, 2015, 02:49 PM)Tzimanious link Wrote: One thing I know is that Flying Schools are expensive AF.

Even if you complete the training and get your ATPL (Google it) you will have already spent more than 60-70k minimum, if you want to learn to fly a specific type of aircraft (Let's say Boeing 777) You'll need to get a special "Type Rating" (Google that too) that costs about 20k.

If money isn't a problem, the first job you'll get as a co-pilot in a small aircraft will earn you less than 25k a year. The maximum salary you can get is about 120k but after thousands of flying hours and experience.

I've also heard (I'm not entirely sure about that and it seems weird but whatever) that if you get the maximum salary from your airline (Let's say Lufthansa) but for some reason Lufthansa goes bankrupt the next job you're going to get in some other airline will pay 25k.


Check this out. https://thetruthabouttheprofession.weebly.com/

They're expensive, unless you attend a cadet course with an airline like British Airways or Qatar Airways. Here you pay the £80,000 security bond, which is gradually paid back over 7-8 years of employment when you pass the course (for the British Airways one at least).

I thought type-ratings were provided by the company. Airlines typically carry out their own training on their pilots in simulators and then that happens every so often, usually 6 months at most large airlines (this is what most of my reply is about).

Salary is determined on seniority (among a few other things) which is lost when transferring to another airline. Second and First officer's typically earning less than a Captain. Salaries are entirely dependent on the airline. For British Airways, it's usually £30,000 starting, increasing every year. Regional airlines in the USA usually start for less. In time salaries can rise to well over £100,000, in some cases £125,000+ for the most senior Captains. Emirates tend to offer around £60,000 taxed free for their pilots. So it all depends.

Being an airline pilot is typically a career or "vocation" so something you'll probably stick to for life, unless you are fired, made redundant or lose your class 1 medical certificate.

If you made it to the top at Lufthansa, as you say, starting at another airline you'll probably start a little higher than £25,000 - probably the minimum salary for a Captain, since that is what you would be at that time. Otherwise that airline would not attract any experienced pilot at all in the event of a shortage of Captains.

However for me, the salary wouldn't be the most attractive part of the job. I think the flight deck is the best office in the world!
Cheers,
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(Aug 7, 2015, 04:47 PM)Karakuts link Wrote:[quote author=WildDorito link=topic=236.msg6855#msg6855 date=1438944706]
[quote author=Sirrus link=topic=236.msg4216#msg4216 date=1438646888]
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By watching "quite a lot of ACI" you're only exposing yourself to the major incidents that have occurred over the years, which, if you don't fly regularly, may cause you to see air travel as far less safe than it actually is. There's never any mention of the ~36 million uneventful scheduled commercial flights that take place each year on these TV shows.

Every time there is a major incident, there's been a tragic chain of event, and multiple redundant systems have failed for one reason or another. Whatever the case, we learn from what happens and implement changes to ensure that a similar incident cannot happen again.
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Yea, I get that a lot, I have scared my brother out of flying Big Grin, even though my family and I are flying overseas in December. ACI is typically pre 2000's and the show always states "Flying is the safest way of travel". I'm prepared to go on a plane, because I know that the crashes are pre 2000's and they are indeed one of the safest ways of travel.

ALSO,
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Aviation has always been fascinating for me, eventhough I am not quite into it.
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