[Taylor]

Aren't Hong Kong citizens and Chinese police both Asian?
Are you are you saying that because they're Asian it must be racist?

The man wasn't from Hong Kong or China, he was from South East Asia, although it does not say specifically where from.

So he was Asian.
And the people who killed him, were also Asian.
In an Asian majority country.
In Asia.

I don't see the racist link.

Go up to a Carribean Black and an African Black and say "youre the same" and see how they react

[Doctor Internet]

The man wasn't from Hong Kong or China, he was from South East Asia, although it does not say specifically where from.

So he was Asian.
And the people who killed him, were also Asian.
In an Asian majority country.
In Asia.

I don't see the racist link.

Go up to a Carribean Black and an African Black and say "youre the same" and see how they react

Okay, sure.
How does this relate to people not being allowed to be unhappy over the repeated killing of black people in America?

[Taylor]

So he was Asian.
And the people who killed him, were also Asian.
In an Asian majority country.
In Asia.

I don't see the racist link.

Go up to a Carribean Black and an African Black and say "youre the same" and see how they react

Okay, sure.
How does this relate to people not being allowed to be unhappy over the repeated killing of black people in America?

You've missed my point completely, it's not about "people not being allowed to be unhappy over the repeated killing of black people in America?", it's the fact people don't seem to care about racism when it happens to anyone other than black people.

[Jen]

Go up to a Carribean Black and an African Black and say "youre the same" and see how they react

Okay, sure.
How does this relate to people not being allowed to be unhappy over the repeated killing of black people in America?

You've missed my point completely, it's not about "people not being allowed to be unhappy over the repeated killing of black people in America?", it's the fact people don't seem to care about racism when it happens to anyone other than black people.

You'd be right about the fact that injustice and discrimination happens to more than just the black community. But if we don't have a hope in hell of fixing this issue then how are we going to fix the others such as,

Ableism
Women's rights
Human rights
etc, (it's 11pm this isn't my prime time for lists)

If we can't fix one the fuck me, we have no hope in fixing the rest at all.
I'll finish off with this video, it's not our fault that we have an advantage over others as people's situations are better in certain cases. But, we can recognise it and help others from the situation that they are in, instead of leaving them behind. If we can do it to them, we can do it to more in the future, change needs to happen and it doesn't because people are too stubborn and afraid of it to take place. Anyways

[Doctor Internet]

Go up to a Carribean Black and an African Black and say "youre the same" and see how they react

Okay, sure.
How does this relate to people not being allowed to be unhappy over the repeated killing of black people in America?

You've missed my point completely, it's not about "people not being allowed to be unhappy over the repeated killing of black people in America?", it's the fact people don't seem to care about racism when it happens to anyone other than black people.

Eh, my bad.
I've just been a bit confused, since you started by saying that no protests were peaceful, or that people shouldn't be protesting in the UK or whatever it was on page 4, then shifted to #AllLivesMatter (which is a pretty well known phrase within "anti-BLM" segment, stating that black lives don't matter more. That's obviously true, all lives matter, black lives matter isn't "black lives matter more", rather "black lives matter too", then that you can't stop racists until it's too late (after agreeing with a post that stated it wasn't a race issue). You were then called on that, and pivoted onto "I never said it wasn't murder" when that wasn't what people said of you. You then agreed with posts that stated that all lives are equal because the law decrees it, ignoring the fact that criminals can, and often do, break laws, before finally switching to "what about Hong Kong".

It's been such a rollercoaster, I'd accuse you of trolling.









I'm sure you're not trolling though.

[Taylor]

Okay, sure.
How does this relate to people not being allowed to be unhappy over the repeated killing of black people in America?

You've missed my point completely, it's not about "people not being allowed to be unhappy over the repeated killing of black people in America?", it's the fact people don't seem to care about racism when it happens to anyone other than black people.

Eh, my bad.
I've just been a bit confused, since you started by saying that no protests were peaceful, or that people shouldn't be protesting in the UK or whatever it was on page 4, then shifted to #AllLivesMatter (which is a pretty well known phrase within "anti-BLM" segment, stating that black lives don't matter more. That's obviously true, all lives matter, black lives matter isn't "black lives matter more", rather "black lives matter too", then that you can't stop racists until it's too late (after agreeing with a post that stated it wasn't a race issue). You were then called on that, and pivoted onto "I never said it wasn't murder" when that wasn't what people said of you. You then agreed with posts that stated that all lives are equal because the law decrees it, ignoring the fact that criminals can, and often do, break laws, before finally switching to "what about Hong Kong".

It's been such a rollercoaster, I'd accuse you of trolling.

I'm sure you're not trolling though.

I'm not trolling, I truly believe everything I have said is justified

[Jeff Ford]

You've missed my point completely, it's not about "people not being allowed to be unhappy over the repeated killing of black people in America?", it's the fact people don't seem to care about racism when it happens to anyone other than black people.

Eh, my bad.
I've just been a bit confused, since you started by saying that no protests were peaceful, or that people shouldn't be protesting in the UK or whatever it was on page 4, then shifted to #AllLivesMatter (which is a pretty well known phrase within "anti-BLM" segment, stating that black lives don't matter more. That's obviously true, all lives matter, black lives matter isn't "black lives matter more", rather "black lives matter too", then that you can't stop racists until it's too late (after agreeing with a post that stated it wasn't a race issue). You were then called on that, and pivoted onto "I never said it wasn't murder" when that wasn't what people said of you. You then agreed with posts that stated that all lives are equal because the law decrees it, ignoring the fact that criminals can, and often do, break laws, before finally switching to "what about Hong Kong".

It's been such a rollercoaster, I'd accuse you of trolling.

I'm sure you're not trolling though.

I'm not trolling, I truly believe everything I have said is justified

Good grief that's even worse.

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[goigle]

I mean what's 1 random man China's killed when they have however many million in re-education camps. Not surprising no one in the west protested about that

[Hungames]

Good grief that's even worse.

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I've seen the cartoon circulating a ton these past few days and it's obviously a strawman and pretty stupid. Yes there are people who chant All Lives Matter since they are racist and don't like black people. Sure. On the other hand, there are also people who use BLM as a movement against white people because they are racist and do not like black people. Sure. 

One issue that people have with BLM is that it only focuses on white vs black. The organization does not get mad when black people kill other black people, which is overwhelmingly the case. People say all lives matter in opposition to the white vs black idea and believe that all lives matter, no matter who is the killer or the person being killed. 

The cartoon is not at all representative of most people who say all lives matter. What most people want is for every death to be treated the same. If a black person kills a black person, they want it to be viewed the same way as if a white person kills a black person. They are not saying black lives do not matter and that when a black man is wrongly killed it does not matter. Instead, they are saying view everything on an equal playing field and have the same outrage when anyone is wrongly killed, regardless of race. 


On an unrelated note, one issue with so many people during all this tension is they think shaming people will change their views. When people say "white silence is violence" and other catchphrases, it only serves to turn more people to the other side. It's similar to what happened with Trump and many moderates. Many moderates learned of his views and went to his rallies just to learn what he is about. As they enter, there are people screaming at them, calling them racists, and expecting them to change. Instead, they see the leftist protestors as crazy people who are shaming them for something they are not and Trump supporters as a welcoming group of people. It's a terribly stupid approach and it will never work. 

You change people's views through exposure. An example is Daryl Davis. He is a black man who got a lot of guys in the KKK to change their minds by exposing them to black people. They were told black people are terrible, but once they met him and saw he is a great person and musician, they changed their views. They were exposed to black people and changed. If they were shamed for hating black people, they would not have changed.

The rhetoric surrounding the current issues needs to change. People need to stop thinking they can shame others into changing their beliefs. You don't make someone go from being racist to an ally by calling them a racist publicly and getting them fired from their job or any other negative consequence that comes from the label. You don't cancel people, you expose them and change them.

[Hungames]

I mean what's 1 random man China's killed when they have however many million in re-education camps. Not surprising no one in the west protested about that

Yeah ask 99% of Americans who the Uyghurs are and they will have no idea. There are millions of them in "re-education camps" but no one is batting an eye since it's not an American issue. We selectively care about the issues that affect us and that's really just human nature.

[richie]

@"Faustin"‍ Wow you really think that this movement is all about riots and looting; you are part of this problem. How is it that every other BLM protest in London so far has been peaceful then? Stop spreading fear when all these people are trying to spread is love and equality.

#AllLivesMatter

The #BlackLivesMatter hashtag isn't saying everyone else's lives don't matter, it's saying that all lives do matter, but RIGHT NOW, black lives are in danger, and people are being hurt for their colour. All lives do matter yes, but white people aren't being prejudiced.

[Tails]

Women's rights

we fixed that one like 100 years ago my friend, welcome to the modern era

[Ocelotus]

a lot of people still don't seem to realize that a lot of the violent protests are caused by police. i've been going to protests in the cities near mine for the past week and they're all been peaceful until police came and started using force on us. a few days ago, the police told the crowd to back up and we did. while we were moving, an officer pushed a man onto the ground and every time he tried to get back up he was just pushed down again. after about a minute, the officer took that man into custody for "resisting orders." 

the police have taken away our constitutional right to peacefully protest.

[Quest]

Just wait until Sunday, shit is supposed to kick off in London

Oh no! A peaceful protest how terrifying!

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Oof

13 People arrested out of the thousands protesting on the streets - sounds so violent to me.

[Tails]

13 People arrested out of the thousands protesting on the streets - sounds so violent to me.

In a riot, police only arrest the leaders of the mob - the ones who are instigating violence and "hyping up the crowd". If they tried to go for everyone, they would be overwhelmed almost immediately. This is one of the reasons why mass rioting (not protesting) is done in large numbers, because people know they will get away with it 95% of the time.

On another note, I like how nobody even acknowledge the link that goilge posted showing a white man being killed in the same manner 3 years ago, does anyone remember those riots?