[Vinic]

@"Theo"‍ with all respect although at first you make some good points you seemed to go off to a more. Staff report esque feel than talking about the subject of LL being boring wouldnt it possibly be better to post that stuff on there instead of here?

Are you saying I should post a staff report? Or start another discussion?

id say if its a big issue to you definetely a staff report or if you more wish to rant id say open another discussion or something as i dont feel this thread is the place for it

I did bring this to HR a year ago, but nothing was done. It was chalked up to "LL clan drama" rather than an actual statement about his character. I know for a fact that this wouldn't go anywhere in a staff report, thus it is just better to post it as a rant.

[Mrhowe]

Are you saying I should post a staff report? Or start another discussion?

id say if its a big issue to you definetely a staff report or if you more wish to rant id say open another discussion or something as i dont feel this thread is the place for it

I did bring this to HR a year ago, but nothing was done. It was chalked up to "LL clan drama" rather than an actual statement about his character. I know for a fact that this wouldn't go anywhere in a staff report, thus it is just better to post it as a rant.

there again i still dont think this thread is the place to rant about it.

[Vinic]

There's so much shit in this thread I have read, and both agree and disagree with, but there's one point I'd like to point out, specifically, not for any reason, but for it being the last thing I read.

Oh yeah. Remove racism from the server. Fuck that stupid shit. Being racist is not fun at all, it's toxic in all the wrong ways. Maybe allow it only if I can take out my P90 and mow down anyone who calls me a tranny, because believe me that shit happens a lot and they're protected because it was "in character". But you know what? Even when it didn't happen in-character and happened in the admin sit, you know what? The guy got away with it. Nothing happened. 

We did.
And then we got 80% of the community who wanted it back.
https://limelightgaming.net/forums/thread-24800.html

A thread full of such comments like "FUCKIN LIBTARDRP",
"they're literally just finding more reasons to ban people",
"now i cant call someone a faggot ic when i mean it ooc frick",

I remember this! I remember when it happened and at the time I believe my opinion was that it should stay, just with stricter enforcement. I see the flaw in my idea now. 

This is something which cannot be enforced. And also, I've seen both sides of the fence now. Back then, nobody knew I was transgender. After coming out to the community and playing as a girl in-game, I now see a bit of what other people have talked about in the past. It's rarely targeted harassment, but more of just obnoxious, toxic shit people say in passing. I remember one time where I was sitting in backstreet and then the president and vp came up and called me a tranny and laughed at it (they sounded intoxicated over their mics, probably two friends just messing around) then drove off. Though I can easily brush it off as I have very thick skin, but that just left a bitter taste in my mouth. 

We really want to have a community where people can just drive up and yell slurs at someone else and send adverts saying n*gger and other shit? No! Of course not! We want a place where people come to have fun. If that's the case, then why are we facilitating this toxic behaviour? Permitting this has brought no good to anyone. Name me one "RP" where calling a black person a "n*gger" has served to benefit and make things more fun? My point here is not to have things be sterile and clean, remove racism because we're politically correct little cuckbags. No. It's because it's toxic. It's toxic in real life so why would we want to permit this toxicity in-game where it is amplified greatly by the fact that there are no consequences for behaving in such a way? Rhetorical question, the point is that we shouldn't be allowing it.

Proposal: Make LL fun again by first banning the use of racism/slurs.

[Vinic]

id say if its a big issue to you definetely a staff report or if you more wish to rant id say open another discussion or something as i dont feel this thread is the place for it

I did bring this to HR a year ago, but nothing was done. It was chalked up to "LL clan drama" rather than an actual statement about his character. I know for a fact that this wouldn't go anywhere in a staff report, thus it is just better to post it as a rant.

there again i still dont think this thread is the place to rant about it.

Well this is where I will rant about it regardless. If this thread is about making LL fun again, then this thread I've made points out some major issues which have affected the servers overall. This goes deeper than just "add more content". There's more to it than that.

[Guv]

im gonna be honest the feeling of the gamemode is getting slow, i went on the game the other day bout 20 odd players on. and main st was empty. 

and theo is right in saying that people are waiting for someone else to something fun. i hardly find any RP going down any more. course we get things like the nuclear emergency and stuff. generally though theres seems to be nothing much going on  unless someone decides to set something up. and thats a gamble then if you can even do said RP if the right people on (I tried to do my house fire on one occasion, but no admins or FD were on to help me with that) i cant have a house fire with no FD to put it out. 

it seems within the last week the player count seems to be hitting the point of the last few weeks of true north we had. some days it can be quite a nice player count but its generally seems to be slipping. do we need a new map?. new content?. i dont have a clue. Id love South side to play on as a new map!. id also like a dispatch system to use in game. im sure other people can come up with great ideas for that kind of stuff. 

recently ive noticed the player base is consisting of new/fairly new players. and evocity is full of shops that are empty and houses that are just blank. how are these new players going to interact with them for their first 10 hours before they can even learn how to use Adv. Dupes and the basics of the build server.

South side though...the glory of ready furnished places. i can see players just walking in there and getting going with something good.  i say ready furnished, maybe some of the places need some props to brighten the place up. but very little does it need to function basically. the worry that has come to me now is that "will this happen to us come 6 months time, when the players are sick of the map and want something else?" i think it probably would. but what can i do as a teacher to HELP i tend to think sometimes, and usually i think Nothing,

 i have no talent in map changing or content related stuff, or developing all together.  when the player count is low i think i cant help no one if theirs no one on to help :/. which tends to put me off joining the server altogether which is as from spending a year on the server i experienced what joining a quiet server during a supposed peak time is like during the last stages of true north. having a low player count is agonising. as i think to myself i could be on there with my restaurant or doing a shift with mercy hospital or some other RP idea i have in mind. 

but then when i open up the forums to have a look how many players are in the server, i see the number 10 and i look at the time and its about 6 ish British time 
and again i think to myself  "the server is usually booming at this time" and from true north i used to go on there with a player count of about 10 and the map was dead, probably people camping in the mountains,no RP whatsoever. and im scared evocity is now slowly going the same way. god forbid it does though. because limelight could really shine. maybe if we went to southside then worked on cranking out some content.

[Nudel]

Oh yeah. Remove racism from the server. Fuck that stupid shit. Being racist is not fun at all, it's toxic in all the wrong ways. Maybe allow it only if I can take out my P90 and mow down anyone who calls me a tranny, because believe me that shit happens a lot and they're protected because it was "in character". But you know what? Even when it didn't happen in-character and happened in the admin sit, you know what? The guy got away with it. Nothing happened. 

Ranting 24/7 about rules limiting RP but a whole RP aspect, in this case, racism, has to be removed because you got butthurt? That's not how it works. If you can not deal with such stuff on a gmod server, then no rule can really help you.

Ruining RP by killing officers and citizens in the city for 5 days straight, up to 8 hours a day and you say "racist is no fun at all :(, remove it >:(, it ruins RP". Bruh. That's ridiculous.

[Vauld]

I think there's a lot of nitty gritty things that can be argued about. But I think as a whole the direction of LimeLight is not great. You guys have such a fantastic team of contributors, developers and a community that is trying very hard to make things work. But some people are the top are steering the community into oblivion.

Has anyone ever stepped back and asked themselves, what are we trying to do here? Are we trying to make a fun community that's lighthearted, are we trying to make a serious roleplay server, is gmod even the right platform for this community or are we hitting a technical performance wall? It pains me to see this community flounder with no direction. The stuff your developers are producing is incredible, you have a community that still sticks around even though the server is boring af, you have people willing to contribute time and money to keep things running.

So what is going wrong? It's not rocket science - there is no clear leadership or direction for the community. The staff team needs to have a little meeting and figure out what the hell they are doing, and who's in charge. Work with the community, figure out what makes sense and roll with it. At least pick some sort of direction.

[Vinic]

Oh yeah. Remove racism from the server. Fuck that stupid shit. Being racist is not fun at all, it's toxic in all the wrong ways. Maybe allow it only if I can take out my P90 and mow down anyone who calls me a tranny, because believe me that shit happens a lot and they're protected because it was "in character". But you know what? Even when it didn't happen in-character and happened in the admin sit, you know what? The guy got away with it. Nothing happened. 

Ranting 24/7 about rules limiting RP but a whole RP aspect, in this case, racism, has to be removed because you got butthurt? That's not how it works. If you can not deal with such stuff on a gmod server, then no rule can really help you.

Ruining RP by killing officers and citizens in the city for 5 days straight, up to 8 hours a day and you say "racist is no fun at all :(, remove it >:(, it ruins RP". Bruh. That's ridiculous.

Hahahahahahahaha. I think you've truly misunderstood my point. I can take it. I have taken it. But just because I can take it, and continue to go on, doesn't change the fact that it's toxic. If this thread is about making LL less boring, hence more fun, then we need to address the fact that this is toxic shit which doesn't add anything good. 

Are we trying to create a 'realistic' experience? Yes. Are people racist in real life? Yes. Is it a good thing that people are racist in real life? No. If that's the case, and you agree with me, then why are we fostering this on LL and encouraging this level of toxicity? Why do we want to have a toxic community where this stuff is allowed to fester? Why do we allow this to continue where we have had people leave in the past due to the toxicity?

[Nudel]

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We really want to have a community where people can just drive up and yell slurs at someone else and send adverts saying n*gger and other shit? No! Of course not!
Name me one "RP" where calling a black person a "n*gger" has served to benefit and make things more fun? 

Proposal: Make LL fun again by first banning the use of racism/slurs.

I'll edit your suggestion a bit.

We really want to have a community where people bait the police force into an obvious doomfort by running on Mainstreet in front of the nexus with an AR in your hands, to just slaughter officers and everyone just coming near you for 8 hours? No! Of course not!
Name me one "RP" were shooting the entire police force for no reason has served to benefit and make things more fun?

Proposal: Ban the minges involved permanently.

Edit: Your "RP" is as toxic as the racism IG.

[Vinic]

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We really want to have a community where people can just drive up and yell slurs at someone else and send adverts saying n*gger and other shit? No! Of course not!
Name me one "RP" where calling a black person a "n*gger" has served to benefit and make things more fun? 

Proposal: Make LL fun again by first banning the use of racism/slurs.

I'll edit your suggestion a bit.

We really want to have a community where people bait the police force into an obvious doomfort by running on Mainstreet in front of the nexus with an AR in your hands, to just slaughter officers and everyone just coming near you for 8 hours? No! Of course not!
Name me one "RP" were shooting the entire police force for no reason has served to benefit and make things more fun?

Proposal: Ban the minges involved permanently.

Edit: Your "RP" is as toxic as the racism IG.

Aha. Yes. I see your point. And I'm glad we both agree here. Me shooting things up and racism in-game are both toxic. So by your logic now, how about we remove racism? I've already received my punishment for the stuff I did. So now, by your logic, let's move to remove racism if you agree that it's toxic.

[Vauld]

Again, stop arguing nitty gritty. Look at my post above. Yall about to derail this whole thread.

I think there's a lot of nitty gritty things that can be argued about. But I think as a whole the direction of LimeLight is not great. You guys have such a fantastic team of contributors, developers and a community that is trying very hard to make things work. But some people are the top are steering the community into oblivion.

Has anyone ever stepped back and asked themselves, what are we trying to do here? Are we trying to make a fun community that's lighthearted, are we trying to make a serious roleplay server, is gmod even the right platform for this community or are we hitting a technical performance wall? It pains me to see this community flounder with no direction. The stuff your developers are producing is incredible, you have a community that still sticks around even though the server is boring af, you have people willing to contribute time and money to keep things running.

So what is going wrong? It's not rocket science - there is no clear leadership or direction for the community. The staff team needs to have a little meeting and figure out what the hell they are doing, and who's in charge. Work with the community, figure out what makes sense and roll with it. At least pick some sort of direction.

[Brin.]

Its been boring forever after all its a CityRP server, what do you expect?

[Brin.]

I always find it amusing that the people who create and comment on these sort of threads are either inactive and haven't been on the server in months to years (Which is understandable if you're not enjoying it anymore) or are active but are having to be spoken too on a fairly regular basis by staff for things that are bordering on rule breaks / end up as rule breaks. (Monkey and Catfish being the only two exceptions to this so far funnily enough.) I'm looking forward to seeing if people that play regularly and enjoy the servers speak up as I'd like to see the other side of the coin to this as well.

The people who do enjoy it are:
1.Mafia RPers(Robbers)
2.Cops

There it is, cops and robbers. PassiveRP just isn't a thing on the server. Only time you get it is in events.

[Brin.]

the only fun i have nowadays is any type of shootout and even then they will try and make a rule breakage out of it if the salty ass cops lose the gunfight...

then youre not thinking creatively enough, theres alot of passive rp that can be done not everything has to be a gunfight and even non passive rp can be done without just shootouts.

You can make a shop as it is CITYRP no one will interact withit.

[Quest]

Its been boring forever after all its a CityRP server, what do you expect?

Why do you have over 1500 hours on the server if you find it "boring forever"