[Brin.]

Reported Players: conmitchell606 (STEAM_0:0:520574479) , Pablo Escobar (STEAM_0:1:525937150) , ✪Nacho Cheese Dorito Bag (STEAM_0:1:106963981) (@Jack Loftol) , oobrie (STEAM_0:0:60371714) (@Oobrie) , iDankCai (STEAM_0:1:164046655) (@'iDankCai')
Server: EU Live
Time: 2020-Jan-18 21:06
Summary: Spawned in, big riot when no president. Mass RDM to the police force with little to no RP behind it. No /requests, no /adverts. Straight up killing over and over.
Evidence:

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[Cicero]

Ok so some context, me and oobrie set up a passive rp protesting the current President, there was one at that time but left at the time Brin was on, and a bunch of random people, (everyone that wasn't me and oobrie) hijacked this protest rp and got guns and molotovs out, and because of that the police opened fire on everyone.

I didn't see these people attack first I actually saw one of the police shooting first, but that's probably because these people where openly carrying weapons.

These people aren't grouped with us or linked with us 2, they randomly hijacked our protest and decided to turn it into a RDM fest.

There was a few more people but I am not sure there names.

[Oobrie]

Hello, I'm mentioned in this report.

I used molotovs / paintbombs during the RiotRP in a passive sense to create atmosphere at the beginning. That is, that molotovs were thrown at props I had spawned in the barricade and paint bombs were used in the same area to simulate smoke flares. The only weapon I had equipped at this time was a baseball bat used to hit windows / vehicles to simulate an actual protest.

However, a lone police officer parked himself in a Ford Interceptor at Main Street and saw fit to start shooting at the protesters, at which point I armed myself with a super shooty. After this point, any person who spawned in as 'Police Officer' usually followed the same dicta, using the Nexus Interior as cover to shoot through the glass window at people participating in the riot RP.

I can't speak for other people, but I only aimed to kill / directly attack Govt. roles when they shot at me. The logs will substantiate this. I was hoping to create a RiotRP with iDankCal with Govt. roles using riot shields / ASP batons, perhaps even tactical use of vehicles. This was, however - consistently amongst Police / SWAT who flagged on - substituted with instead firing on the crowd.

I would argue that my response in defending myself with firearms against Govt. officials who used firearms to attempt to disperse the riot was reasonable.


Everything said, I've watched the evidence you've submitted to completion and I cannot see any actual sighting of myself, let alone what you are accusing. I'd like to ask why you've used my username / SteamID in this report, considering none of the footage you have uploaded shows me taking any directly aggressive action against Police / SWAT.

It's nothing personal at all Brin, and I hope it's the same for you. I've played with you previously and know that you are an outstanding RPer. I do think that this report was made in error, however, and all IC action taken was reasonable - if not by other parties involved - at the very least, by myself.

[Brin.]

Hello, I'm mentioned in this report.

I used molotovs / paintbombs during the RiotRP in a passive sense to create atmosphere at the beginning. That is, that molotovs were thrown at props I had spawned in the barricade and paint bombs were used in the same area to simulate smoke flares. The only weapon I had equipped at this time was a baseball bat used to hit windows / vehicles to simulate an actual protest.

However, a lone police officer parked himself in a Ford Interceptor at Main Street and saw fit to start shooting at the protesters, at which point I armed myself with a super shooty. After this point, any person who spawned in as 'Police Officer' usually followed the same dicta, using the Nexus Interior as cover to shoot through the glass window at people participating in the riot RP.

I can't speak for other people, but I only aimed to kill / directly attack Govt. roles when they shot at me. The logs will substantiate this. I was hoping to create a RiotRP with iDankCal with Govt. roles using riot shields / ASP batons, perhaps even tactical use of vehicles. This was, however - consistently amongst Police / SWAT who flagged on - substituted with instead firing on the crowd.

I would argue that my response in defending myself with firearms against Govt. officials who used firearms to attempt to disperse the riot was reasonable.


Everything said, I've watched the evidence you've submitted to completion and I cannot see any actual sighting of myself, let alone what you are accusing. I'd like to ask why you've used my username / SteamID in this report, considering none of the footage you have uploaded shows me taking any directly aggressive action against Police / SWAT.

It's nothing personal at all Brin, and I hope it's the same for you. I've played with you previously and know that you are an outstanding RPer. I do think that this report was made in error, however, and all IC action taken was reasonable - if not by other parties involved - at the very least, by myself.

Oobrie I agree I did not see you shoot at anyone. You were part of the group, like iDankCai, you two started it. After the president left, why continue the riot? You did your job. You got what you wanted. But you kept rioting and throwing molotovs at the nexus, at officer and (I don't know if this way you) throwing molotovs at the nexus elevator. After you got the president to 'resign' or they left. You both continued to throw molotovs, smoke bombs edging on the police to react.

iDankCai had spawned several catapults in the road blocking off the whole intersection for anyone. They were frozen and he did remove once I mentioned it. Even if you did or did not kill us, I needed the context of the situation as you see in the video I have just spawned. It looked ugly and I wanted it gone hence my 'application' for SWAT to get you guys out the area and the 'riot' finished.

I do agree the other (3) players, I do think there were more involved, were taking it to extremes to kill police every time they spawn. Me, Dutch and other government officials did tell them in OOC/voice multiple times what they were doing.

Oobrie, iDankCai you are in the report, like I said to iDankCai multiple times before the report was made, for the context and how it all started as in my eyes you were with that group. I know that you were not involved in the shooting but you were what started it. I have nothing against you both. Oobrie I love your RP's and the detail you go into, it is a shame that the others got involved how they did but you were all there.

[Reebs]

Under review.

[Reebs]

After a quick review of the evidence, there are a few questions left unanswered. 

Why did the riot continue after the president left? As Brin said, you had done your job. There was no sizeable government force to try and dispose of, nor was there even a president to protest against. 

Further, and this is the most important question, in my opinion, who fired the first shot of the altercation? Surely Police wouldn't realistically decide to just open fire on a riot and would at least attempt a non-lethal solution.

I will take a more detailed look into the evidence tomorrow, however it would be much appreciated if the above questions were answered.

[Oobrie]

Hello.

It was without any trace of a doubt the Police that shot first. 
I cannot speak for anyone else involved in this report, but as for myself, I only armed up after being shot at by a Police Officer after he parked his Ford Interceptor on Main Street. Myself and others involved tried to take cover behind props / barriers spawned in the riot burn he would not stop shooting.

Ny understanding is that the riot transformed at this point from something of an anti-government RP to an anti-police RP. My aim, in-character, was to disrupt and harass police through vandalism and protest - not by shooting police or coaxing them into firefights.

Whether or not others shared the same aim is not for me to say.

[Brin.]

After a quick review of the evidence, there are a few questions left unanswered. 

Why did the riot continue after the president left? As Brin said, you had done your job. There was no sizeable government force to try and dispose of, nor was there even a president to protest against. 

Further, and this is the most important question, in my opinion, who fired the first shot of the altercation? Surely Police wouldn't realistically decide to just open fire on a riot and would at least attempt a non-lethal solution.

I will take a more detailed look into the evidence tomorrow, however it would be much appreciated if the above questions were answered.

Unfortunately I can not answer that question as I joined the server in the middle of all this. I pretty sure someone was looking into logs, but that will be the only way to tell who started the altercation. But I know 100% Oobrie and iDankCai didn't start the shooting it is mainly the others who need punishment, in my opinion.

Oobrie and iDankCai were mainly included for the context behind it all and as to why the riot was taking place after the President was no longer in power.

[Reebs]

I'd like to apologize for the delay in handling this case. It would seem that everything which has happened here happened much too quickly to be able to tell exactly what had kicked everyone off from the video alone. That being said, I did some digging in the server logs to try and bring some light to the situation.

A few highlights from what I found:
-Pablo Escobar seems to have had the first kill of the situation. 
-He managed to kill another person and was finally taken down by a Police Officer minutes later.
-Pablo Escobar then rejoined the shootout in which he was killed after 4 minutes passed.
-Oobrie made it very clear in local OOC that he was recording and subsequently reporting what had happened.

Given what I was able to gather from the logs, it seems clear to me that Pablo Escobar had kicked off the shootout and everyone else may have been acting in self-defense. The logs are inconclusive after that point. In the video, it is also not clear to see exactly who did what. This is not the fault of the video creator, however, given everything happened so quickly it was difficult to keep track of. I also found, both in the logs and it is evident in the video, an NLR violation from Pablo Escobar as he rejoined the same shootout he was killed in less than 4 minutes later. 

This report is approved and the following punishment has been issued:
Pablo Escobar has been found guilty of a few counts of RDM and an NLR violation and will receive a four-hour weapon and NLR blacklist. 

If there are any questions or concerns, please feel free to reach out to me.

Punishment issued, report approved.

Closing and moving to approved.