[Cicero]

I see the what you're saying but they're not relevant since I 
A) Didn't kidnap anyone.
B) I walked off which is literally the complete opposite of kidnapping.
C) Made a joke about doing it, if you watched the video I was punching him while singing 'love is a open door', that was to add to my lunatic person RP. 

You tell me that because I asked about it it means I was going to do it, another opinion, If I ask to RDM someone, you say no, then they come trying to mug me and I had a gun out and shoot him, would you ignore that context of the situation and ban me because I asked about it earlier and I did kill him? This is the same context but different situation, I asked to kidnap someone, you said no, I went around screaming random things and you pick out the one thing I said about kidnapping, which I didn't do.

I don't think it is fair to bring up my past punishments and again, cover up the facts with opinions. The fact is, I didn't kidnap anyone, I know I didn't kidnap and I know I couldn't of, you seem to forget that I couldn't even do it even if I wanted to so saying I started a RP is foolish since the RP would of been possible since he was armed at the time.

And as for the arguing with decisions,I wouldn't say arguing I would say putting my point across because often admins aren't willing to hear my opinions and just cut me off,but I guess it's true, I rebel against things that don't make sense to me.

Furthermore, I still don't see why I was banned as I the reasons I mentioned before, no actual kidnapping had occurred, just words and your opinion is what had me banned, I can't believe as a mod you would take someones word on something and not even take my side until after the punishment is conducted, this brings me back to the original thing I said about you are wanting me to be banned and not having to ban me.

[Cicero]

And sorry to bring up past points but you are substituting my context with your opinion which has no proof other then me asking about something similar earlier, even though the reasons I give should forgive that, example me RPing a crazy person as I mentioned many times.

[Doctor Internet]

No, I'm providing my context, what I saw, and how it aligns with your history. If you want to state your opinion that your words have no way of linking to actions, when you have a history of doing exactly that, feel free to replace my context with your opinion.

[Cicero]

What I am saying is not a opinion, it is a fact, you giving your backround experiences and listening to someone else then making a judgement, that is a opinion, I gave you facts that should change your opinion I am not giving my opinion to change yours. The fact is I roleplayed as a crazy man, and I showed proof of doing that in the video, but you overlook this like it's nothing because of your prior opinion.
And please list times when I have used words to show actions I generally want to know? Like the time when I said I would kidnap your dog? Is your dog missing? Seems that I do completely the opposite and this situation proves I make joke threats, and this was one of those jokes that I did in character.

[henryhouse12]

@Doctor Internet‍ @Night‍ , Just to say, I was the one who did report him and I am going to be open about that as I would like to supply screenshots of some very heartfelt messages he sent me to further help you decide whether or not to unban him!

So about 10 minutes ago, I got a message out of the blue, from iDankCai on discord. We have talked before, maybe once or twice, and we were friendly with each other! Here comes the first message I was really not expecting: 

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I then go back to check and notice he has edited his messages after I have blocked him, to something that really bothered me which I will explain in a minute: 

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The reason the second one really bothered  me is because I have been in a dark place, leading to suicide and the fact that he said that really hit home for me as I know I am not the only one, and definitely won't be the last one on Limelight to suffer from either depression or suicidal thoughts! I do not think it is acceptable to say this type of thing! I just wanted to share this to further help your decision! If I was not allowed to post on this, I think I am entitled to as I was the reporter and I have had some nasty messages sent to me in correlation to this incident, please tell me so I can fix the issue and send this to the correct people to deal with this! 

For some reason, lying came into it...? I sent an @ call explaining that he was trying to get me to grow drugs or something (can't the remember the situation tbh) and an admin dealt with said @ call! I was a chef at the time.

Thanks,

henryhouse12

[Cicero]

Funny how you decide to crop the messages, I went back to our DM to see that you deleted the message you sent to me first, doesn't add up to randomly just message someone insulting them. You were poking fun at me for getting banned and generally insulting it and making fun of the effort I made into this appeal. And yes I did get angry because you messaged me a good 10 times and I ignored it, until it repeatedly kept on spamming my discord with you poking fun at me getting banned.

For what really happened, he joined my discord (see screenshot) and started DMing me insulting me right after. And you may say I could of DM'd him first, no I couldn't actually because I didn't know it was henry as his discord name is different to his steam, which he shows his name is different in his screenshot and I show in mine.

I don't know what your problem is I don't know why you are so keen in getting me banned, if you hated me as a person fine I don't care but to manipulate our conversation and put it on a appeal I have been making for a whole week to try and misdirect people and basically try waste the week I spent trying to get unbanned is the most pathetic thing I have seen.

From previous accounts of my insulting people in OOC you may point to that, but I have always done it when someone has wound me up, like what he has done here on my personal account which is apart of my personal life outside of Limelight, what he is doing here is basically harassing me in and out of Limelight.

Henry, you really show you want to get me banned, as well as manipulating screenshots and posting them on this appeal as well as tagging the admins so they definitely see it, you create or tell some sort of story for them to give you sympathy, you are attempting to tug at their emotions to really try to get me banned. And don't go to my PERSONAL accounts and harass me, I do not care if you hate me on Limelight what happens on Limelight stays here don't leak out to my life. 

Admins I know this would probably not happen but I think some sort of repercussion should happen for him trying to maliciously sabotage my appeal. 

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[henryhouse12]

Okay, to reply to your last message,

Making claims that I was mocking you, and not supplying evidence is just strange. I did not send any messages beforehand and if I did, then you can prove it yourself. I would not try and maliciously sabotage someone's appeal, I do not think it is acceptable to send those sort of messages to me, or to anyone for that matter and thought it pertinent to the case of your ban.

You also sent an image of me joining a server, claiming harassment. Literally, I could say "Night you have been harassing me for joining a server" with your logic there. 

I understand you think I am trying to have a go at you here, but I am not letting messages come into my private inbox, for a matter that is being handled by admins already and let it slide. So to, I am not letting you claim I sent messages I did not and I would quite frankly like to see your evidence!

Also if someone winds someone up it does not give them permission to say things like "Kill yourself" to them, regardless of how mean they have been to you. I wish I could take that advice and turn the other cheek (not that I have told someone to kill themselves but I have made situations worse by getting angry). I do not think it appropriate to send something like that in a private area, where I expect to receive nice messages and not getting a message on a Tuesday night telling me to kill myself.

I hope you can see where I am coming from both iDankCai and the admins looking over this post. You can see I did not edit my messages. As to iDankCai, I would like to see your evidence of me winding you up so that if I have in some way I know how to fix it or to prove my point, I did not send any other messages other than those shown on the image. 

I don't see why anything I did was wrong as I was supplying evidence of his abuse towards me, because I got him banned for breaking rules. I do and have said that even if people are my friends, it does not give the excuse for them to not be "snitched" on by me. If I broke a rule, I would expect to get punished for it. I have done this with Guv, Sammy, and others. They are my friends, they broke rules, and they got a punishment. Fair enough in my eyes.

So to further explain why I brought up the suicide, I am sure I, and many others agree that telling someone to kill themselves is not acceptable at all! I was not wanting admins to sympathize with me and to be honest my suicide should and will not I hope to effect the outcome of this appeal. I do not appreciate YOU harassing me by sending those awful messages and frankly telling me to kill myself which I do not in any way appreciate! If you had just let it be, and not sent those messages none of these messages tonight would have been sent at all!

If you do have any replies to this @"iDankCai"‍ or any of the admins in charge of this(not going to tag again as it was in my last post) then you are more than welcome to reply and/or quote, however please refrain from pm'ing me about this specific incident!

Thanks, have a good evening,

henryhouse12

[Cicero]

Hnery make sure to read this whole thing.
You really know how to brush over a topic with no thought to it don't you? And if you wind someone up, don't be surprised if something bad happens to you, if you go on the street and annoy people and get your jaw cracked, don't try to say 'well that's still unacceptable' it wouldn't of happened if you didn't antagonise it. 
And if you're going to deny everything I say, and by the looks of your reply I doubt you even read my entire post, I have no intention to argue with you because you come into the argument with no intent to have your mind changed.
And I have not PM'd you, quite frankly I don't want anything to do with you out of Limelight after what you did today. And it wasn't any server, it was my personal server that you had to dig through my profiles that are not on steam to find and just to annoy me. From what you have done it adds up to what I said, it's not concrete proof but it does add up.
And if you insult me on my personal account, that does not mean take it to Limelight, and vice versa, you cannot harass my personal life because you hate me on the server.
You want me banned, you think me replying to you annoying me being angry at you is a reason to help keep me banned because I made a joke threat on the server? You are delusional you knew very well what you are trying to do, make me look like worse person to take this appeal out of a possible rule breakage into trying to get them to hate me to not have any chance at unbanning me, you are again, tugging at their emotions. You can quit your fake act because I can see right through it.
From my perspective you obviously know that I get mad easily and I insult people when they wind me up which is proven many times on the server, you wound me up on my personal account which already takes it to another level, and basically took that and brought it to Limelight, framed me to tried and keep me banned, you are clinging on to every little thing you can get to get me banned.
And you talk about how my words really hurt you when you didn't have any problem with antagonising me and knowing I get angry use my anger against me. What you did is just as bad, going to someone who gets angry and intentionally getting them wound up is just as bad as what I said in response to you doing that. And you seemed to be very sarcastic like you didn't care in reply you gave me trying to annoy me more.

[henryhouse12]

Cai,

I have never said I hate you, I have always respected you which is why I have not insulted you during this argument. I have no idea what you are talking about with regards to me apparently harassing you. I have never and will never do such a thing. I know what that can be like and I will never EVER do that to anyone. 

In an argument, no one is going to come into it with an open mind, that is why admins are used in this instance, overlooking the argument to best decide what happens! The fact you keep adding to your story makes it kind of strange. Yes, you're right if I did go into the street and annoyed people I would get my jaw broken, but this is not the street... this is about you dm'ing me in my personal pm's telling me to kill myself. I have not harassed you I am not in your server, you can check I don't know if you kicked me or what, but I never ever sent any messages to you except for the ones sent after you told me to kill myself.

I am not trying to annoy you I am trying to articulate my side of the story, my side of the argument just like you are doing to yours so the admins can best decide what to do with you or me. I was not planning to contact you after today since, yes it has been stressful for both of us and I do not want to upset your personal life as it is personal for a reason. I don't want to get involved in the most respectful way possible as that is your personal life and we all experience problems within that life. Whether it is being banned from Limelight or bereavement it is very taxing to our mental health and energy. The point of an argument is to try and show the other person your side, so to hopefully come to a conclusion together. Something which I do not see happening between us with mine and your attitude. That is where the admins come in. In my eyes, I think we should leave the argument as is, as enough has been said from both sides. 

However, if you would like to discuss more, I am happy to, just tag me in your next post. I do understand your side, ish as half of it doesn't make sense to me, like the accusing, and I do sympathize that you have been perma-banned but I do want the correct punishments handed out to both of us if I have committed an offense by posting here.

So to add to my point, if I was harassing you before, why did you not report me? Why did you not screenshot it as I did? If it bothered you that much then you would've reported it. So in my eyes, and because I know I never did, you are lying because you never did the things said above, thus confusing me further as most people would report harassment!

@"iDankCai"‍

Again have a lovely evening to all of you reading,

henryhouse12

[Cicero]

I didn't screen shot it because I have thick skin, I don't let some petty words on the internet hurt me.But after you decided annoy me and screenshot my anger to use it against me that's when I did it back. In addition I didn't report it because that's something in our personal life not Limelight and it makes me more mad using my personal life against me in a server forums where I am trying to make an appeal on.
Do not reply to this I have no further intention to speak with you because clearly you just brushed off all my points with no thought to it, I can't believe some of things you just said and how narrow minded you're being. I also do not want to talk further with someone who lies.

[henryhouse12]

Cai,

This is not about me taking your personal life and using it against you, it is the fact you told me to kill myself and it really bothered me. I am not letting it go that easy. It was also to do with the case of you being banned hence why I reported it to Limelight!

If you had said it with no correlation to Limelight then I would've just blocked you or maybe reported you to discord, but since this was with correlation with your ban I thought it was pertinent and acceptable for the admins on the case to see what you had said to me.

I understand you do not want to talk, but I do not want to talk to someone who is lying too, and to be honest with you I am not going to try and argue with you anymore because it is clearly pointless and you are gonna keep trying to make stuff up. 

Also, you having "thick skin" is probably the most pathetic excuse for not having evidence and not reporting someone. Do you know why you used that excuse because you are acting quite frankly like a 10-year-old trying to frantically get out of a situation he knows he has dug a deep fucking hole for himself in. Now before you ask why I swore, which you will probably use against me, I am done with the way you have been treating me. I have been very neutral, not cursing but I am using a curse word, in this case, to further emphasize my point and I know you are going to try and say I said it directly to you I used it as an intensifier just to get that cleared up! If I really did do all those things, before accusing me and immediately deflecting all claims after I accuse you with no, and I mean no evidence at all, evidence. Oh wait sorry I forgot I harassed you by joining a server. My bad, I hope I get perma-banned for my bad actions! I am probably digging myself a worse hole by getting angry but my container holding said anger is very quickly getting filled with hot gas and will explode momentarily so I will probably not reply the rest of the day so to cool off!

I am trying so hard to stay calm but that last paragraph really emphasizes the stress you are causing to yourself and I, by saying the things you are saying and etc. The excuse of "joke threats" was not made clear during the RP... at all... and I don't believe that means you can ask a chef to grow drugs.

Thank you for your time, I am sorry our relationship had to end this way, but I am not letting you treat me like this.

Thank you, have a good day,

henryhouse12

[Cicero]

You are so narrow minded it really makes me physically cringe reading how you can't look into any statement. you joined my server literally 6 minutes before you started messaging me poking fun at me getting banned. If you didn't like me why did you join my server at all? Open your damn mind a bit then respond.
And you say i am acting like the 10 yr old, ironically I have a 7 year old brother who says and does very similar things to you I tell you now.
And we never did have a relationship, I don't want to be friends with you quite frankly, on the server you always called me out and said I wasn't there to roleplay. The things you say in your reply are some of the stupidest things I have heard. Let me just shorten your paragraph for you.
'I disagree with reality and my opinion sounds better then the facts.'
Next time don't right 20 more lines which basically defines that.

If you think someone telling you to kys after you annoy them is bad, I highly recommend you watch this video. 

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[henryhouse12]

So let me get this straight @"iDankCai"‍ ,

You send me a video saying "2 incredible ways to eradicate cyberbullying". Do you know what I find funny about this? You never said "I haven't been cyberbullying you"! Where I come from, there is a bullying offenders list, which if someone reports you for bullying or something similar you can be on that list, and it lowers your chances of getting a job in the future!

The thing that makes me cringe is seeing how you just want to have a go at me for calling you out all the time. I am not aware I do this but if I do I apologize. However, if I told someone to kill themselves in my school, I'd have my body hung, drawn and quartered and the police would be involved. Hence why I am arguing that it is unacceptable that you told me to kill myself.

It is also so funny how because I call you out for doing something wrong you immediately say "We never had a relationship"! Course we didn't. You've hated me since you met me, definitely. I have always mocked you and laughed at you for being permabanned. Sure! Again, I'm not going to say this again. You can't make claims against someone without sufficient evidence! If I said you told me to kill myself and not shown evidence then I would be told it is insufficient it as I can't prove it.

You need to understand the fact, you should not have told me to kill myself or insult furries. For your information, I am not a furry, my Ex boyfriend was and I support him as a furry as a friend and when we were together! He drew me that picture and as a sign of support I used it in my own profile pic! I don't care if you say I am writing this paragraph for sympathy, I am explaining why a furry is in my profile picture on discord!

You can say whatever you want to me from now on! I am not replying again. I have made my points, I used to read your replies, but they are so aggressive, so demeaning and honestly, I now don't care about reading them, something I did care about as I wanted to hear your story.

I hope you enjoy your day,

henryhouse12

[Doctor Internet]

Appeal Denied.

As much as you claim that threatening people with actions was simply part of your crazy man RP, it has failed to convince myself and other staff members of your intent.

In conclusion, you had asked for, and not been granted permission. Why you decided to use that RP in your other RP has not been answered, instead rebutting with claims of "replacing context with opinions" and starting arguments with other users.

This, combined with your prior history, led to the ban. When you weren't granted permission, don't use that as a basis for other RPs.