[BlackDog]

You can both keep twisting my words again and again.

Blackdog,
The same logic doesn't apply. I am talking about people who have lost their access permanently. Low hour players can get on the server and acquire information first hand, they can read the requirements for teacher and vote in good faith. They have access to the server, if they get on they can have a educated train of though if a suggestion is good or not. Post count is irrelevant and has nothing to do with what I have said previously.

(It absolutely is relevant, the fact that said player has been banned and thus unable to access the game server is what is irrelevant, as said player has not violated any policy that would forbid, or otherwise restrict their access to the community or their ability to interact with it.

Thus said players should still have full reign and access to do as they please so long as it does not violate the posted forum rules.)


Internet,
While I personally would support that people who haven't played in over 2 months (or are banned for longer than that) shouldn't vote and people should at least have 5-10 hours of playtime in the last month, this is not what this suggestion is about and I won't take it off-topic.

I really don't understand why it is unreasonable to ask that people who haven't played recently either due to inactivity or due to being banned, to loose their voting rights, would be a bad choice. People have always complained about it, even staff have.

In response to the underlined area:

I was away from LL for 6 months recently, I did not play ingame for that entire period, yet i still kept up to date with the goings on, the politics, and what people needed or wanted.

Are you saying that because I wasnt playing the game itself, that the suggestions/Votes I posted and made should not have been able to be made in the first place?

Even though the lack of ingame time had in no way actualy impeded my ability to learn everything I needed to know about what was going on in LL?

My time away from LL was more or less identical to that of someone who had been permabanned, i was not ingame at all, yet I still was able to learn everything I needed to know by reading the forums, and talking to people.

[Soviethooves]

It isn’t hard to understand that people have valid opinions and voting rights even if they broke server rules. Don’t suspend someone from their rights on the forums when they didn’t break any forum rules. I literally don’t see a positive to doing this other than causing a bit of disruption and another reason for perm banned players to minge on the forums (not like there is a lot of it in the first place involving votes)

[Doctor Internet]

It isn’t hard to understand that people have valid opinions and voting rights even if they broke server rules. Don’t suspend someone from their rights on the forums when they didn’t break any forum rules. I literally don’t see a positive to doing this other than causing a bit of disruption and another reason for perm banned players to minge on the forums (not like there is a lot of it in the first place involving votes)

Honestly this is the argument.

>They shouldn't vote because they're permed.
>Okay, why is that.

a> Because they can't know what's going on ingame.
>But what about changelogs, streams, updates, suggestions, debates on the forum, the OOC relay, discord and just talking to other people?
>But they can't know what's going on ingame because they're not ingame.
>That didn't answer any questions.

b> Because they're permed.
>Okay, so what about the players who were permed, and still provided useful feedback and input to the community, who ended up being better community members than some who haven't been banned, such as myself, BlackDog, Liv, Faustin etc.
> But they're permed.

There's no winning here, there's no seeing people to see our side. They're sat in a trench, using a shovel to throw shit at the other side.

It's like the question, why should they have their voting rights restricted?
>Because all they do is troll.
>*searches 6 month's worth of suggestions* "i didn't find anything"
>but teacher applications. *brings up an example of one guy, who got banned for trolling serious subforums and applications already*
>But teachers do more work than just ingame?
>but all their powers are ingame and all judgements people make are ingame.
>No, that's not how it works? People tend to judge me on my forum / discord interactions and updates, because I don't often go ingame. They are also the primary people who interact with H&S.
>but ingame.

If people get banned ingame, they lose their ingame rights.
If people get banned from the forum, they lose their forum rights.
The only global bans we have, are for some ToS violations.

If you disagree, and thing every forum, discord, ingame and TS ban should be linked together, then that's a different suggestion. For the reasons I've said before, along with our split of ingame/forum punishments, -support.

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Okay, so I did some work, and I've had a chat with Project already about this.

I went through the past 6 months of suggestions using a tool I wrote.


I found 0 instances of vote abuse, troll voting, or anything else.

1: John Jong -supporting a teacher app despite being permanently banned. He is in no way able to see the person applying for teacher IG (to see the players abilities) as he is permanently banned.




2: John Jong voting on a teacher app despite being permanently banned. Again, he is not able to see the players abilities in-game therefor just voting something based of the teacher-application post itself.




3: Best case in my opinion. John Jong is -supporting a teacher app with the reason "who are you". The problem: He is suspended since ages. It makes no sense for him to vote with this reasoning as there is no chance of him actually knowing the person good.




Those are just some examples of a permanently banned player voting for something and affecting the community's server experience despite not being able to join the server anyway.

It does not affect them, so why should they be able to vote. They are banned for a reason.

Quick question @"Nudelsalat im Panzer". How would preventing them from voting in the poll effect this? These are posts not votes; with a lot of people have been defending their right to post.

[Kurdayeti]

-Support

[Doctor Internet]

Whilst this policy has not been fully implemented, the staff team has voted for a variant. Please take a look at https://limelightgaming.net/forums/thread-23803.html for more information.