[Nebula]

1 dead, 2 seriously injured.

On the "Chemnitz City Festival" 1 man was killed with 24 stab wounds and 2 other men were seriously injured while trying to protect a group of women from migrants that were sexual harassing them.
The migrants that sexually harrased the women injured/killed these 3 men.

In response to this there was a big dimonstration in the city center of Chemnitz. 1000 people gathere there.
The demonstrants yelled "we are the people" , "this is our city".

The media presented it as a "right-wing" anti-migrant demonstration, but didnt reported anything about the killed/injured men by the migrants.

The police tried to stop the demonstration, not because it was "a right wing demo" but because it wasnt announced.

[video=youtube]http://https://youtu.be/2TXGMXUDres[/video]

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Well fuck me.

Its said that there was no knife attack and that there were people from the AfD doing the "Hitler Gruß".

Dont know whats true now thoug.

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If you can understand german

[video=youtube]http://https://youtu.be/sDV1UUrIq3k[/video]

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[Hungames]

lmao the first article i saw about this said it was a right wing neo nazi anti-migrant rally with AfD supporters.

[Nudel]

lmao the first article i saw about this said it was a right wing neo nazi anti-migrant rally with AfD supporters.

Kinda was one.

[Jokhah]

I saw a few videos and saw some Nazi salutes.  Not sorry they got stabbed.

Good enough for the Captain.

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[Nudel]

I saw a few videos and saw some Nazi salutes.  Not sorry they got stabbed.

Good enough for the Captain.

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I think you've misunderstood something. The man which got stabbed by a migrant was no Nazi. The Nazis came because a migrant killed him.

[Judge Rage]

I saw a few videos and saw some Nazi salutes.  Not sorry they got stabbed.

Good enough for the Captain.

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Sorry, I'm no neo-nazi or fascist, but since when does your fucking political beliefs mean that you deserve to get fucking stabbed?


Are you being fucking serious here? What is this, the cultural revolution? Are you Mao Zedong?

[Jokhah]

I saw a few videos and saw some Nazi salutes.  Not sorry they got stabbed.

Good enough for the Captain.

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Sorry, I'm no neo-nazi or fascist, but since when does your fucking political beliefs mean that you deserve to get fucking stabbed?


Are you being fucking serious here? What is this, the cultural revolution? Are you Mao Zedong?

When your political beliefs are okay with mass genocide so that only your race is left.  That's about the line.

Sorry that I hate Nazi's for the mass genocide they commited on behalf of an angry child.  Not sorry.



See I could understand your point if they weren't supremists that were in support of a group that attempted to take over, enslave, and racially cleanse the rest of the planet.  But they did, so I don't.

Or even, why in their attempt to show patriotism to their country, do they decide to support racism?  Why do Nazi's always cry when they get their asses kicked for being racists?  And finally, why should I tolerate people who do not tolerate others to the point of cleansing them is something they think is "acceptable"?

Since when did it become "cool" or even "acceptable" to be a Nazi again?  Didn't they lose WW2?  Weren't most of them charged with crimes against humanity?  Why am I expected to stand up for them, when they tried to step on everyone else?  Why do I show them compassion, where they had none for anyone who didn't look like them, who didn't believe like them?  This wasn't just a USA vs Nazi issue.  This was Nazi vs the World issue.  They lost, thankfully, and now it's cool for kids to come out to rallies, protests, functions, and throw up anti-semetic remarks, symbols, gestures, and somehow the guys taking the shit are the bad guys?

I just can't see it that way.

[Welker]

Terrible. Shame to see loss of life like this, regardless of someones ideology or views they don't deserve to die for it. 

Disappointing to see some people support this sort of primal behavior against people they disagree with.

[Jokhah]

Terrible. Shame to see loss of life like this, regardless of someones ideology or views they don't deserve to die for it. 

Disappointing to see some people support this sort of primal behavior against people they disagree with.

Happy that I disappoint you with my intolerance to those whom would commit genocide over skin color.

Even if I chose to tolerate their existence, they wouldn't tolerate mine if given the chance to act freely.

But, since people have seemingly forgotten how terrible of a people the Nazis were, I suppose history will end up repeating itself.

[Welker]

Terrible. Shame to see loss of life like this, regardless of someones ideology or views they don't deserve to die for it. 

Disappointing to see some people support this sort of primal behavior against people they disagree with.

Happy that I disappoint you with my intolerance to those whom would commit genocide over skin color.

Even if I chose to tolerate their existence, they wouldn't tolerate mine if given the chance to act freely.

But, since people have seemingly forgotten how terrible of a people the Nazis were, I suppose history will end up repeating itself.

Neo-nazis don't commit genocide at all though? Nazis did. 


Is it a questionable ideology? Absolutely. Do they deserve to die for it? definitely not. Going by what I know it seems they were all men, they were sons, fathers, brothers and husbands. They were people, have some humanity for the lives lost and those who have to live with that. Questionable ideology or not they were people yet they do not deserve to die for their ignorance. 

And "Even if I chose to tolerate their existence, they wouldn't tolerate mine if given the chance to act freely." You're not them, you should act accordingly. If you think you're so much better. 

People are disgruntled, understandably about the political climates in their countries. Radicalism happens, yet wanting other people to die simply for their ideology sure sounds like a pretty radical point of view to me.

[Jokhah]

@Welker 

Nazi, Neo-Nazi, fuck'em.  Both support the idea that their race is the superior one.  Both support the ideologies that led to the deaths of millions, and given the opportunity would do it again.  Did those millions deserve to die for their ignorance?  Nope, but it sure still happened.

Yall people keep coming off with this whole "Jokhah thinks he's better" kick when its really "Jokhah shouldn't be your moral compass."  When I grew up, if a bully started calling you or your friend a nigger in public, you beat his ass.  You didn't feel sorry for him and blame the black kids for doing it.  Freedom of speech isn't freedom of consequence.

But I submit, I am wrong.  I didn't know that having rights means that you can push them onto others unwillingly without repercussions.  I forgot that if one person wants to scream in another person's face "nigger" that the other person should have to take it, because the first person wants to do it and is white.  But when a bunch of black people get together and talk about fighting the white man, they are a hate group and should be shot by the police.  I forgot this is the generation of "racism is okay, beating racists isn't."

[Judge Rage]

My issue here is that the guy that got stabbed wasn't even a fucking nazi.

Also, nice strawman Jokhah but nobody said anything about all of that. Freedom of speech does and should result in consequences - it's an absolute right, everybody should be able to criticise and critique your speech or attack your speech. What that doesn't mean, however, is that you have the right to stab someone for not agreeing with your opinion. 

What the problem is is that we are artificially making the far right worse by trying to force them underground. When you force an ideology underground there are two dangers, the primary danger is that these people believe they are being persecuted and so they believe in their beliefs even more and they begin to become more extreme and radicalised, and the secondary danger is that if we drive the ideologies we don't like underground then we don't know who believes in them. I don't know about you, but I prefer racists, sexists, homophobes, (edit: fucking nazis too) etc to be out in the open where I can criticise them, not underground where I don't know about the beliefs they hold.

Not only that but you are completely misunderstanding the situation here, he wasn't stabbed for being a nazi.

[Jokhah]

My issue here is that the guy that got stabbed wasn't even a fucking nazi.

Also, nice strawman Jokhah but nobody said anything about all of that. Freedom of speech does and should result in consequences - it's an absolute right, everybody should be able to criticise and critique your speech or attack your speech. What that doesn't mean, however, is that you have the right to stab someone for not agreeing with your opinion. 

What the problem is is that we are artificially making the far right worse by trying to force them underground. When you force an ideology underground there are two dangers, the primary danger is that these people believe they are being persecuted and so they believe in their beliefs even more and they begin to become more extreme and radicalised, and the secondary danger is that if we drive the ideologies we don't like underground then we don't know who believes in them. I don't know about you, but I prefer racists, sexists, homophobes, (edit: fucking nazis too) etc to be out in the open where I can criticise them, not underground where I don't know about the beliefs they hold.

Not only that but you are completely misunderstanding the situation here, he wasn't stabbed for being a nazi.

You aren't wrong in some of this, it is a strawman's argument.  Always is when deciding to side with death.  Less of two evils is always an evil decision in itself.

However I do wanna talk about the "why he was stabbed."

He was protesting migrants with a group of people who threw up nazi shit.  To me it seems like a simple case of racist protestor gets stabbed.

I'm all ears though, what was the real reason he was stabbed?  Because migrants are violent people?

[Preditor]

I do not agree with violence being invoked upon people just because of what they personally believe or say. I don't care if he or the others there were Neo-Nazis the moment you start using violence to support your idea over another is wrong and not only does it violate free-speech it can also be considered terrorism. 

You have a lot of people, in this community even, that don't agree with many of the key factors of Islam or Christianity though I doubt any of us would start shooting the opposing race for it or trying to stab them. 

If you want these kind of Neo-nazi or extremist ideas to end stop giving people reasons to turn to them.

And note of the wise there's always two sides to a conflict.

RIP

[Jan]

Absolutely insane how there is a discussion going on regarding whether some people deserve to die for what they believe in.

Who the hell are you to ever take justice into your own hands by harming someone? Neo-nazis are obvious racists and no government appreciates them, that being said they will be punished if needed and if they broke the law.

We should stop judging eachother by what we believe in, we are not the right people to take justice into our own hands just for disagreeing with someone else's believe.

All people that harm others, are racists, whatever deserve to be punished by the government, not by people that wish to take it into their own hands.