[Jokhah]

Reported Players: Aspire (STEAM_0:1:200223448) (@ItzAspire)
Server: Rockford
Time: 2018-Apr-09 22:15
Summary: Aspire was roleplaying a racist corrupt officer. He approached Grub and Myself, whom were standing in the car dealership parking lot. I had just set my job to "Black" after having a laugh about how Aspire's character had kept calling my character "Negro." Within maybe a minute of this, Aspire walked up to us with his weapon out. At first he began by saying "Put your gun away, is he..." but then it switched to him pointing his weapon directly at Grub and yelling for him to get on the ground. Grub failed to comply immediately and his playermodel shifted (not running but either repositioned or moved) about one step. Aspire gunned him down without any further attempt to resolve the situation without murdering an unarmed and guiltless man. Video picked up right there, as there is a delay between the time that I push the button and the time at which the recording actually kicks in. I had pressed the button when Aspire yelled for Grub to get on the ground.

I explained to him that police are to use tazers, but could tell by his attitude both here and from the previous encounter that I was wasting my time. Aspire after the fact came and stood near me on the sidewalk, then decided to ask when I was going to post the PR, then stated that I wasn't going to, talked about my hours, then said something about how I'd never make staff. It was cute, but not as hurtful as he'd hoped.

In short: RDM x 1
Evidence:

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[ItzAspire]

Hello and thank you for the player report.

Now I would like to draw attention to the fact the video has been tampered with, i warned him not to do this and several people saw this in ooc.
This is a severe rule break, I would like the full video posted or you by logic should be banned for tampering evidence in a pr.

The player report doesn't even show me kill the guy or the reasons why. 

He has edited the video to miss out the part of the death.

The player who died broke fear rp, I told him very clearly to stand still and do not move whilst my gun was pointed at his head. He said "no I won't" and began to move away.

Now I will explain why he has not included the death, his friend will clearly be seen breaking fear rp.
I will provide evidence of myself being weakened by a suspect matching his description.

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I was taken down to 90% by a shooter, I believe it was the suspect I gave chase to.


So obviously in character I pursue the shooter and radio for back up, I see a man matching the description and come around the corner guns ready, hence why i put him straight under fear rp.
Now if he is breaking fear rp and I suspect him to be armed and dangerous I am well within my right to neutralise, I could not switch to my tazer as the guy behind me began to back away. I believed my life was in danger if I did not eliminate the threat. Switching to a tazer with your back to a potentially armed suspect is life threatening.

I know the rules and as he has not posted any evidence of rdm I would like to thank him for trying.

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This is clearly not a job title and thus in breach of the rules. 
"3.5 - Custom job titles must state what character you intend to roleplay".
So I can put white?
Be more specific maybe?

Also admin please note this: 

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He showed malicious intent to not allow me time to reply by posting so late.
He has also tampered with the video.
So I am advising that he is punished for the blatant tampering.

Thank you again for posting,

I will not give any further comment unless the full video is posted or if I am requested by the admin.

I did not break the rule known as "rdm".

[Jokhah]

Tampered with the video?  Nope, but I still have the files on hand and can gyzao whatever information the staff needs / send them the file directly.  I'm not a guy with all the cool brain power to set up a constantly recording video.  Even if I knew how, I'm sure I'd find better uses for it than gmod.  I don't appreciate you wild and baseless accusation, but like I said, I knew you were a waste of my time based on your attitude and rdming Grub.

Malicious intent?  I can post a PR whenever I choose.  The fact that I like to do it late at night when people are sleeping thinking they're gonna get away with breaking the rules, is my personal preference.

I explained my job title in the original post so w/e you say pal.

You came up to us, at first telling us something about putting a gun away, then decided to flip out on grub, killing him for no reason.  Kinda like how you tried to arrest me for a car I didn't even own, except this time you broke the rules.

Logs are going to show that neither Grub nor myself had a weapon.  You had no reason to kill him in the first place.  He didn't move more than a step.  Even if you felt like he would try something, you have a tazer for a reason, which you should already know after you claim to know the rules better than I do.  You should also already know that police are not supposed to gun down unarmed people (suspect or not), where an arrest is easily possible.

Weasel around if you want, bottom line, you killed an unarmed person as a cop for no reason.

You got a better video than I do, feel free to post it.

[ItzAspire]

He broke fear rp. Your video doesn't even show me killing him.
Your pr is based of opinions and not facts. Your basically requesting logs which you told me you can't do, you said " you can't request logs it isn't allowed".

Your friend broke fear rp, post the full video and this will be seen, I was shot at, my health was 90% and your friend matched the description of the suspect and then he began to break fear rp and run, you saying he didn't run is a lie.

Your player report has no proof.

The facts are your job name is a rule break.
Your friend broke fear rp.
You tampered with the video.

Admin please conclude.

[Jokhah]

"Facts"

Because you said so and you seem to know everything, including what is on my computer, who I am, what I do, and everything else better than I do.

Except the rule on RDM.

Video might not have caught it, but you have already you killed him for "fear rp" as a cop, while he was unarmed, which isn't allowed.

No more replies for you.

[Doctor Internet]

Under Review.

[Doctor Internet]

@Aspire.

People can post PRs at any time, up to a month after the infraction. Source: Report Instructions

Between 0:00 and 0:08 you state that you have the right to execute people for breaches of FearRP. You do not have that right. You can deploy a less-lethal weapon on them, such as a beanbag or taser. However, unless they are armed or present a threat to your life, you cannot open fire.

Jokhah is correct in this case. Job titles must describe the RP that you are doing. If you are RPing as a black man, then that's what you're RPing as, and as such the job title describes that.

At 2:18, you state that your actions only count as attempted RDM. Attempted RDM is prior to the "injured" state, whereas injuring or killing people would count as RDM.

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My specific question however. @Aspire, how do you believe that @Jokhah was aiding and abetting @Grub?

[ItzAspire]

Not to disagree with you but I'm going to have to.
Use of lethal force against an armed fear rp breaker who could kill or his friend could kill me is allowed. Switching to a taser takes extra time in which I can die. I am perfectly roleplaying a scared officer in fear of his life.

Show the full video and you will see the fear rp breakage.
I have been player reported without any video of the rule break.
Now in regards to my roleplay reasons, I believed he was aiding the suspect based on the fact he was conversating with the suspect and his attitude towards me. 

To conclude:
There is no evidence to support the report.
The friend broke fear rp and thus he tampered with the video.
I joined limelight thinking it was a nice server with good admins.
If I'm attacked by someone, I go around a corner see the suspect I then put him under fear rp and he runs and tells me no to my command then yes I can take the suspect down. His friend began to back away from me so I was in fear of my life.
I await to see how good the admins are.
Because there is a tampered video which you're allowing aha
Show the full and see the fear rp breakage

[ItzAspire]

Not to offend Lu doctor but due to the staff report against you I would like another admin to oversee this. It's odd you allow tampered videos. I'll await a reply from another's or senior admin thank you.

[Doctor Internet]

@ItzAspire, answer my question please.

[ItzAspire]

Your question is not related to rdm. You're changing the subject away from the tampered video. 
I am 100% requesting super admin reviews this.
You're acting so weird.
I already answered your question....
"Now in regards to my roleplay reasons, I believed he was aiding the suspect based on the fact he was conversating with the suspect and his attitude towards me. "

[ItzAspire]

" However, unless they are armed or present a threat to your life, you cannot open fire.", like I have said I believed he was the person who shot me, I believed him and his friend were armed so when he broke fear rp and said no to my command and began to move away I had to think quick to save my life, if his friend is backing away behind me I need to act sensibly to save my life.
This is not a case of rdm, nor do I believe you asked me a question. What question do you want me to answer because you keep saying there is a question and I can't see one apart from the aiding one 

[Jokhah]

Again, file is unedited.

No previous versions

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Finally, the time stamps are in EST.  If you do the conversion and line up to your logs, should be more than prove what I'm saying.

[Jokhah]

*snip*
Show the full video and you will see the fear rp breakage.
I have been player reported without any video of the rule break.
Now in regards to my roleplay reasons, I believed he was aiding the suspect based on the fact he was conversating with the suspect and his attitude towards me. 
*snip*

I never gave you any attitude in character, as is clear in the video.  I did point out to you that you broke the rules in looc.  Even in our previous encounter, I didn't give you attitude, where you gave me tons.  

Previous Encounter: 

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Or even your attitude after the encounter:  

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Just sayin.

[ItzAspire]

1 hour ago 

" However, unless they are armed or present a threat to your life, you cannot open fire.", like I have said I believed he was the person who shot me, I believed him and his friend were armed so when he broke fear rp and said no to my command and began to move away I had to think quick to save my life, if his friend is backing away behind me I need to act sensibly to save my life.
This is not a case of rdm, nor do I believe you asked me a question. What question do you want me to answer because you keep saying there is a question and I can't see one apart from the aiding one