[Toxic]

And good luck getting that federal firearms license.

[Dick]

Personally, I can see firearms... as a good but bad thing...

They are good as it allows people to feel safe and calmer and this is a large factor with a lot of things, however... I do think about it and look towards Britain's death rate by firearms compared to America and it is massive, (Obviously, due to each of these having different firearm laws). After watching this video too, it made me think a lot of the negative side towards firearms also.

Especially being a person who has seen close people commit suicide, this is a rather edge worthy specification as explained at the start of the video too, and it does lead to an easier way to try to leave the situation, even if you don't want to, but as for other methods of suicide, I believe the way that Firearms can show it is rather... shocking? Quick? I don't know how to describe it however, with other methods, at least there is more of a chance to save the person.

[Eclipze]

Personally, I can see firearms... as a good but bad thing...

They are good as it allows people to feel safe and calmer and this is a large factor with a lot of things, however... I do think about it and look towards Britain's death rate by firearms compared to America and it is massive, (Obviously, due to each of these having different firearm laws). After watching this video too, it made me think a lot of the negative side towards firearms also.

Especially being a person who has seen close people commit suicide, this is a rather edge worthy specification as explained at the start of the video too, and it does lead to an easier way to try to leave the situation, even if you don't want to, but as for other methods of suicide, I believe the way that Firearms can show it is rather... shocking? Quick? I don't know how to describe it however, with other methods, at least there is more of a chance to save the person.

Ironical that Michael from Gta V is the one against guns

[Toxic]

Personally, I can see firearms... as a good but bad thing...

They are good as it allows people to feel safe and calmer and this is a large factor with a lot of things, however... I do think about it and look towards Britain's death rate by firearms compared to America and it is massive, (Obviously, due to each of these having different firearm laws). After watching this video too, it made me think a lot of the negative side towards firearms also.

Especially being a person who has seen close people commit suicide, this is a rather edge worthy specification as explained at the start of the video too, and it does lead to an easier way to try to leave the situation, even if you don't want to, but as for other methods of suicide, I believe the way that Firearms can show it is rather... shocking? Quick? I don't know how to describe it however, with other methods, at least there is more of a chance to save the person.

Ironical that Michael from Gta V is the one against guns

I'm not sure I see the relevance in your post.

[Vauld]

I briefly read some of these comments, and there's a lot of ignorant people. In America the idea that you can "Stop selling guns" or "Take away the guns" is simply not fathomable. This is a very complex issue that involves constitutional rights. Chicago for example, which has some of the most strict gun laws - Has some of the highest rates of gun violence recorded, it didn't do anything to ban guns. Guns are already in cities across America. If a criminal wants a gun, it's incredibly easy to get a hold of one. And surprise, they don't follow gun laws. So how do we combat this issue? Take away guns from law-abiding citizens? No, that makes no sense. Tighten up gun laws to ensure mentally ill people and potential terrorists can't buy a gun from walmart. Then, make sure that law abiding citizens are capable of getting a gun relatively easily to ensure they're protected from those whom don't wish to follow the gun laws and want to shoot people.

[Jono]

I'm going to bump this discussion as I feel it's relevant based of a certain other thread that's been closed -- keep it civil bois

[Soviethooves]

Won't fix the crimes involving firearms in the US.

[Doctor Internet]

I mean. A gun ban must be useful, because criminals are renowned for following the law.

[Jono]

Won't fix the crimes involving firearms in the US.

Agreed. There's definitely a strong correlation between increased gun ownership (and legalisation) and gun crime, but if I recall correctly, there's about 3 guns for every citizen in the states.

Anyone who has ever fantasied about doing a shooting aren't going to hand them in. Anyone involved in crime aren't going to hand them in. Anyone who simply loves guns (and i understand why, it's fucking awesome to shoot them) are not willingly going to hand them in.

UK can be a prime example of this, we banned handguns in 2001( i think) and the same guns are being used in a variety of crime across the UK today. It's more prominent in comparison considering even prior to 2001, handgun ownership was >1%, whereas in the states...

I agree from and outside view that more checks should be done, and every gun should be accounted for, but ultimately to ban guns wouldn't have a huge immediate impact, perhaps in 50 years time when ammunition and parts become more scarce, but even so, it's hard to weigh up the benefit considering those killed from gun crime is (as someone previously mentioned) statistically insignificant, and the benefits for those that have and love them twinned with the economic aspect of weaponry suggest it's a pointless en devour.

[Sammijammi]

Guns are guns, people cannot say that just because a handful of people use them to cause scenes that we have seen over the last couple of days, doesnt account for the many legal gun owners that keep their firearms locked away and only for protection.

Lets look at England, as my birthplace its only right.

In 2016, The 43 Home Office forces in England and Wales reported the total number of Police Officers as 126,766.

They reported the total number of Armed Police Officers stood at a meer 5,639.
The below tables show the total number of officers per year, both are structured to run from April 1st to March 31st (The financial year.)

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A more detailed table into how many armed officers were active within England and Wales:

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Below you can see a detailed breakdown of the number of firearm operations actioned from March 2009 to March 2017.

Armed Response Vehicle (ARV)

The total number of incidents that required Armed officers to discharge their weapons stands at 10. (Year ending 31st March 2017.

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England has a strong rhetoric when it comes to firearms, but the arguement that everyone always has is in regard to how america should just remove all their guns from their citizens and the easy response is the money and time it would take to disarm its citizens. With over 300 million guns it's something that even if actioned, we probably wouldn't see in our lifetime.

As at March 2017, Home office reported the total number of firearm certificates stood at 154,958, an increase of 1% (1,554) compared to the previous year (2016) which stood at 153,404.

Below you can see a map of England and Wales alongside a graph of the 43 Police Force areas reporting the number of firearms per 100,000 people.

Most of Britains* firearms are concentrated on farmland areas, places considered to be in the 'Countryside.' Its worth noting that the City of London is not included as its mid-2015 population estimate is less than 100,000.

Given this information, England's firearms are somewhat distrubuted evenly across the country, but this obviously this only accounts for the LEGAL firearm certificates granted to eligible citizens.

Home office estimates there is a total of 396,800 firearms in the uk, that are legal and owned by certificate holders.
How many illegal firearms are their in England and Wales, you ask? Over 1 Million. (An exact number is not known.)

The point is, regardless of what any country will do in an attempt of controlling illegally owned weapons in their countrys, will be difficult. There will always be a way for an individual to obtain and use a firearm. I believe that having them for normal citizens is good, how else would one protect their family in the moment of an armed assailant entering their home? Control doesn't have to mean complete removal.

Even if England, a much much smaller country compared to our neighbours, were to try and remove all firearms, it would still take countless years and even then we'd be removing them from people that are legally holding.

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[Venom]

[Dan]

[Vauld]

I’ve met Matt Bevin, nice guy.

OT: Kek, the Europeans are clueless. I say that with no disrespect, but I’ve just come back from living in England half a year and truly the politics in America are so complex I met hardly anyone who truly knew the political landscape in America, do your research before going into an American political convo. Perhaps regulation on certain types of firearms, or bumpstocks, could help with mass casualty events. But the ban gun sentiment is ridiculous, for too many reasons, look at chicago. There are millions of firearms in America, the best thing to do is to institute common sense regulation such as banning bumpstocks and having mental illness background checks imo. But assuming guns will ever be outlawed or restricted outright is unrealistic.

[Wesley Lawrence]

I’ve met Matt Bevin, nice guy.

OT: Kek, the Europeans are clueless. I say that with no disrespect, but I’ve just come back from living in England half a year and truly the politics in America are so complex I met hardly anyone who truly knew the political landscape in America, do your research before going into an American political convo. Perhaps regulation on certain types of firearms, or bumpstocks,  could help with mass casualty events. But the ban gun sentiment is ridiculous, for too many reasons, look at chicago. There are millions of firearms in America, the best thing to do is to institute common sense regulation such as banning bumpstocks and having  mental illness background checks imo. But assuming guns will ever be outlawed or restricted outright is unrealistic.

As a European, I don't think more gun control will solve what happened (e.g.) in Las Vegas or whatever will happen in the future. Not in the States, not anywhere.

Like multiple examples have been given above: law-abiding citizens aren't the issue here. However, more security around events, and public places in general, would definitely be fair. The mental illness background checks (which I thought were already being done in most states) are obviously a requirement, imo, too.

If you wish to obtain a firearms license over here in The Netherlands, you will get a background check and a medical history check (on items it counts on) done by a supervising officer/Chief of Police in the police district you reside in. If there are any grounds from aforementioned officer in terms of your background, your (mental) health or just insuffient reasons for you to have a firearms license (poor reason(s) given on the form(s) you'll have to fill in) it could lead to a denial for your license.

Also, a fun video for those who say they were only designed for killing:



@Toxic I should get you that t-shirt, lol.

[Jokhah]

Just gonna go right to the point. Gun Control doesn't work. Doesn't matter how many laws you throw at the problem, you literally stop nothing. You have to consider a key point, criminals don't tend to obey the law.

The only method of Gun Control that does work is when you remove ALL guns out of ALL hands except for military. This leads to two key potentials. Either everything is fine and life goes on, or you face being dominated by the government turned dictatorship.

In Australia, I understand that getting rid of the guns worked out well. In the case of England, for a period violent crime actually rose.

In USA, removing the guns from the hands of everyone would not work, as there are too many criminals rolling around that appear like upstanding people. That and USA has pissed off too many other countries, that in turn seek to undermine and divide the nation. Being that I'm a vet, I have guns that may or may not be on the books, but I'm not concerned about the legality when it comes to the safety of my family. The guns I do have though, aren't designed for combat in this or even the previous 3 generations. One is a lever action, one is a .38 revolver. I have the correct ammunition to reduce if not eliminate the penetration factor, so should I actually have to open up on an intruder, I don't have to worry about hitting my neighbors.

P.S. In case you are interested in how I chose to reduce penetration factor, the intruder is going to get nailed with reverse seated wad cutters. When you reverse seat a wad cutter in the casing, it basically looks like a hollow point from hell. Not all of my rounds are like this, just the initial ones, after that, I have other options including some with penetration, but hopefully I'd never need to consider it. Never know though, with the rise in ballistic vests and how much more accessible they are, I might start coating with teflon.