[BasicallyMental]

Hey,
So, the police department. There are the new players, and the dedicated ones that keep going back to try and protect Evocity from the petty criminals.
What would you guys think to me offering a little training session to both new and dedicated players to try and help them out. In firearms, driving, negotiations etc?
I recon this could be a fun little RP to conduct on the server!
What do you guys think?

[Soviethooves]

Dude, if we could make this a permanent thing for a whitelisted PD I'd still be glad to see it

[Cooli]

go ahead

[Hungames]

The problem is, who is certified to teach this session? For all I know, I could be learning from someone who tases everyone repeatedly. You could be teaching never use your gun unless someone shoots at you, while another days use your gun whenever there is a threat

[BasicallyMental]

Dude, if we could make this a permanent thing for a whitelisted PD I'd still be glad to see it

And, it could be a start leading up to the whitelist as we cannot start with a crap whitelisted PD - I guess we need to start somewhere

It would be done by someone who has actual knowledge on the PD. Such as, @Nacreas, @Soviethooves, myself, or any others that show common knowledge of the PD. Along side this, the set people would write documentation into different training exercises to ensure that they are conducted correct by the trainer, and all the correct information is given.


If the PD whitelist is confirmed anytime soon (**COUGH** @Cameron, @The Rock, @Temar **COUGH**) then the training sessions could begin, and the documentation could be written

[Hungames]

"Limelight Police Training Committee"

[Wesley Lawrence]

Good idea, but how is this any different from being done when you're occupying a leading role in the PD or SWAT team? You're always free to give training sessions to your fellow officers during that, so my opinion is that any ''big event'' regarding this shouldn't be done until whitelisting is released and experienced roleplayers or people with knowledge or experience in LE (to be validated/proven somehow) will be appointed as FTOs.

[BasicallyMental]

Good idea, but how is this any different from being done when you're occupying a leading role in the PD or SWAT team? You're always free to give training sessions to your fellow officers during that, so my opinion is that any ''big event'' regarding this shouldn't be done until whitelisting is released and experienced roleplayers or people with knowledge or experience in LE (to be validated/proven somehow) will be appointed as FTOs.

I understand anyone could, however it's the lack of available officers to do it at that time, and the lack of willing sergeants to set up a proper training session. If it is 'announced' on the forums, it gives time for people to take the time out of other RP and not be busy in order to attend a proper training sessions.
In regard to choosing who will be the training officers, I feel as though it should be open to anyone, and all should go through tryouts, passing certain stages of testing, and doing small questionnaires in order to earn their position as a training officer

[Wesley Lawrence]

Good idea, but how is this any different from being done when you're occupying a leading role in the PD or SWAT team? You're always free to give training sessions to your fellow officers during that, so my opinion is that any ''big event'' regarding this shouldn't be done until whitelisting is released and experienced roleplayers or people with knowledge or experience in LE (to be validated/proven somehow) will be appointed as FTOs.

In regard to choosing who will be the training officers, I feel as though it should be open to anyone, and all should go through tryouts, passing certain stages of testing, and doing small questionnaires in order to earn their position as a training officer

Right, aside from the event, which then makes sense in some way, I definitely do not think anyone should be able to be FTO from the get go. I think we should just wait for the whitelist to get passed through, someone to get elected to manage the force and to figure out who are going to be his supervisors. After the whitelist has gone on for a couple of months or a year, the supervisors and/or person that is managing the force can figure out promotions for those that got whitelisted and would be eligable for becoming a FTO.

[BasicallyMental]

Good idea, but how is this any different from being done when you're occupying a leading role in the PD or SWAT team? You're always free to give training sessions to your fellow officers during that, so my opinion is that any ''big event'' regarding this shouldn't be done until whitelisting is released and experienced roleplayers or people with knowledge or experience in LE (to be validated/proven somehow) will be appointed as FTOs.

In regard to choosing who will be the training officers, I feel as though it should be open to anyone, and all should go through tryouts, passing certain stages of testing, and doing small questionnaires in order to earn their position as a training officer

Right, aside from the event, which then makes sense in some way, I definitely do not think anyone should be able to be FTO from the get go. I think we should just wait for the whitelist to get passed through, someone to get elected to manage the force and to figure out who are going to be his supervisors. After the whitelist has gone on for a couple of months or a year, the supervisors and/or person that is managing the force can figure out promotions for those that got whitelisted and would be eligable for becoming a FTO.

I think a couple of months would be more realistic as, as soon as the whitelist is introduced, people are going to want things related to the PD to actually be serious and will want as much involvement as possible. So, even if it's just a temporary FTO, I think one should be appointed after them few months from sorting out the PD.
Although, I still stick to my point with it being open to anyone within the PD whitelist, going through small or large questionnaires and / or some sort of stage tests

[Jen]

It can be done but it isn't easy.

You would have to have,
Policies,
Laws set in stone,
Ajustments to gear,
A rank up system, so when you click on police officer, you go to your rank,
Several other things.

Just no one has taken the time to think about this.

And Laws CAN NOT be changed, this is vital so the department runs nicely and not all over the place, meaning that officers get used to the meanings and not the standered, hey this that and the other.

Times to be decided by the AO (arresting officer) not by some President that doesn't actually answer it.

Giving different ranks different powers,

Setting up a whole new warrant system.


Overall for it to work, which it would be great, the whole server needs to change, and well, it can't, the server is how it is. People come on here to have fun not to be told what they can and can't do, and if you screw it up well you get people leaving due to when they join the department they get poorly treated resulting in the whitelisting and all the time and work from the Dev team lost.
It is just a bad idea and wont work. The PD would have to be completely restarted, and the devs are too buzy fixing bugs.

[BasicallyMental]

-Snip-

These are the reasons i'd also oppose having a whitelist put in place, as much as I love the idea.
This is why I initially asked what people would think about just a nice little Training Session RP, seeing if I did host one with another person, how many people would be interested and turn up.
I'm not saying make the PD all serious (again, as much as I would be for this), but the odd training session would be nice, so that the ones who want to learn something new, can learn something new. And the ones who don't want to take it all seriously, don't have to by simply not coming to a training session.

I only thought (Initially) it would just be a nice RP idea for the PD to enjoy, and had people enjoy it, I'd do it more often. I'm not saying, change the PD.

[Soviethooves]

Guys, we have to remember, this is a server that is meant for a player connect and have fun. I get some of us want these more realistic approaches to a better PD (Which it would make the PD more efficient), but sadly we have to factor in that players just wanna have fun and drive a vehicle with lights and sirens, not worry about filling out a warrant, or any other boring part of what PD usually is (Paperwork Sim).

[Wesley Lawrence]

Although, I still stick to my point with it being open to anyone within the PD whitelist, going through small or large questionnaires and / or some sort of stage tests

Which is fair, as you've got your right to an opinion. My opinion still stands that the position of FTO shouldn't be open to ''anyone within the PD whitelist'' rather than someone that has ranked through the PD's whitelist and has shown knowledge and/or experience with law enforcement, their SOPs and trainings. Like Hungames said, for all we know we could be learning from someone that pulls his (or her) baton, taser, firearm or smoke grenades at nearly every small incident.

My opinion stands that once the whitelist gets pushed through, the person who suggested it (which I remember to be @Soviethooves) should be elected to run the force. Once that's sorted, he (or some other person) can then elect the starting supervisors (and thus FTOs). From there on it'll be ''months' work'' to see who's fit for promotion and extra training to become a FTO (as you shouldn't become FTO just because you're being promoted to something higher).

Sure, some training ''events'' or just setting up some quick training during your leading role as a police Sergeant or SWAT Sergeant is a good idea, but once the whitelist has been pushed through, only experienced roleplayers or members should gain access to training new (and existing) personnel.

[BasicallyMental]

Guys, we have to remember, this is a server that is meant for a player connect and have fun. I get some of us want these more realistic approaches to a better PD (Which it would make the PD more efficient), but sadly we have to factor in that players just wanna have fun and drive a vehicle with lights and sirens, not worry about filling out a warrant, or any other boring part of what PD usually is (Paperwork Sim).

Again why I only asked if people would be wanting a little training session where if you want to learn how to properly pull someone over, shoot, etc, then by all means they could attend.
I think, one thing I didn't make clear was that is was just an RP idea, to see if anyone would turn up to enjoy it, rather than a suggestion thread.