Apr 9, 2017, 10:44 AM
(Apr 9, 2017, 05:55 AM)Nevy Wrote: If Assad has used chemical weapon(s) in the past, which is the case, why would this time be any different? Why would you negate the fact that he HAS violated international law in the past and come to the conclusion that he wouldn't likely make use of chemical weapons again simply because it doesn't make sense. To say he wouldn't kill his own civilians is very uninformed since he has been doing just that for the past years.
You're also foolish to think that the United States would launch a strategic military attack on a sovereign nation, which is currently backed by Iran and Russia, without absolute certainty in the evidence provided by US intelligence. Trump didn't coordinate this attack, this was simply something that he gave the go-ahead on based on the evidence they had. If you didn't know, nearly all of our allies including Australia, United Kingdom, France, and Israel had issued their strong support of this action. The Tomahawk missiles were a clear and concise message to the Syrian government that any further violation of international law would provoke action by the United States. This is also a message that can be seen from North Korea that any intimidation or violation will lead to a military response.
Obama made it clear that he wouldn't take action to intimidation, however the time has changed for the United States to put some power behind it's punches.
Foolish to not follow with the flock? I think it's more foolish not to ask questions. We have a former congressman saying that it was most likely a false flag, a former UN ambassador claiming that Hillary Clinton and a few other politicians actually supplied the rebels with sarin gas awhile before the last attack happened in 2013, and well respected pulitzer prize winner Seymour Hersh also stating that during the last attack then President Obama left out many details to the public.
Quote:“If any of this was true, I don’t know why they couldn’t wait and take a look at it. In 2013, there were similar stories that didn’t go anywhere, because with a little bit of a pause, there was a resistance to it built in our Congress and in the American people. They thought that it was a fraud and nothing like that was happening, and right now, I just can’t think of how it could conceivably be what they claim, because it’s helping ISIS, because it’s helping Al-Qaeda.” -U.S Congressman Ron Paul
You wanna know who else is currently in a war with Syria? ISIS. So either this means a total US occupation of the entire Middle East to also push through remaining ISIS territory all the way to the border of Iran, which I'm sure the Iranians and Russians will not be happy about. I'm not saying I'm against getting rid of ISIS, I'm just saying this war is not just going to encompass Syria.
Tons of anomalies and questionable factors are not being weighed into the main stream approach and it's not because they aren't aware of it, it's because they might not want people to fully grasp what has been going on in the Middle East in recent years. Maybe US Intelligence doesn't want you in on it?
If you watch this following video, the situation is very similar to the one we're going through now.
https://youtu.be/4gXwhsVA6ZI
Quote:"Barack Obama did not tell the whole story this autumn when he tried to make the case that Bashar al-Assad was responsible for the chemical weapons attack near Damascus on 21 August. In some instances, he omitted important intelligence, and in others he presented assumptions as facts. Most significant, he failed to acknowledge something known to the US intelligence community: that the Syrian army is not the only party in the country’s civil war with access to sarin, the nerve agent that a UN study concluded – without assessing responsibility – had been used in the rocket attack. In the months before the attack, the American intelligence agencies produced a series of highly classified reports, culminating in a formal Operations Order – a planning document that precedes a ground invasion – citing evidence that the al-Nusra Front, a jihadi group affiliated with al-Qaida, had mastered the mechanics of creating sarin and was capable of manufacturing it in quantity. When the attack occurred al-Nusra should have been a suspect, but the administration cherry-picked intelligence to justify a strike against Assad." -Seymour M. Hersh
https://www.lrb.co.uk/v35/n24/seymour-m-...hose-sarin
This is the same guy who reported on the coverup of military massacres during the Vietnam War, is it really that outlandish to speculate on this sort of issue? Fast forward to the modern day, we see the same exact event occur yet again and immediately the drums of war start pounding as if it were the fucking Balkans in 1914. Jesus how the fuck do we speculate at all if every time someone does they get called an idiot for not following the crowd that supports the story presented by the media. And funny how if you don't follow the headlines plastered on the American news networks and actually look at both sides of a conflict you get labeled as siding with the enemy because the red scare or some shit like that. That sort of cold war argumentative strategy is not only outdated but defeats the purpose of open discussion.
https://www.newser.com/story/240999/russ...trike.html
And now the media is unanimously covering this one story to get the same american war machine that invaded Iraq rolling again. The kremlin is warning that we could be one step away from an all out war all so that we got to show the size of our dick to Xi Jinping and Kim Jung Un. And that isn't to say we haven't been on the brink of war in the recent past, but hey one of these times it might not be a false alarm and might actually break out. And yeah let's never question US intelligence agencies because it's not like they've ever been wrong about anything before.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_of_Pigs_Invasion
And you better get your tin foil hat on because the CIA and many other federal level agencies have been using lies and deception as one of their primary tools for ages now. They even planned a false flag on US soil just to justify a full scale war with Cuba in the 60s. It wasn't stopped till JFK put the plug on it and you see what happened to him, didn't ya?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
Quote:The proposals called for the (CIA) or other US government operatives to commit acts of terrorism against American civilians and military targets, blaming it on the Cuban government, and using it to justify a war against Cuba.
But yeah no, the CIA/feds nor any other government funded agency that has a history of meddling in world events would never lie to you to push hidden rhetoric. And it's absolutely foolish to question the narrative that everyone else is unanimously following because their TV told them so. /s
If this escalates to war, this will not be as simple as the Iraq War or Afghan War.
It's also very possible that Trump might be playing the world.
1 When the heavens above did not exist,
2 And earth beneath had not come into being —
3 There was Apsû, the first in order, their begetter,
4 And demiurge Tia-mat, who gave birth to them all;
5 They had mingled their waters together
6 Before meadow-land had coalesced and reed-bed was to he found —
7 When not one of the gods had been formed
8 Or had come into being, when no destinies had been decreed,
9 The gods were created within them:
10 Lah(mu and Lah(amu were formed and came into being.
11 While they grew and increased in stature
12 Anšar and Kišar, who excelled them, were created.
13 They prolonged their days, they multiplied their years.
14 Anu, their son, could rival his fathers.
15 Anu, the son, equalled Anšar,
16 And Anu begat Nudimmud, his own equal.
17 Nudimmud was the champion among his fathers:
18 Profoundly discerning, wise, of robust strength;
19 Very much stronger than his father's begetter, Anšar
20 He had no rival among the gods, his brothers.
21 The divine brothers came together,
22 Their clamour got loud, throwing Tia-mat into a turmoil.
23 They jarred the nerves of Tia-mat,
24 And by their dancing they spread alarm in Anduruna.
25 Apsû did not diminish their clamour,
26 And Tia-mat was silent when confronted with them.
27 Their conduct was displeasing to her,
28 Yet though their behaviour was not good, she wished to spare them.
29 Thereupon Apsû, the begetter of the great gods,
30 Called Mummu, his vizier, and addressed him,
31 "Vizier Mummu, who gratifies my pleasure,
32 Come, let us go to Tia-mat!"
33 They went and sat, facing Tia-mat,
34 As they conferred about the gods, their sons.
35 Apsû opened his mouth
36 And addressed Tia-mat
37 "Their behaviour has become displeasing to me
38 And I cannot rest in the day-time or sleep at night.
39 I will destroy and break up their way of life
40 That silence may reign and we may sleep."
41 When Tia-mat heard this
42 She raged and cried out to her spouse,
43 She cried in distress, fuming within herself,
44 She grieved over the (plotted) evil,
45 "How can we destroy what we have given birth to?
46 Though their behaviour causes distress, let us tighten discipline graciously."
47 Mummu spoke up with counsel for Apsû—
48 (As from) a rebellious vizier was the counsel of his Mummu—
49 "Destroy, my father, that lawless way of life,
50 That you may rest in the day-time and sleep by night!"
51 Apsû was pleased with him, his face beamed
52 Because he had plotted evil against the gods, his sons.
53 Mummu put his arms around Apsû's neck,
54 He sat on his knees kissing him.
55 What they plotted in their gathering
56 Was reported to the gods, their sons.
57 The gods heard it and were frantic.
58 They were overcome with silence and sat quietly.
59 Ea, who excels in knowledge, the skilled and learned,
60 Ea, who knows everything, perceived their tricks.
61 He fashioned it and made it to be all-embracing,
62 He executed it skilfully as supreme—his pure incantation.
63 He recited it and set it on the waters,
64 He poured sleep upon him as he was slumbering deeply.
65 He put Apsû to slumber as he poured out sleep,
66 And Mummu, the counsellor, was breathless with agitation.
67 He split (Apsû's) sinews, ripped off his crown,
68 Carried away his aura and put it on himself.
69 He bound Apsû and killed him;
70 Mummu he confined and handled roughly.
71 He set his dwelling upon Apsû,
72 And laid hold on Mummu, keeping the nose-rope in his hand.
73 After Ea had bound and slain his enemies,
74 Had achieved victory over his foes,
75 He rested quietly in his chamber,
76 He called it Apsû, whose shrines he appointed.
77 Then he founded his living-quarters within it,
78 And Ea and Damkina, his wife, sat in splendour.
79 In the chamber of the destinies, the room of the archetypes,
80 The wisest of the wise, the sage of the gods, Be-l was conceived.
81 In Apsû was Marduk born,
82 In pure Apsû was Marduk born.
83 Ea his father begat him,
84 Damkina his mother bore him.
85 He sucked the breasts of goddesses,
86 A nurse reared him and filled him with terror.
87 His figure was well developed, the glance of his eyes was dazzling,
88 His growth was manly, he was mighty from the beginning.
89 Anu, his father's begetter, saw him,
90 He exulted and smiled; his heart filled with joy.
91 Anu rendered him perfect: his divinity was remarkable,
92 And he became very lofty, excelling them in his attributes.
93 His members were incomprehensibly wonderful,
94 Incapable of being grasped with the mind, hard even to look on.
95 Four were his eyes, four his ears,
96 Flame shot forth as he moved his lips.
97 His four ears grew large,
93 And his eyes likewise took in everything.
99 His figure was lofty and superior in comparison with the gods,
100 His limbs were surpassing, his nature was superior.
101 'Mari-utu, Mari-utu,
102 The Son, the Sun-god, the Sun-god of the gods.'
103 He was clothed with the aura of the Ten Gods, so exalted was his strength,
104 The Fifty Dreads were loaded upon him.
105 Anu formed and gave birth to the four winds,
106 He delivered them to him, "My son, let them whirl!"
107 He formed dust and set a hurricane to drive it,
108 He made a wave to bring consternation on Tia-mat.
109 Tia-mat was confounded; day and night she was frantic.
110 The gods took no rest, they . . . . . . .
111 In their minds they plotted evil,
112 And addressed their mother Tia-mat,
113 "When Apsû, your spouse, was killed,
114 You did not go at his side, but sat quietly.
115 The four dreadful winds have been fashioned
116 To throw you into confusion, and we cannot sleep.
117 You gave no thought to Apsû, your spouse,
113 Nor to Mummu, who is a prisoner. Now you sit alone.
119 Henceforth you will be in frantic consternation!
120 And as for us, who cannot rest, you do not love us!
121 Consider our burden, our eyes are hollow.
122 Break the immovable yoke that we may sleep.
123 Make battle, avenge them!
124 [ . . ] . . . . reduce to nothingness!
125 Tia-mat heard, the speech pleased her,
126 (She said,) "Let us make demons, [as you] have advised."
127 The gods assembled within her.
128 They conceived [evil] against the gods their begetters.
129 They . . . . . and took the side of Tia-mat,
130 Fiercely plotting, unresting by night and day,
131 Lusting for battle, raging, storming,
132 They set up a host to bring about conflict.
133 Mother H(ubur, who forms everything,
134 Supplied irresistible weapons, and gave birth to giant serpents.
135 They had sharp teeth, they were merciless . . . .
136 With poison instead of blood she filled their bodies.
137 She clothed the fearful monsters with dread,
138 She loaded them with an aura and made them godlike.
139 (She said,) "Let their onlooker feebly perish,
140 May they constantly leap forward and never retire."
141 She created the Hydra, the Dragon, the Hairy Hero
142 The Great Demon, the Savage Dog, and the Scorpion-man,
143 Fierce demons, the Fish-man, and the Bull-man,
144 Carriers of merciless weapons, fearless in the face of battle.
145 Her commands were tremendous, not to be resisted.
146 Altogether she made eleven of that kind.
147 Among the gods, her sons, whom she constituted her host,
148 She exalted Qingu, and magnified him among them.
149 The leadership of the army, the direction of the host,
150 The bearing of weapons, campaigning, the mobilization of conflict,
151 The chief executive power of battle, supreme command,
152 She entrusted to him and set him on a throne,
153 "I have cast the spell for you and exalted you in the host of the gods,
154 I have delivered to you the rule of all the gods.
155 You are indeed exalted, my spouse, you are renowned,
156 Let your commands prevail over all the Anunnaki."
157 She gave him the Tablet of Destinies and fastened it to his breast,
158 (Saying) "Your order may not be changed; let the utterance of your mouth be firm."
159 After Qingu was elevated and had acquired the power of Anuship,
160 He decreed the destinies for the gods, her sons:
161 "May the utterance of your mouths subdue the fire-god,
162 May your poison by its accumulation put down aggression."
(This post was last modified: Apr 9, 2017, 11:45 AM by Dig. Edited 2 times in total.
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