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(Feb 24, 2017, 10:30 PM)ForceGhost Wrote: If teachers are the same as anyone else on the server,

Why has the suggestion in regards to giving them the ability to hand a REPs been approved?

https://limelightgaming.net/forums/thread-9647.html

Uh oh..... not another repeat of what happend with a similar Teacher team from before.

Within that ONE month of them having the ability the only one who actually got given REP's were Teachers friends, people who arse licked teachers which the whole point of teachers is to make them so they are equal to others in the community, as soon as they have the REP ability may as well chuck them the ability for moderator powers.
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(Feb 24, 2017, 10:54 PM)PaulB Wrote:
(Feb 24, 2017, 10:30 PM)ForceGhost Wrote: If teachers are the same as anyone else on the server,

Why has the suggestion in regards to giving them the ability to hand a REPs been approved?

https://limelightgaming.net/forums/thread-9647.html

Uh oh..... not another repeat of what happend with a similar Teacher team from before.

Within that ONE month of them having the ability the only one who actually got given REP's were Teachers friends, people who arse licked teachers which the whole point of teachers is to make them so they are equal to others in the community, as soon as they have the REP ability may as well chuck them the ability for moderator powers.

The team you are talking about, you understand how loose the program was at that time? People were being accepted with total vote outcome no more than 5. The program since then has become more strict, and if a system like that was to be put in place we could discuss having safeguards in place to avoid its abuse. Or we can leave it as is because someone abused it at some point on a different situation when limelight was in a different state.

In my opinion this is not really necessary if the staff can't trust as enough or a solution which they would like can not be found, we would still be able to fulfil our duties without being able to give REPs.

But remember, because someone else abused it, it does not mean we will too. It is not the same situation. Worst case scenario, if said abuse does happen, teacher is demoted and the damage is reverted.
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Feb 24, 2017, 11:46 PM
(Feb 24, 2017, 10:54 PM)PaulB Wrote:
(Feb 24, 2017, 10:30 PM)ForceGhost Wrote: If teachers are the same as anyone else on the server,

Why has the suggestion in regards to giving them the ability to hand a REPs been approved?

https://limelightgaming.net/forums/thread-9647.html

Uh oh..... not another repeat of what happend with a similar Teacher team from before.

Within that ONE month of them having the ability the only one who actually got given REP's were Teachers friends, people who arse licked teachers which the whole point of teachers is to make them so they are equal to others in the community, as soon as they have the REP ability may as well chuck them the ability for moderator powers.

That was a different team, at a different time.

Why not give teachers a chance to prove that they ain't the baby-punching, tax-evading, power-whoring, untrustworthy failures of human beings that some people seem to think we are?

Normally, I don't care what people think of me (see 99% of my posts), but seriously... This is starting to get mildly hurtful, where anything we do gets ignored, any work we put in is nullified, and sembelance of personality we have is stripped from us, becoming the shadow mass of "the teachers".

Paul, I've spoken to you before, you're a cool bloke. Rickets, I may not have liked you, but at least I respected your contributions in the past. Faustin, we used to talk. When did I turn into a normal guy into """"the teacher"""".

It's a pressing question, why should we bother putting time and effort into our roles, when all it serves is to have a target painted on us, constantly comparing us to """"the old team"""".

We're different people, from a different time. Your experiences may have been tarred by the old team... Please don't pass that on to us.

Not only that. In the past, everyone who wanted to get in would have gotten in. I've looked through past teacher applications. Less than half the teachers at the time voted on some. Now? We get administrators, teachers, moderators and developers all looking through applications, looking for a reasons that they may not be suited. You may not trust teachers, but do you trust the judgement of the administration team to vet teachers?

Please, I'm begging you all. If you truly think we're bad people, explain why.
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Feb 24, 2017, 11:50 PM
Giving out REP's as Teachers is a huge no no. You don't need to be handing out an item that is supposed to be rare and extremely valuable to a player.

I hate to say it, but Teachers are not quality controlled as much as Staff. If we gave Teachers power to give REP's out, it would just increase the border between Player and Teacher.
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Feb 24, 2017, 11:52 PM
I can also see the whole "rep" thing becoming dead if they had the ability due to them handing reps out like cookies. Last time they did it a Teacher was handing 10+ Reps out a DAY.
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Please, take a look at @Burnett's post about how they are logged. You're all saying that eveything's going to be the same, ignoring everything that changed between then and now.
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Can we get back on topic though? This is not about teachers being able to give REPs, it was just brought up to back up an argument.
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(Feb 24, 2017, 11:56 PM)Doctor Internet Wrote: Please, take a look at @Burnett's post about how they are logged. You're all saying that eveything's going to be the same, ignoring everything that changed between then and now.

The fact is only dev's can look at this database and as the old ECSE went, nobody looked. If teachers could give REP out they will be treated like staff which is the opposite of what we all want.
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Regarding that thread.

For those who haven't, please check my latest comment.
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(Feb 24, 2017, 11:50 PM)Soviethooves Wrote: Giving out REP's as Teachers is a huge no no. You don't need to be handing out an item that is supposed to be rare and extremely valuable to a player.

Thats were admins come wrong here , Reps was created to be handle easly and something to be easy to reward , we had rp points experience in pass , thats the reason why i dont support any feature/item locked behind reps , because admins thing they are to be handling  very rare or when players do amazing rps , when its suppose to be handle for good interactions betweens players ...

As for teachers be able to give reps , i support them , its not big deal , if goes wrong take the power again and remove the reps they gave , simple as that
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(Feb 25, 2017, 01:55 AM)The Rock Wrote:
(Feb 24, 2017, 11:50 PM)Soviethooves Wrote: Giving out REP's as Teachers is a huge no no. You don't need to be handing out an item that is supposed to be rare and extremely valuable to a player.

Thats were admins come wrong here , Reps was created to be handle easly and something to be easy to reward , we had rp points experience in pass , thats the reason why i dont support any feature/item locked behind reps , because admins thing they are to be handling  very rare or when players do amazing rps , when its suppose to be handle for good interactions betweens players ...

As for teachers be able to give reps , i support them , its not big deal , if goes wrong take the power again and remove the reps they gave , simple as that

Why would we have a special point for good RP's if we just hand them out commonly? It leaves a goal for the players to work towards as just being on the server and doing a job isn't enough to deserve (what is supposed to be) a rare item to unlock rare rewards.
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Should have stuck with RPP imo, they were simple but very effective back in my day. *waves cane*
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(Feb 25, 2017, 03:32 AM)Preditor Wrote: Should have stuck with RPP imo, they were simple but very effective back in my day. *waves cane*

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1 When the heavens above did not exist,
2 And earth beneath had not come into being —
3 There was Apsû, the first in order, their begetter,
4 And demiurge Tia-mat, who gave birth to them all;
5 They had mingled their waters together
6 Before meadow-land had coalesced and reed-bed was to he found —
7 When not one of the gods had been formed
8 Or had come into being, when no destinies had been decreed,
9 The gods were created within them:
10 Lah(mu and Lah(amu were formed and came into being.
11 While they grew and increased in stature
12 Anšar and Kišar, who excelled them, were created.
13 They prolonged their days, they multiplied their years.
14 Anu, their son, could rival his fathers.
15 Anu, the son, equalled Anšar,
16 And Anu begat Nudimmud, his own equal.
17 Nudimmud was the champion among his fathers:
18 Profoundly discerning, wise, of robust strength;
19 Very much stronger than his father's begetter, Anšar
20 He had no rival among the gods, his brothers.
21 The divine brothers came together,
22 Their clamour got loud, throwing Tia-mat into a turmoil.
23 They jarred the nerves of Tia-mat,
24 And by their dancing they spread alarm in Anduruna.
25 Apsû did not diminish their clamour,
26 And Tia-mat was silent when confronted with them.
27 Their conduct was displeasing to her,
28 Yet though their behaviour was not good, she wished to spare them.
29 Thereupon Apsû, the begetter of the great gods,
30 Called Mummu, his vizier, and addressed him,
31 "Vizier Mummu, who gratifies my pleasure,
32 Come, let us go to Tia-mat!"
33 They went and sat, facing Tia-mat,
34 As they conferred about the gods, their sons.
35 Apsû opened his mouth
36 And addressed Tia-mat
37 "Their behaviour has become displeasing to me
38 And I cannot rest in the day-time or sleep at night.
39 I will destroy and break up their way of life
40 That silence may reign and we may sleep."
41 When Tia-mat heard this
42 She raged and cried out to her spouse,
43 She cried in distress, fuming within herself,
44 She grieved over the (plotted) evil,
45 "How can we destroy what we have given birth to?
46 Though their behaviour causes distress, let us tighten discipline graciously."
47 Mummu spoke up with counsel for Apsû—
48 (As from) a rebellious vizier was the counsel of his Mummu—
49 "Destroy, my father, that lawless way of life,
50 That you may rest in the day-time and sleep by night!"
51 Apsû was pleased with him, his face beamed
52 Because he had plotted evil against the gods, his sons.
53 Mummu put his arms around Apsû's neck,
54 He sat on his knees kissing him.
55 What they plotted in their gathering
56 Was reported to the gods, their sons.
57 The gods heard it and were frantic.
58 They were overcome with silence and sat quietly.
59 Ea, who excels in knowledge, the skilled and learned,
60 Ea, who knows everything, perceived their tricks.
61 He fashioned it and made it to be all-embracing,
62 He executed it skilfully as supreme—his pure incantation.
63 He recited it and set it on the waters,
64 He poured sleep upon him as he was slumbering deeply.
65 He put Apsû to slumber as he poured out sleep,
66 And Mummu, the counsellor, was breathless with agitation.
67 He split (Apsû's) sinews, ripped off his crown,
68 Carried away his aura and put it on himself.
69 He bound Apsû and killed him;
70 Mummu he confined and handled roughly.
71 He set his dwelling upon Apsû,
72 And laid hold on Mummu, keeping the nose-rope in his hand.
73 After Ea had bound and slain his enemies,
74 Had achieved victory over his foes,
75 He rested quietly in his chamber,
76 He called it Apsû, whose shrines he appointed.
77 Then he founded his living-quarters within it,
78 And Ea and Damkina, his wife, sat in splendour.
79 In the chamber of the destinies, the room of the archetypes,
80 The wisest of the wise, the sage of the gods, Be-l was conceived.
81 In Apsû was Marduk born,
82 In pure Apsû was Marduk born.
83 Ea his father begat him,
84 Damkina his mother bore him.
85 He sucked the breasts of goddesses,
86 A nurse reared him and filled him with terror.
87 His figure was well developed, the glance of his eyes was dazzling,
88 His growth was manly, he was mighty from the beginning.
89 Anu, his father's begetter, saw him,
90 He exulted and smiled; his heart filled with joy.
91 Anu rendered him perfect: his divinity was remarkable,
92 And he became very lofty, excelling them in his attributes.
93 His members were incomprehensibly wonderful,
94 Incapable of being grasped with the mind, hard even to look on.
95 Four were his eyes, four his ears,
96 Flame shot forth as he moved his lips.
97 His four ears grew large,
93 And his eyes likewise took in everything.
99 His figure was lofty and superior in comparison with the gods,
100 His limbs were surpassing, his nature was superior.
101 'Mari-utu, Mari-utu,
102 The Son, the Sun-god, the Sun-god of the gods.'
103 He was clothed with the aura of the Ten Gods, so exalted was his strength,
104 The Fifty Dreads were loaded upon him.
105 Anu formed and gave birth to the four winds,
106 He delivered them to him, "My son, let them whirl!"
107 He formed dust and set a hurricane to drive it,
108 He made a wave to bring consternation on Tia-mat.
109 Tia-mat was confounded; day and night she was frantic.
110 The gods took no rest, they . . . . . . .
111 In their minds they plotted evil,
112 And addressed their mother Tia-mat,
113 "When Apsû, your spouse, was killed,
114 You did not go at his side, but sat quietly.
115 The four dreadful winds have been fashioned
116 To throw you into confusion, and we cannot sleep.
117 You gave no thought to Apsû, your spouse,
113 Nor to Mummu, who is a prisoner. Now you sit alone.
119 Henceforth you will be in frantic consternation!
120 And as for us, who cannot rest, you do not love us!
121 Consider our burden, our eyes are hollow.
122 Break the immovable yoke that we may sleep.
123 Make battle, avenge them!
124 [ . . ] . . . . reduce to nothingness!
125 Tia-mat heard, the speech pleased her,
126 (She said,) "Let us make demons, [as you] have advised."
127 The gods assembled within her.
128 They conceived [evil] against the gods their begetters.
129 They . . . . . and took the side of Tia-mat,
130 Fiercely plotting, unresting by night and day,
131 Lusting for battle, raging, storming,
132 They set up a host to bring about conflict.
133 Mother H(ubur, who forms everything,
134 Supplied irresistible weapons, and gave birth to giant serpents.
135 They had sharp teeth, they were merciless . . . .
136 With poison instead of blood she filled their bodies.
137 She clothed the fearful monsters with dread,
138 She loaded them with an aura and made them godlike.
139 (She said,) "Let their onlooker feebly perish,
140 May they constantly leap forward and never retire."
141 She created the Hydra, the Dragon, the Hairy Hero
142 The Great Demon, the Savage Dog, and the Scorpion-man,
143 Fierce demons, the Fish-man, and the Bull-man,
144 Carriers of merciless weapons, fearless in the face of battle.
145 Her commands were tremendous, not to be resisted.
146 Altogether she made eleven of that kind.
147 Among the gods, her sons, whom she constituted her host,
148 She exalted Qingu, and magnified him among them.
149 The leadership of the army, the direction of the host,
150 The bearing of weapons, campaigning, the mobilization of conflict,
151 The chief executive power of battle, supreme command,
152 She entrusted to him and set him on a throne,
153 "I have cast the spell for you and exalted you in the host of the gods,
154 I have delivered to you the rule of all the gods.
155 You are indeed exalted, my spouse, you are renowned,
156 Let your commands prevail over all the Anunnaki."
157 She gave him the Tablet of Destinies and fastened it to his breast,
158 (Saying) "Your order may not be changed; let the utterance of your mouth be firm."
159 After Qingu was elevated and had acquired the power of Anuship,
160 He decreed the destinies for the gods, her sons:
161 "May the utterance of your mouths subdue the fire-god,
162 May your poison by its accumulation put down aggression."
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(Feb 24, 2017, 09:35 AM)Doctor Internet Wrote:
(Feb 24, 2017, 06:28 AM)thefaketaco Wrote:
(Feb 23, 2017, 09:57 PM)ForceGhost Wrote:
(Feb 23, 2017, 09:23 PM)Innovative Wrote: Last time I checked contributors weren't the subject of this discussion, so let's keep it that way.

Why? It's relevant to the issue,

if teachers aren't on the team page, why are contributors when neither were or are part of the staff team?

Contributors do way more work lmao.

I wish I could agree. However, that's not the point of this. Teachers do work, why are they not credited for it? Is it because they don't do enough? If that's the case, why do they always get denied when they try to do more?

I don't suppose you see my issue.

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