[Doctor Internet]

Last time I checked contributors weren't the subject of this discussion, so let's keep it that way.

Why? It's relevant to the issue,

if teachers aren't on the team page, why are contributors when neither were or are part of the staff team?

Contributors do way more work lmao.

I wish I could agree. However, that's not the point of this. Teachers do work, why are they not credited for it? Is it because they don't do enough? If that's the case, why do they always get denied when they try to do more?

I don't suppose you see my issue.

[Project]

And this has become an one sided argument once more. I am not going to argue with a wall.
I gave you points on how the program is flawed and why what you are trying to achieve wont happen and all I am getting as a response is "You don't deserve it.", we ask to be given more responsibilities "We can't trust you."

I will say this only one more time.

@Preditor Not all times are the same, it was much easier to get in the teacher team then than now. The community asks for more from the program. (See recent applications, there is a direct link on multiple factors where people tend to base their support on.) It took me months to get into the team, the first applicants got teacher with very few votes on their applications, entirely fault of how the teacher was being run by the higher ups.

@PaulB You have ignored my point. I am trying to explain that in a program is fundamentally flawed. Not trying to prove I am better.

@Soviethooves There is a difference between encouraging people to help and having a dedicated team to helping and promoting RP.


As for my arguments:
I wasn't trying to say teachers are better than donators, but no matter how hard you try you can't take the top performing part of a group put it in another rank with basically the same level of power as them(level referring to the fact we can't do much more than a player), with a hint of additional commands and expect everyone to feel equal.

You either accept the fact we are not equal not because of our rank but because we are picked for our performance and skillset. (Yet again, that doesn't mean any player can't get there, there are players who are better than us and are still helping and do not want to become teachers, that person is not equal with the average player in limelight but still is a member of them. Same goes for us, just the fact we have a different name to make it clear we are there to assist not show off.) We are equal as far ranks goes but when you consider what the teacher program requires for it to get in, we are not equally performing with the average guy.

Last but not least, you ask us to be role models (A role model is a person whose behavior, example, or success is or can be emulated by others, especially by younger people."Source: Wikipedia"). You are expecting us to be the best limelight has to offer and then tell us we are equal with the average player. It is not possible to have both, you realise that right?



tl;dr
We are still going to be approachable, if people change how they act or get on their high horse, just drag them off it and remind them who they are and what they are supposed to do.

Yeah sure, we are not as important as contributors but in my opinion what we do for limelight has a positive outcome for it. We are contributing our time and knowledge, that's all we are told and allowed to do. This could change if we are trusted a bit more and stop bringing up things that happened in the previous generations of teachers. I am getting annoyed just taking you word for it.

[General Rickets]

I have not seen any teachers promote RP tho

[Project]

I have not seen any teachers promote RP tho

Probably you wont see us. It is not done over OOC. It is done via going up to the player, showing him basic tools and how they can be used to make their roleplay more complex. I am going to show someone new how to do basic /me and /it when being pulled over. I will show someone how to take a situation and make a roleplay out of it instead of shooting someone, showing them how to avoid powergaming and how to use /roll to attempt to do roleplay instead of him forcing you into something you don't want (aka powergaming). Considering older players too, I am going to suggest adding something to their build, ask if they need our help, stay around his RP to make it look populated and have him interacting with players, help him better his interaction if need be.

I would love if more people in the community pointed out people who need help with their roleplay or inform us of a roleplay that could benefit by our presence.

tl;dr
You are not going to see us promoting a roleplay because promoting is not shouting about it, it is about helping said roleplay to attract players to it or is about sitting down with someone and explaining to him what each command does and how it can be used to make his roleplay better. That is what promoting roleplay is.

[General Rickets]

I disagree 100% thats not promoting RP at all thats just introducing someone to the game mode.

[Apex]

I disagree 100% thats not promoting RP at all thats just introducing someone to the game mode.

How can they RP if they do not understand the game-mode?

[BlackDog]

To be honest the method project states in how they promote RP is the same method I use, i never announce it globaly and perfer to work with smaller groups that can if the RP goes well enough expand to larger groups, never will I start it large.

This allows the RP your promoting to maintain its focus and keep it from disrupting other RP on the server as an announcement that "This RP is happening here, those who wish to join in join in" Usualy results in the death of at least 50% of the servers RP as everyone rushes to that one RP that was announced, depending on who is announing it, it can very well kill 90% of the general RP on the server.

[Fly]

Ugh, this discussion has no point. I agree that we as a community should be able to vote regarding community-related matters, but this should, in my opinion, be up to the Staff and Teachers to decide (As already mentioned before).

@Faustie seems to have a very good idea, and i see no reason not to do that. I am not really with/against this, but the only solution to the conflict seems to be this.

Though, i'd be interested to see a change on the Teacher-side, this also includes a better optimized teacher programme, and Teacher privileges chosen by the community. If the Teachers want more recognition, i'd say they should work for it.


EDIT: By "Work for it", i mean that their position should include other tasks than just helping etc. (Ergo making their job harder)

[Fly]

To be honest the method project states in how they promote RP is the same method I use, i never announce it globaly and perfer to work with smaller groups that can if the RP goes well enough expand to larger groups, never will I start it large.

This allows the RP your promoting to maintain its focus and keep it from disrupting other RP on the server as an announcement that "This RP is happening here, those who wish to join in join in" Usualy results in the death of at least 50% of the servers RP as everyone rushes to that one RP that was announced, depending on who is announing it, it can very well kill 90% of the general RP on the server.

Man, you have only liked one post on the forums. I'd pay for your like.
*throws imaginary dollars*

[Taylor]

What do teachers get from being displayed on the Team page? "ooooh I'm better than youuuu, suck mah nutz".

No. -Support

EDIT: On a serious note, I see absolutely NO benefits from this? Apart from the fact teachers get to feel slightly better about themselves. On the other hand, I can list plenty of negatives; Numero uno see original comment. Numero Dos some teachers might let the power go to their head and start acting bigger. Numero Tres, you would have to re-introduce the Teacher forums tags, which is pointless as Teachers do not need to be identified on the forums? You get the idea.

[Fly]

What do teachers get from being displayed on the Team page? "ooooh I'm better than youuuu, suck mah nutz".

No. -Support

+Support Faustin's (and Faustie's) Argument.
-Support OPs idea.

[Taylor]

Last time I checked contributors weren't the subject of this discussion, so let's keep it that way.

Why? It's relevant to the issue,

if teachers aren't on the team page, why are contributors when neither were or are part of the staff team?

Contributors do way more work lmao.

I wish I could agree. However, that's not the point of this. Teachers do work, why are they not credited for it? Is it because they don't do enough? If that's the case, why do they always get denied when they try to do more?

I don't suppose you see my issue.

As Soviet (basically) said, the work Teachers do isn't even comparable to the work Contributors do. It's like comparing a tax evader to a soldier.

[Doctor Internet]

Last time I checked contributors weren't the subject of this discussion, so let's keep it that way.

Why? It's relevant to the issue,

if teachers aren't on the team page, why are contributors when neither were or are part of the staff team?

Contributors do way more work lmao.

I wish I could agree. However, that's not the point of this. Teachers do work, why are they not credited for it? Is it because they don't do enough? If that's the case, why do they always get denied when they try to do more?

I don't suppose you see my issue.

As Soviet (basically) said, the work Teachers do isn't even comparable to the work Contributors do. It's like comparing a tax evader to a soldier.

With all due respect, don't compare teachers to criminals. Teachers and Contributors both help the server, Tax evaders take from the state, whilst soldiers give to it. It's not comparable. it's insulting, and whilst I get that most people hate the teacher team for whatever reason (lack of trust, failed to get in themselves, hate the concept, hate the people in it, hate me, etc etc), it would be nice, polite and all those other words to keep this conversation civil. I'm sure you didn't mean to offend anyone, but for anyone who's a teacher, or was a teacher, the implication is insulting.

[Taylor]

Why? It's relevant to the issue,

if teachers aren't on the team page, why are contributors when neither were or are part of the staff team?

Contributors do way more work lmao.

I wish I could agree. However, that's not the point of this. Teachers do work, why are they not credited for it? Is it because they don't do enough? If that's the case, why do they always get denied when they try to do more?

I don't suppose you see my issue.

As Soviet (basically) said, the work Teachers do isn't even comparable to the work Contributors do. It's like comparing a tax evader to a soldier.

With all due respect, don't compare teachers to criminals. Teachers and Contributors both help the server, Tax evaders take from the state, whilst soldiers give to it. It's not comparable. it's insulting, and whilst I get that most people hate the teacher team for whatever reason (lack of trust, failed to get in themselves, hate the concept, hate the people in it, hate me, etc etc), it would be nice, polite and all those other words to keep this conversation civil. I'm sure you didn't mean to offend anyone, but for anyone who's a teacher, or was a teacher, the implication is insulting.

In no way was I intending to be insulting, I was simply comparing the amount of work. You as both a Teacher and a Contributor should know that you have to do a lot more work as a contributor, and equally contributors benefit the community more.

[ForceGhost]

If teachers are the same as anyone else on the server,

Why has the suggestion in regards to giving them the ability to hand a REPs been approved?

https://limelightgaming.net/forums/thread-9647.html