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9/11 Remembrance Thread - 2016
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Sep 11, 2016, 01:09 AM
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This thread has been created for people to discuss the events relating to the attacks on September 11th. Please feel free to post any memories, observations, news, discussions or images/videos that you have in this thread.
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Sep 11, 2016, 08:19 AM
I saw a video couple days ago a homemade video from an apartment just a couple blocks from the WTC, filming the burning first building and then as the second plane hits. It was pretty striking because not every person had a device to record on back then.

The terror in their voices was so palpable it's insane, the moment they realise that it's not an accident but an attack is just chilling.

(Gonna try and find it)

Edit: I think it's this one. Even watching it now my heartrate's increased, fuck.

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Sep 11, 2016, 08:32 AM
Memories.... Not many. Born 3months 10days before it happened lmfao
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Sep 11, 2016, 10:51 AM
Though remembrance and respect to those who lost their lives is undoubtedly something we should
put our minds toward each year, I can't help but hate the way it's used as a media pedestal nowadays.
We need to remember that events like these have geopolitical effects and the constant reminder that
we live in a world often held hostage by terrorist organizations only adds to the effort of staying strong.

I'm not saying we shouldn't remember and honor the victims of the 9/11 atrocities, but I'm a grump when
it comes to all the twitter, facebook and most social media posts that exploit it simply to gain a following.
1 When the heavens above did not exist,
2 And earth beneath had not come into being —
3 There was Apsû, the first in order, their begetter,
4 And demiurge Tia-mat, who gave birth to them all;
5 They had mingled their waters together
6 Before meadow-land had coalesced and reed-bed was to he found —
7 When not one of the gods had been formed
8 Or had come into being, when no destinies had been decreed,
9 The gods were created within them:
10 Lah(mu and Lah(amu were formed and came into being.
11 While they grew and increased in stature
12 Anšar and Kišar, who excelled them, were created.
13 They prolonged their days, they multiplied their years.
14 Anu, their son, could rival his fathers.
15 Anu, the son, equalled Anšar,
16 And Anu begat Nudimmud, his own equal.
17 Nudimmud was the champion among his fathers:
18 Profoundly discerning, wise, of robust strength;
19 Very much stronger than his father's begetter, Anšar
20 He had no rival among the gods, his brothers.
21 The divine brothers came together,
22 Their clamour got loud, throwing Tia-mat into a turmoil.
23 They jarred the nerves of Tia-mat,
24 And by their dancing they spread alarm in Anduruna.
25 Apsû did not diminish their clamour,
26 And Tia-mat was silent when confronted with them.
27 Their conduct was displeasing to her,
28 Yet though their behaviour was not good, she wished to spare them.
29 Thereupon Apsû, the begetter of the great gods,
30 Called Mummu, his vizier, and addressed him,
31 "Vizier Mummu, who gratifies my pleasure,
32 Come, let us go to Tia-mat!"
33 They went and sat, facing Tia-mat,
34 As they conferred about the gods, their sons.
35 Apsû opened his mouth
36 And addressed Tia-mat
37 "Their behaviour has become displeasing to me
38 And I cannot rest in the day-time or sleep at night.
39 I will destroy and break up their way of life
40 That silence may reign and we may sleep."
41 When Tia-mat heard this
42 She raged and cried out to her spouse,
43 She cried in distress, fuming within herself,
44 She grieved over the (plotted) evil,
45 "How can we destroy what we have given birth to?
46 Though their behaviour causes distress, let us tighten discipline graciously."
47 Mummu spoke up with counsel for Apsû—
48 (As from) a rebellious vizier was the counsel of his Mummu—
49 "Destroy, my father, that lawless way of life,
50 That you may rest in the day-time and sleep by night!"
51 Apsû was pleased with him, his face beamed
52 Because he had plotted evil against the gods, his sons.
53 Mummu put his arms around Apsû's neck,
54 He sat on his knees kissing him.
55 What they plotted in their gathering
56 Was reported to the gods, their sons.
57 The gods heard it and were frantic.
58 They were overcome with silence and sat quietly.
59 Ea, who excels in knowledge, the skilled and learned,
60 Ea, who knows everything, perceived their tricks.
61 He fashioned it and made it to be all-embracing,
62 He executed it skilfully as supreme—his pure incantation.
63 He recited it and set it on the waters,
64 He poured sleep upon him as he was slumbering deeply.
65 He put Apsû to slumber as he poured out sleep,
66 And Mummu, the counsellor, was breathless with agitation.
67 He split (Apsû's) sinews, ripped off his crown,
68 Carried away his aura and put it on himself.
69 He bound Apsû and killed him;
70 Mummu he confined and handled roughly.
71 He set his dwelling upon Apsû,
72 And laid hold on Mummu, keeping the nose-rope in his hand.
73 After Ea had bound and slain his enemies,
74 Had achieved victory over his foes,
75 He rested quietly in his chamber,
76 He called it Apsû, whose shrines he appointed.
77 Then he founded his living-quarters within it,
78 And Ea and Damkina, his wife, sat in splendour.
79 In the chamber of the destinies, the room of the archetypes,
80 The wisest of the wise, the sage of the gods, Be-l was conceived.
81 In Apsû was Marduk born,
82 In pure Apsû was Marduk born.
83 Ea his father begat him,
84 Damkina his mother bore him.
85 He sucked the breasts of goddesses,
86 A nurse reared him and filled him with terror.
87 His figure was well developed, the glance of his eyes was dazzling,
88 His growth was manly, he was mighty from the beginning.
89 Anu, his father's begetter, saw him,
90 He exulted and smiled; his heart filled with joy.
91 Anu rendered him perfect: his divinity was remarkable,
92 And he became very lofty, excelling them in his attributes.
93 His members were incomprehensibly wonderful,
94 Incapable of being grasped with the mind, hard even to look on.
95 Four were his eyes, four his ears,
96 Flame shot forth as he moved his lips.
97 His four ears grew large,
93 And his eyes likewise took in everything.
99 His figure was lofty and superior in comparison with the gods,
100 His limbs were surpassing, his nature was superior.
101 'Mari-utu, Mari-utu,
102 The Son, the Sun-god, the Sun-god of the gods.'
103 He was clothed with the aura of the Ten Gods, so exalted was his strength,
104 The Fifty Dreads were loaded upon him.
105 Anu formed and gave birth to the four winds,
106 He delivered them to him, "My son, let them whirl!"
107 He formed dust and set a hurricane to drive it,
108 He made a wave to bring consternation on Tia-mat.
109 Tia-mat was confounded; day and night she was frantic.
110 The gods took no rest, they . . . . . . .
111 In their minds they plotted evil,
112 And addressed their mother Tia-mat,
113 "When Apsû, your spouse, was killed,
114 You did not go at his side, but sat quietly.
115 The four dreadful winds have been fashioned
116 To throw you into confusion, and we cannot sleep.
117 You gave no thought to Apsû, your spouse,
113 Nor to Mummu, who is a prisoner. Now you sit alone.
119 Henceforth you will be in frantic consternation!
120 And as for us, who cannot rest, you do not love us!
121 Consider our burden, our eyes are hollow.
122 Break the immovable yoke that we may sleep.
123 Make battle, avenge them!
124 [ . . ] . . . . reduce to nothingness!
125 Tia-mat heard, the speech pleased her,
126 (She said,) "Let us make demons, [as you] have advised."
127 The gods assembled within her.
128 They conceived [evil] against the gods their begetters.
129 They . . . . . and took the side of Tia-mat,
130 Fiercely plotting, unresting by night and day,
131 Lusting for battle, raging, storming,
132 They set up a host to bring about conflict.
133 Mother H(ubur, who forms everything,
134 Supplied irresistible weapons, and gave birth to giant serpents.
135 They had sharp teeth, they were merciless . . . .
136 With poison instead of blood she filled their bodies.
137 She clothed the fearful monsters with dread,
138 She loaded them with an aura and made them godlike.
139 (She said,) "Let their onlooker feebly perish,
140 May they constantly leap forward and never retire."
141 She created the Hydra, the Dragon, the Hairy Hero
142 The Great Demon, the Savage Dog, and the Scorpion-man,
143 Fierce demons, the Fish-man, and the Bull-man,
144 Carriers of merciless weapons, fearless in the face of battle.
145 Her commands were tremendous, not to be resisted.
146 Altogether she made eleven of that kind.
147 Among the gods, her sons, whom she constituted her host,
148 She exalted Qingu, and magnified him among them.
149 The leadership of the army, the direction of the host,
150 The bearing of weapons, campaigning, the mobilization of conflict,
151 The chief executive power of battle, supreme command,
152 She entrusted to him and set him on a throne,
153 "I have cast the spell for you and exalted you in the host of the gods,
154 I have delivered to you the rule of all the gods.
155 You are indeed exalted, my spouse, you are renowned,
156 Let your commands prevail over all the Anunnaki."
157 She gave him the Tablet of Destinies and fastened it to his breast,
158 (Saying) "Your order may not be changed; let the utterance of your mouth be firm."
159 After Qingu was elevated and had acquired the power of Anuship,
160 He decreed the destinies for the gods, her sons:
161 "May the utterance of your mouths subdue the fire-god,
162 May your poison by its accumulation put down aggression."
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Sep 11, 2016, 05:46 PM
Please take 5 minutes out of your day to listen to this.

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Sep 11, 2016, 08:59 PM
Rest in peppers, I feel like the only person who is celebrating today :(
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Sep 11, 2016, 10:15 PM
Man I was young when this happened but I sure remember, RIP.

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Sep 11, 2016, 10:22 PM
RIP. Gone, but never forgotten.
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Sep 12, 2016, 11:43 AM
I was in third grade. I was very excited, it was my "Half Birthday". That usually meant my Mom made a small cake for after dinner, which was an exciting treat! On the bus ride home, I was seeing these huge lines at every gas station we went past; cars were spilling out into the street lining up for gas. I thought that was weird. Bus pulls up at my house, I hop out, run up to the door. My Mom opens the door when I'm about 15 feet away. That was also weird. Then I saw the look on her face. I've never seen her that sad, even now. She couldn't find the words to explain, she just pointed at the TV.

My school had made the decision to not tell the students, they left that up to the families. My Sister, in High School at the time, was told, but us children in Elementary School were not.

That night we ate a quiet dinner out at our favorite BBQ place, right next to the Air National Guard base. The base was on full lockdown, State Police were there guarding the north end of the runway, which ran along a somewhat major road. My Dad was in charge of computer systems at one of the Federal Home Loan Banks, and wanted to make sure he could still get access to his backup site on the base. We were stopped and questioned, but we got through no problem.

I was old enough to understand what happened, and learned a new word that day: "Terrorist". I was also too young to fully grasp why it happened though. I knew what happened, and what their goal was, but I couldn't grasp "why". Looking back, I'm not sure a lot of people did at that time. I was also young enough to be very afraid. I was too scared to go to sleep because I was worried terrorists would crash a plane into my bedroom. It took my parents explaining that we're not a noticeable enough target, being a middle class family of 4 in the midwest, for the terrorists to care about us to assuage my fears.

Looking back, I'm not sure if this is just the events distorting my memory, or the memory of the events weighing on everyone, or a combination of the 2, but everything just seemed so much quieter for a while after that. I think a lot of people matured a bit more than normal that day, we learned how terrifying and cruel the world could be. And it is definitely not something I will ever forget.
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Sep 12, 2016, 12:26 PM
Remember this very well isnt my country or my nation I just feel sorry for those innocents who lost their life because of terrorista and a goverment that created it
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Sep 12, 2016, 06:15 PM
Saw this on Facebook, from a Sikh.
9/11 was horrific, but sometimes the world forgets just how big and widespread impact was. Security changed, architecture changed, people changed. An attitude of paranoia and prejudice sprouted from the terror.

Quote:my good friend Raj flew into Toronto from New York today on September 11, 2016. He's literally one of the most chilled out and laid back dudes I know and I've never seen him more distraught and disheveled after he landed in Toronto. 9/11 was not only an extremely sad and devastating day for Americans but it also led to the shittiest few years of my life and other brown folk. I vividly remember the racism switching from "light hearted" Apu jokes to instantly being tossed aside and being labelled a terrorist. the only thing I could remember being an 11-12 year old was the feeling of how unfair it was when I was equally as confused as everyone else. that shit impacted me and many others in so many ways with anger/fear/paranoia/depression that still have repercussions today. I grew up in a quiet little white town in Canada and STILL got hit with bullshit every day. I can only imagine how some lived in fear in USA. I remember being too scared to walk in public with my dad who had a full beard and turban because I didn't want to feel and hear the slurs. I remember standing outside barber shops, frozen, tears in my eyes, knowing if I went inside and got rid of my hair my life could be a little better. I remember looking in the mirror every morning, tying my turban and hating everything about the person looking back at me. there's a whole other side to this story. an entire narrative that is rarely heard. an entire narrative that were still, to this day, too scared to talk about in fear of being labelled as a "anti american" or "anti-freedom". this is his story.

"flying from NYC as a sardar on 9/11 today was one of the shittiest experiences I've ever had. I shouldn't have to feel self conscious or different from anyone else, but everyone's eyes were glued on me this entire flight and it freaked me out, badly. I wanted to curl up and disappear. And while people are clutching their seats looking me at me with these tense stares, they have no idea that inside my head I'm being tormented by having to feel so self conscious about my every move. I even started to cry in my own hands on my lap but was too scared to lift my head up out of fear of what people might interpret. That's how self conscious I felt. It was so painful and sad. Even more so because I have soo much love to give... not hate. 

At least Frank Ocean was there to help get me through that."
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I don't even get why it became an object associated with terror, not really. None of the hijackers wore them, only Bin Laden; even then there's a difference in style, like seeing a bowler hat or a fedora.
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Sep 12, 2016, 06:20 PM


"As far as I'm concerned, all of this airport security--the cameras, the questions, the screenings, the searches--is just one more way of reducing your liberty and reminding you that they can fuck with you anytime they want. Because that's the way Americans are now. They're willing to trade away a little of their freedom in exchange for the feeling---the illusion---of security."
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Preach.
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Sep 12, 2016, 10:43 PM
I was getting ready for work. Yes, I am the 'old man' here, hehe. But, I flipped on the TV to get the weather report when I see a fire on TV. ok, a building is on fire. Fine. Flipped the channel, same exact footage, flip, same, flip... What?

When it dawned on me what happened, and what was to come. I was in shock. Four planes were hijacked, two for the Towers and two for the Pentagon. One plane never made it, as the passenger overtook the hijackers and the plane went down in Pennsylvania.

That day, at work... I was drawing up structural planes of the building to figure out how well it was designed to have fallen straight down instead of over. How much of an impact it was, etc. I put my mind to work puzzle solving. Then, my boss handed me his car keys.

"Could you please go and put fuel in my car?" There was a concern that this was the start of a war. Where are the next targets? Gas prices more than tripled in a matter of hours as everyone was rushing to fuel up. I spent two hours getting to the nearest gas station to fill up his car.

Afterwards, I spoke to neighbors I didn't even know I had about the events. Had a deeper respect for the police, fire and medics that work hard for us. And... just saw things differently. This was our generations' JFK, Pearl Harbor, etc.




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