[Kung Fury]

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On December 1st an update to one of the Federal Rules for Criminal Procedure would allow the FBI to get a warrant to hack into computers that make an attempt to conceal their location or activity. That means this applies not just to users of Tor, but anyone who uses a VPN or any other location hiding technology. Bitcoin is also included in this because they make the argument that it is often used for crime related transactions. So if the government has something against you and you happen to be using a VPN, Tor, or Bitcoin then they can grab a warrant to hack into your computer. This is going to go into effect unless Congress blocks it. Unfortunately they probably won't because the FBI will tell them that its needed to stop drug dealers or something and they along with the public will eat it up.

I personally go on Tor sometimes. Not because I'm a drug dealer or buyer or anything, but just because I'm curious and like to take a look. I haven't committed any crimes but I do speak out against the government pretty often. If the government were ever motivated against me they could see me using Tor every once in a while, tell some random judge, and then be able to legally hack my computer.

Big Brother is watching

[thefaketaco]

Just as I was deciding to download TOR or not

[Kung Fury]

Just as I was deciding to download TOR or not

I think you should download it, because you shouldn't let them scare you into submission. The change doesn't take place until December 1st (although I have no doubt it's already being done illegally) unless congress blocks it. Also, if you do happen to be targeted, keeping yourself safe isn't as difficult as it seems. Don't download anything suspicious, don't click on suspicious links, use strong passwords, and keep your software updated.

[thefaketaco]

Just as I was deciding to download TOR or not

I think you should download it, because you shouldn't let them scare you into submission. The change doesn't take place until December 1st (although I have no doubt it's already being done illegally) unless congress blocks it. Also, if you do happen to be targeted, keeping yourself safe isn't as difficult as it seems. Don't download anything suspicious, don't click on suspicious links, use strong passwords, and keep your software updated.

Will do

[Venom]

Who cares. I'm not doing anything illegal. If you're not, you shouldn't have to worry about it.

[Kung Fury]

Who cares. I'm not doing anything illegal. If you're not, you shouldn't have to worry about it.

By this logic, should I allow the police or anyone else into my home at any time because I have nothing to hide? Should lawful gun owners be subject to arbitrary searches because criminals use guns? Simply using Tor or a VPN is not evidence of criminal activity, and should not warrant being hacked by the FBI.

You say that if you're doing nothing wrong you have nothing to fear because it's the FBI, but this is not true.

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The FBI has a history of targeting people that have not done anything wrong, but do pose a challenge to the status quo. One prominent example is Martin Luther King who, because of his leadership of the civil rights movement, was considered the biggest threat to national security. Martin Luther King did nothing wrong, but the FBI didn't care about that, they cared about the challenge he posed to power.

[Soviethooves]

I ain't got nothing to hide.

[thefaketaco]

I ain't got nothing to hide.

I do 

Go away fbi

[Murdoch Murdoch]

I ain't got nothing to hide.

I do 

Go away fbi

>Saying that on a public webforum

Sick one G

[thefaketaco]

I ain't got nothing to hide.

I do 

Go away fbi

>Saying that on a public webforum

Sick one G

If anyone asks it was the real Taco

[George]

It was developed by the US Army. If you don't think they already have some access, you're naive.

[Soviethooves]

Little story to prove George:

Cousin browsing porn
Accidentally sees child porn by clicking a link
Not even a full 5 seconds before he goes back and refreshes the google searches to leave the page
In 1 hour, he's given a house call by Mandeville SWAT

They do already have access, and sometimes they will use that info if not in the present, the future.

[give me the gamemode]

Little story to prove George:

Cousin browsing porn
Accidentally sees child porn by clicking a link
Not even a full 5 seconds before he goes back and refreshes the google searches to leave the page
In 1 hour, he's given a house call by Mandeville SWAT

They do already have access, and sometimes they will use that info if not in the present, the future.

ur cousin is a kiddy fiddler

[Jono]

Little story to prove George:

Cousin browsing porn
Accidentally sees child porn by clicking a link
Not even a full 5 seconds before he goes back and refreshes the google searches to leave the page
In 1 hour, he's given a house call by Mandeville SWAT

They do already have access, and sometimes they will use that info if not in the present, the future.

So the police sent a SWAT team to deal with your cousin whom opened a link for 5 seconds? Either your story is bullshit, or his is...What happened to him afterwards then?

[Kung Fury]

I ain't got nothing to hide.

"Over the last 16 months, as I've debated this issue around the world, every single time somebody has said to me, "I don't really worry about invasions of privacy because I don't have anything to hide." I always say the same thing to them. I get out a pen, I write down my email address. I say, 'Here's my email address. What I want you to do when you get home is email me the passwords to all of your email accounts, not just the nice, respectable work one in your name, but all of them, because I want to be able to just troll through what it is you're doing online, read what I want to read and publish whatever I find interesting. After all, if you're not a bad person, if you're doing nothing wrong, you should have nothing to hide.' Not a single person has taken me up on that offer." -Glenn Greenwald on Why Privacy Matters




"Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say" - Edward Snowden

It was developed by the US Army. If you don't think they already have some access, you're naive.

Tor is open source, and it is such a high-profile target that people go looking through the source code and find things like bugs all the time. If there was a back door in the Tor protocol, it would have been found long ago. Besides, if the US Navy did give people like the FBI access like you believe, then it wouldn't have taken them years to take down the Silk Road drug marketplace, and all the current marketplaces wouldn't be up.

Little story to prove George:

Cousin browsing porn
Accidentally sees child porn by clicking a link
Not even a full 5 seconds before he goes back and refreshes the google searches to leave the page
In 1 hour, he's given a house call by Mandeville SWAT

They do already have access, and sometimes they will use that info if not in the present, the future.

Respectfully, I don't believe this story at all. First, let's make the assumption that he was using Tor (which I doubt). If he did happen to visit a police-controlled child porn site and click a link that leaked his IP, it would be the IP address of a Tor exit node, which is basically a dead end. For the second scenario let's say he was using Tor in a way that would leak his real IP (like leaving javascript enabled) or not using Tor at all. If he visited a police-controlled child porn site in this scenario and leaked his true IP address, that still wouldn't lead to the police being able to find him in an hour. IP addresses don't lead directly to your house. You can see this yourself if you go on an IP lookup website and look up your own IP address. They can probably see which ISP you use and if they really wanted to find you, they'd probably need a subpoena for said ISP ( which probably requires more evidence than an IP address). All of this would take much, much, much longer than an hour.