[Faustie]

Please refer to this post for clarification.

As a comparison, you might note that many other gmod communities don't pay taxes on income, don't declare profit; don't pay for contracted work; don't follow GDPR; and won't remove copyrighted content when asked - whereas we do and take the legal aspects seriously. We've already seen major consequences happen for one competitor (not FL) due to this that we were privy to. The risks are fairly small as we're a small community, but they exist and it's very easy to complain about the rule when you don't have to also shoulder any of the risks and responsibilities.

[Judge Rage]

So to be in full compliance with UK law now, I suggest that we ban all guns from the server as well as ban all threatening speech, after all Section 127 of the Communications Act 2003 states;

(1)

A person is guilty of an offence if he—

(a)

sends by means of a public electronic communications network a message or other matter that is grossly offensive or of an indecent, obscene or menacing character; or

(b)

causes any such message or matter to be so sent.

(2)

A person is guilty of an offence if, for the purpose of causing annoyance, inconvenience or needless anxiety to another, he—

(a)

sends by means of a public electronic communications network, a message that he knows to be false,

(b)

causes such a message to be sent; or

©

persistently makes use of a public electronic communications network.

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Well shit, looks like we can't swear, we can't threaten each other, we can't say anything mildly offensive both IC or OOC.

I'm also quite interested in how people connected to LL could be construed as racists for something said clearly not by them on their platform? The CEO of Google isn't a racist because someone put racist content on YouTube?

[Lewwings]

Restricting roleplay is always good, the rule was fine as it was, as long as it was enforced, this looks like a bit of an over-reaction to me and I hope it doesn't last long.

I understand racism isn't permitted in OOC and I agree with that, but it mostly fine IC, no need to outright ban it, bit foolish.

[Nev]

HAHAHAHAHA.
Using the "Limelight Gaming LTD" business bullshit. Just because a few of you have LL on your Linked-in profile doesn't mean you are somehow associating yourself with racism because of something that some random kid on the internet says in a Garry's Mod server.

Last time I checked, we were a Garry's Mod RP server and we had this thing called In-Character Names and also the fact that, uh... our characters are a bunch of pixels and don't resemble what we look like IRL. Is a future employer going to somehow stumble on screenshots of GmodRP and be like, "Hey Jimmy, is this you? Ben Dover the Chef? Did you happen to call someone a f*ggot while they were in your restaurant?" Seriously. What a joke.

If the SJW train wants something, why don't you create a command to opt-out of anything discriminatory? Chat filters/censors, voice_enable 0 and whatever else y'all need.

[ICEKILLER_99]

uhhh hey guys i get triggered when people say the n word online

[bismo]

if we all be racist they cant ban us all buds whos with me 

[ICEKILLER_99]

IM WITH YOU BUD

[Lewwings]

Please refer to this post for clarification.

As a comparison, you might note that many other gmod communities don't pay taxes on income, don't declare profit; don't pay for contracted work; don't follow GDPR; and won't remove copyrighted content when asked - whereas we do and take the legal aspects seriously. We've already seen major consequences happen for one competitor (not FL) due to this that we were privy to. The risks are fairly small as we're a small community, but they exist and it's very easy to complain about the rule when you don't have to also shoulder any of the risks and responsibilities.

Limelight became a business nearly 3 years ago now, why has it suddenly become an issue after it being allowed to be ROLEPLAYED on a ROLEPLAY server?

Surely punishing those who committed OOC racism/discrimination and over-did IC racism/discrimination is enough to show LL does not endorse it overly, but allows a free range of mostly unrestricted rp?

[Nudel]

Please refer to this post for clarification.

As a comparison, you might note that many other gmod communities don't pay taxes on income, don't declare profit; don't pay for contracted work; don't follow GDPR; and won't remove copyrighted content when asked - whereas we do and take the legal aspects seriously. We've already seen major consequences happen for one competitor (not FL) due to this that we were privy to. The risks are fairly small as we're a small community, but they exist and it's very easy to complain about the rule when you don't have to also shoulder any of the risks and responsibilities.

So because 10 year old max1234 calls 12 year old xXx_ULTRASKILL960DEGREESNOSCOPE_xXx a "n*gger" on a garry's mod semi-serious roleplay server every member of staff is now a racist and will get serious problems in their real life and in their business? 

ok

[BlackDog]

Please refer to this post for clarification.

As a comparison, you might note that many other gmod communities don't pay taxes on income, don't declare profit; don't pay for contracted work; don't follow GDPR; and won't remove copyrighted content when asked - whereas we do and take the legal aspects seriously. We've already seen major consequences happen for one competitor (not FL) due to this that we were privy to. The risks are fairly small as we're a small community, but they exist and it's very easy to complain about the rule when you don't have to also shoulder any of the risks and responsibilities.

I still feel this is reaching quite a bit.

Just because a few guys play racist characters does not make you liable for their actions.

Its like when people bitched at pewdiepie because he played in a match where some guy had a racist name and avatar, why should he be held responsible for another persons actions? 


The way the policy is also written is to far, you have forbiddin an insanely high amount of RP types that its almost not worth playing when everything you do can be seen as: "racist, sexist or otherwise discriminatory"

The italian mob going and fighting a chinese triad can be seen as racist, the fact the player is acting as an italian mobster and doing the accent can be seen as racist and discriminatory, and the fact neither of these groups allow women into their ranks can be seen as sexist.

In one single policy you have forbidden more or less the heart of RP freedom, as now anything we players do, we have to look over our shoulders for anything we do, can be seen as an offence to those 3 catagories, ESPECIALY the last one as anything can be seen as discriminatory.

What if a player doesnt want cops in his bar? Discriminatory, and now a punishable offence.

This needs to be rolled back

[Lord Octagon]

So to be in full compliance with UK law now, I suggest that we ban all guns from the server as well as ban all threatening speech, after all Section 127 of the Communications Act 2003 states;

(1)

A person is guilty of an offence if he—

(a)

sends by means of a public electronic communications network a message or other matter that is grossly offensive or of an indecent, obscene or menacing character; or

(b)

causes any such message or matter to be so sent.

(2)

A person is guilty of an offence if, for the purpose of causing annoyance, inconvenience or needless anxiety to another, he—

(a)

sends by means of a public electronic communications network, a message that he knows to be false,

(b)

causes such a message to be sent; or

©

persistently makes use of a public electronic communications network.

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Well shit, looks like we can't swear, we can't threaten each other, we can't say anything mildly offensive both IC or OOC.

I'm also quite interested in how people connected to LL could be construed as racists for something said clearly not by them on their platform? The CEO of Google isn't a racist because someone put racist content on YouTube?

Lmao, preach it. This is just an excuse for the 'executives' of LL to push a pro-left agenda that serves nothing but to allow themselves to sleep better at night knowing that no 12yr olds are saying the n-word on their platform. 

Are you guys asking for this server to die faster???

[Faustie]

You're absolutely right in that legal risks are low for us, but they exist, and we've seen a competitor get into some serious trouble for not taking any legal risks seriously. None of us are laywers and we can't afford to burn a lot of money on legal advice, so we're erring on the side of caution. I highly doubt that many people here are lawyers either.

However, it's worth noting that that's just one part - arguably the less important part - of the explanation that was just made for clarity. The main reason why this rule change was made is that both players/staff have had difficulty managing the blurred lines between IC/OOC, and this targets that. In regards to current IC actions, admin discretion will absolutely apply and most things would be a matter of precedent.

BlackDog, I think you're reaching a bit. It's not discrimination to say someone is of a certain race, and we're not going to lose all RP over this rule. It existed for a long time back when I was regularly playing and there was no noticeable change in RP before and after the rule was removed in the old community. If anything, the quality of RP steadily degraded, partly as the bottom-of-the-barrel would run around with continual racist RP (license plates and descriptions made racist, continual RP, etc. Not fun days).

[greg]

make it so if you buy donator on limelight you get the n word pass

[BlackDog]

BlackDog, I think you're reaching a bit. It's not discrimination to say someone is of a certain race, and we're not going to lose all RP over this rule. It existed for a long time back when I was regularly playing and there was no noticeable change in RP before and after the rule was removed in the old community. If anything, the quality of RP steadily degraded, partly as the bottom-of-the-barrel would run around with continual racist RP (license plates and descriptions made racist, continual RP, etc. Not fun days).

By the wording of the policy, it indicates that it is a zero tolerance policy, No sexism of any kind, no racism of any kind, and no discrimination of any kind, am I correct on this?

Yes or no, and if no, please explain as its not what the wording states.

[Nev]

future employer:
whats ur steamid so i can check if u racist on gmod n check ur bans n shit