[Kung Fury]

+support, take down more criminals. Nothing to hide, nothing to fear - I would gladly let police search my home without a warrant because there is nothing illegal.

Well I would like to invite you and everyone else who says "I have nothing to hide" to take the time to watch this presentation by a criminal defense attorney and a police officer on why you should never speak to the police under any circumstances.

[Brax]

It was developed by the US Army. If you don't think they already have some access, you're naive.

Actually it wasn't developed by the Army. It was developed by a branch of the US Marines, the Naval Research Laboratory.

Sorry, just had to correct you on that.

[Venom]

+support, take down more criminals. Nothing to hide, nothing to fear - I would gladly let police search my home without a warrant because there is nothing illegal.

Well I would like to invite you and everyone else who says "I have nothing to hide" to take the time to watch this presentation by a criminal defense attorney and a police officer on why you should never speak to the police under any circumstances.

I speak to the police weekly. Wanna know why? I'm not a criminal and I'm not going around breaking the laws. As I stated before, I have nothing to hide so I don't have anything to worry about.

[Kung Fury]

I speak to the police weekly. Wanna know why? I'm not a criminal and I'm not going around breaking the laws. As I stated before, I have nothing to hide so I don't have anything to worry about.

You may think you have nothing to hide now, but that might not always be true. If you forfeit privacy now you forfeit it forever. But let's assume that for the rest of your life you will have nothing to hide. That there will be no government action you oppose, no law you are against, and no social or political movement you support, and that you are sure you will be an obedient and submissive citizen for the rest of your days. I think you should still care about privacy, because not caring about privacy is like not caring about free speech. They are both essential for a free society. You may not always have something to say, but hopefully you understand that people being able to say whatever they want is good for a free society. Likewise, you may be fine with the government intruding on your private life, but not everyone is. And privacy is good for a free society because we know historically from places like East Germany where the Stasi spied on everyone that government violating people's privacy is not good for freedom at all.

Many years ago the colonists of New England decided to fight back against British tyranny, one part of which was the ability for authorities to search any home and seize any property through the use of general warrants. Most colonists probably had nothing to hide, but whether they did or not many of them were against it because it simply was not right. If revolutionaries back then decided not to fight back and instead accepted searches because they're ok if they have nothing to hide, we wouldn't have the rights and freedoms that we have today.

Respectfully, I am glad that the founders of this nation did not have the same mindset that you do.

[Venom]

I speak to the police weekly. Wanna know why? I'm not a criminal and I'm not going around breaking the laws. As I stated before, I have nothing to hide so I don't have anything to worry about.

You may think you have nothing to hide now, but that might not always be true. If you forfeit privacy now you forfeit it forever. But let's assume that for the rest of your life you will have nothing to hide. That there will be no government action you oppose, no law you are against, and no social or political movement you support, and that you are sure you will be an obedient and submissive citizen for the rest of your days. I think you should still care about privacy, because not caring about privacy is like not caring about free speech. They are both essential for a free society. You may not always have something to say, but hopefully you understand that people being able to say whatever they want is good for a free society. Likewise, you may be fine with the government intruding on your private life, but not everyone is. And privacy is good for a free society because we know historically from places like East Germany where the Stasi spied on everyone that government violating people's privacy is not good for freedom at all.

Many years ago the colonists of New England decided to fight back against British tyranny, one part of which was the ability for authorities to search any home and seize any property through the use of general warrants. Most colonists probably had nothing to hide, but whether they did or not many of them were against it because it simply was not right. If revolutionaries back then decided not to fight back and instead accepted searches because they're ok if they have nothing to hide, we wouldn't have the rights and freedoms that we have today.

Respectfully, I am glad that the founders of this nation did not have the same mindset that you do.

Sure I care about privacy, but if they have a warrant, not much you can do. I'm not the "obedient and submissive citizen" that you say I am. We all have rights that shouldn't be infringed on, including privacy. My privacy however I don't care about obviously as much as you because there's nothing the government is going to get off of me. I don't really think you can compare free speech to privacy either, they are two different ballparks.

[jarz]

I'm pro police. Everyone who knows me knows I am. I've helped local departments and statewide agencies, attended funerals, and even more.

The government has no business looking into our affairs.

I'm pretty Conservative, I believe the government needs to back out of certain programs and such, such as healthcare. I also think they should back out of spying on their citizens.

America was founded by our fathers in a bloody revolution, where thousands died because the government was too tyrannical, and overall too oppressive. I don't want to get into that, but we won that, and the Articles of Confederation effectively gave the Federal Gov't no control of the united States. It wasn't until Shae's rebellion where we ditched it for the Constitution, which gives more Federal control. Isn't that enough then?

tl'dr for the last paragraph:
Why more? We were founded to have less.

[give me the gamemode]

tbh i just use incognito

[Preditor]

Dude if you're getting a warrant on you in the first place I'd reconsider whatever you're doing.

Warrants are warrants and honestly they should have been allowed to do it a while ago IMO. And it's not like you get random warrants out of the blue, and even if you do if you're not doing anything that could get you in trouble then don't panic.

Besides "I got nothing to hide."

[Humla]

tbh i just use incognito

Be careful. Incognito mode only prevents Chrome from saving your site visit activity. It won't stop other sources from seeing your browsing activity, including:

• Your internet service provider
  
  
• Your employer (if you're using a work computer)
  
  
• The websites you visit themselves
  

[give me the gamemode]

tbh i just use incognito

Be careful. Incognito mode only prevents Chrome from saving your site visit activity. It won't stop other sources from seeing your browsing activity, including:

• Your internet service provider
  
  
• Your employer (if you're using a work computer)
  
  
• The websites you visit themselves
  

well someone isn't good at sarcasm now are they

[James]

Who cares. I'm not doing anything illegal. If you're not, you shouldn't have to worry about it.

This entirely.

[bismo]

+support, take down more criminals. Nothing to hide, nothing to fear - I would gladly let police search my home without a warrant because there is nothing illegal.

its funny cuz ur name is tails.

xdd

[give me the gamemode]

+support, take down more criminals. Nothing to hide, nothing to fear - I would gladly let police search my home without a warrant because there is nothing illegal.

its funny cuz ur name is tails.

xdd

xddd ikr lol its funny cause your da sells avon rekt

[bismo]

+support, take down more criminals. Nothing to hide, nothing to fear - I would gladly let police search my home without a warrant because there is nothing illegal.

its funny cuz ur name is tails.

xdd

xddd ikr lol its funny cause your da sells avon rekt

i hope you have 2 kids


and once they start to grow up and learn on their own and you watch them become young adults

and then

they all get leukemia

[Faustie]

Problem is, this isn't such a black and white issue. It's never just 'oppressive government' vs 'criminals and terrorists'. Even if we were to narrow it down to two factions, government and criminals (which is far from reality), you still have to look at the polar extremes of each party. There are a huge variety of governments and a huge variety of criminals. Let's look at governments: while it's convenient to consider them as one entity, that's not really the case. Any one government comprises a huge amount of different factions, departments, and individuals. Governments are so varied that they sometimes clash with themselves more than they clash with civilians. One of the big current topics in America today is the over-militarisation of police and police brutality. But what is the police? It isn't one single entity. It's composed of hundreds of different departments and many, many different individuals, all with different view-points of life experiences. There are fantastic policemen and there are awful policemen. You cannot group one faction together and consider them as an individual.

This is part of what makes it such a complex issue. It isn't 'government' vs 'criminals' when it comes to cyber-crime. There are a huge amount of civilians who wish to use VPNs, or Tor, or other tools not because they are afraid of the government, or because they want to hide illegal doings, but just because the internet is no longer safe. And while some governments have incredible funding and expertise, the internet is vast and complex. Even with all their funding, governments are unable to stop the vast majority of cyber-crime such as fraud, malware, hacking etc. There are tools available to protect yourself from this, but those tools are often the same tools that some governments would rather you not use, such as VPNs which encrypt traffic and hide your location.

Why shouldn't your regular citizen be able to use a VPN, just because terrorists may also use it? I don't have anything illegal to hide, but that doesn't mean I'm willing to leave my systems wide open when it's so easy for someone to exploit that to access my personal data and banking information. If you've been using the internet for a few years like the vast majority of us have, chances are your login data and metadata is already sitting in various criminal databases as well as government ones. That's why I'm fully supportive of strong encryption and protective measures available to the average end user.

That said, it's a complex issue. Those same tools that can protect many can also be misused by just a few with drastic consequences. Buckle up, ladies and gents, because we've got a fun ride ahead of us as technology becomes more and more prevalent in our lives.