Unless there's foul play, no-one should be earning less than minimum wage unless you're under 18; where you earn the minimum wage for 16-18 year old, or whatever it is. Especially if you're working for a company, like Tesco.
Many reputable apprenticeships pay a lot more than minimum wage.
I certainly feel sorry for these refugees and I think the UK should accept some. Some. They shouldn't pick and choose and in my opinion they should be dispersed around the EU as we see fit. We're not talking about allowing all refugees here. I know we're in a sticky situation as it is in this country, but I do feel we have at least some duty to help those who need it most, the refugees. Not necessarily the economic migrants.
It would be nice for me to personally help them, but I'm a 16 year old in compulsory education.
Definitely would be good to see Saudi Arabia doing something, but they're not exactly good when it comes to human rights. I think it would be easier for many of them to integrate into those societies. Likewise for Kuwait, Qatar and the UAE.
Jordan, Turkey and Lebanon are all stretched as it is.
(Sep 7, 2015, 08:58 AM)Joey Skylynx link Wrote: [ -> ]I'm a dual citizen with the United States and United Kingdom. I also vote in each countries elections whenever I get the chance. Also I'm talking of the job programs offered which practically make you work at Tesco for less then minimum wage to "gain experince" which are pretty ridicilous as you require experince for most jobs so the whole idea seems rather pointless outside of cheaper labor.
I think you misunderstand the point of an apprenticeship. Here are 5 advantages:
Quote:1. Apprenticeships are structured training programmes which give you a chance to work (literally) towards a qualification. They help you gain the skills and knowledge you need to succeed in your chosen industry. Getting into employment earlier means there’s lots of potential for you to progress in your career quickly. You can also begin to earn a good salary much earlier on in your life.
2. Apprenticeships give you fantastic experience in the working world and show employers that you can ‘hit the ground running’. Hands-on training gives you a real chance to put your skills into practice and helps you to gain more confidence in a working environment.
3. You earn while you learn. That’s right! No student loans, no tuition fees, and, hopefully, no debt. You’ll be paid a salary by your employer, and the government tends to cover the cost of the training for most young people.
4. Choice. There are over 400 different types of apprenticeships. So whether you’re hankering after a career in business, sport, marketing or construction, there’s something for everyone.
5. Apprenticeships offer a varied learning experience. You won’t have to spend all of your days studying; most of the time you’ll be working at a company. It’s all about learning while doing, and learning from others in your industry. You can even gain higher qualifications through apprenticeships, such as HNCs, HNDs, foundation degrees or honours degrees.
This is a good route for those who haven't stayed in education. At least these people don't sit on their backsides all day claiming benefits when they don't even need it.
I also just noticed that Israel isn't taking in any refugees at all (suprise suprise).
(Sep 7, 2015, 09:13 PM)Dauntless link Wrote: [ -> ]I also just noticed that Israel isn't taking in any refugees at all (suprise suprise).
The jews in Israel wants to keep it ethnically homogeneous. The jews are the "chosen people" according to them and anyone that is not a jew are not really welcome to Israel. Now that's racism for ya'.
(Sep 7, 2015, 09:37 PM)Humla link Wrote: [ -> ][quote author=Dauntless link=topic=1629.msg16223#msg16223 date=1441653238]
I also just noticed that Israel isn't taking in any refugees at all (suprise suprise).
The jews in Israel wants to keep it ethnically homogeneous. The jews are the "chosen people" according to them and anyone that is not a jew are not really welcome to Israel. Now that's racism for ya'.
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That's not true. They are not letting them in because there is no Syrian Embassy in Israel so seeking asylum there isn't a thing.
Quote:The ultimate goal of God’s choice of the Jews as His chosen people was to produce the Messiah, Jesus Christ, who would be the Savior of the world. Jesus had to come from some nation or people, and God chose Israel. God first promised the Savior/Messiah after Adam and Eve sinned (Genesis 3). Later, God specified that the Messiah would come from the line of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Genesis 12). Later still, He narrowed the Messiah’s ancestry to the line of David (2 Samuel 7). Throughout their history, the people of Israel were aware of their “chosen” status before God (see 1 Kings 3:8; 8:53; Psalm 105:43; Isaiah 43:4; 65:9; and Amos 3:2). The fact that God has an eternal future for Israel is evident in that five sixths of the Bible bears directly or indirectly upon them—Jesus being the central figure who brought the Jews and Gentiles together (Ephesians 2:14).
The fact that the Jews are God’s chosen people means that they have been held to a high standard. From those who are given much, much is required (Luke 12:48), or as God said through one prophet, “You only have I chosen of all the families of the earth; therefore I will punish you for all your sins” (Amos 3:2).
Israel’s responsibilities have included keeping and preserving the Law (Joshua 22:5); being “a kingdom of priests and a holy nation” (Exodus 19:6); and bringing “renown and praise and honor” to the Lord (Jeremiah 13:11). Their high calling is straight from the God who chose them out of all the nations of the earth.
(Sep 6, 2015, 09:46 PM)Lord Octagon link Wrote: [ -> ][quote author=Joey Skylynx link=topic=1629.msg15961#msg15961 date=1441568647]When you pay taxes, when you lose a job to an economic migrant, you will understand.
I'm sorry but you said lose a job. The point that employers give jobs to immigrants is because they are hard workers, they'd do anything to earn an honest wage, however, some people just hold their heads high and take it all easy
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Sorry bud, most of the time they are less than average workers but employers take them in 'cause they will never demand any higher amounts of money than minimal wage. Just think about why most of the things are made in China.
(Sep 7, 2015, 09:42 PM)Lord Octagon link Wrote: [ -> ][quote author=Humla link=topic=1629.msg16229#msg16229 date=1441654676]
[quote author=Dauntless link=topic=1629.msg16223#msg16223 date=1441653238]
I also just noticed that Israel isn't taking in any refugees at all (suprise suprise).
The jews in Israel wants to keep it ethnically homogeneous. The jews are the "chosen people" according to them and anyone that is not a jew are not really welcome to Israel. Now that's racism for ya'.
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That's not true. They are not letting them in because there is no Syrian Embassy in Israel so seeking asylum there isn't a thing.
Quote:The ultimate goal of Gods choice of the Jews as His chosen people was to produce the Messiah, Jesus Christ, who would be the Savior of the world. Jesus had to come from some nation or people, and God chose Israel. God first promised the Savior/Messiah after Adam and Eve sinned (Genesis 3). Later, God specified that the Messiah would come from the line of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Genesis 12). Later still, He narrowed the Messiahs ancestry to the line of David (2 Samuel 7). Throughout their history, the people of Israel were aware of their chosen status before God (see 1 Kings 3:8; 8:53; Psalm 105:43; Isaiah 43:4; 65:9; and Amos 3:2). The fact that God has an eternal future for Israel is evident in that five sixths of the Bible bears directly or indirectly upon themJesus being the central figure who brought the Jews and Gentiles together (Ephesians 2:14).
The fact that the Jews are Gods chosen people means that they have been held to a high standard. From those who are given much, much is required (Luke 12:48), or as God said through one prophet, You only have I chosen of all the families of the earth; therefore I will punish you for all your sins (Amos 3:2).
Israels responsibilities have included keeping and preserving the Law (Joshua 22:5); being a kingdom of priests and a holy nation (Exodus 19:6); and bringing renown and praise and honor to the Lord (Jeremiah 13:11). Their high calling is straight from the God who chose them out of all the nations of the earth.
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Sorry again but it takes less than a minute to google the political views of the person who said he doesn't want refugees in his country. Then you will get a proper answer.
I'd really like to see some Arabic countries taking refugees in, 'cause that's how it's supposed to look like yet it doesn't at all.
As for my country: We used to fight for others and kept on forgetting about our own country - always fucked from both sides. I don't want to see any refugess until we fix our own problems and until homeless Poles get a proper care. As for Germany idgaf, if they want to change into another Arabia, their government's choice.
(Sep 7, 2015, 09:37 PM)Humla link Wrote: [ -> ][quote author=Dauntless link=topic=1629.msg16223#msg16223 date=1441653238]
I also just noticed that Israel isn't taking in any refugees at all (suprise suprise).
The jews in Israel wants to keep it ethnically homogeneous. The jews are the "chosen people" according to them and anyone that is not a jew are not really welcome to Israel. Now that's racism for ya'.
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Israel we have a special population, they are crazy about religion. The rest of the population not much like them, and they lock themselves in their own especially in Jerusalem. These people can even be dangerous but they are still citizens. Do not compare Israel to these people. IDF is acting to protect its country and the best we can try is to prevent wars. Do not talk nonsense
(Sep 8, 2015, 06:33 AM)The Wolf Moon link Wrote: [ -> ][quote author=Humla link=topic=1629.msg16229#msg16229 date=1441654676]
[quote author=Dauntless link=topic=1629.msg16223#msg16223 date=1441653238]
I also just noticed that Israel isn't taking in any refugees at all (suprise suprise).
The jews in Israel wants to keep it ethnically homogeneous. The jews are the "chosen people" according to them and anyone that is not a jew are not really welcome to Israel. Now that's racism for ya'.
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Israel we have a special population, they are crazy about religion. The rest of the population not much like them, and they lock themselves in their own especially in Jerusalem. These people can even be dangerous but they are still citizens. Do not compare Israel to these people. IDF is acting to protect its country and the best we can try is to prevent wars. Do not talk nonsense
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And you're doing a right thing, every european country should act like that, it's just that with Israel... it's too ironic.
(Sep 7, 2015, 09:13 PM)Dauntless link Wrote: [ -> ]I also just noticed that Israel isn't taking in any refugees at all (suprise suprise).
talk more shit my friend, why we should let them in to our country?
Yes we help injured people from there. but we will not let them in. how can we know that terrorist from there will not enter? after we had alot of trouble in the border with syria ( IEDs, rockets , and even a sniper that killed alittle child)
We have our own problems as you know Lebanon iran isis gaza and the world that hates us so yea...
and that not recism because we are not stupid, were not stupid to give them to enter our only country when they have 20 ok? but if you dont know what going on here and you just watch the tv or internet and you think you good guy that help but you jyst talk and talk come here go to any camp and help there and you talk nosence and you think you know whats going here.
Have a good day.
(Sep 8, 2015, 09:34 AM)Amity link Wrote: [ -> ][quote author=Dauntless link=topic=1629.msg16223#msg16223 date=1441653238]
I also just noticed that Israel isn't taking in any refugees at all (suprise suprise).
talk more shit my friend, why we should let them in to our country?
Yes we help injured people from there. but we will not let them in. how can we know that terrorist from there will not enter? after we had alot of trouble in the border with syria ( IEDs, rockets , and even a sniper that killed alittle child)
We have our own problems as you know Lebanon iran isis gaza and the world that hates us so yea...
and that not recism because we are not stupid, were not stupid to give them to enter our only country when they have 20 ok? but if you dont know what going on here and you just watch the tv or internet and you think you good guy that help but you jyst talk and talk come here go to any camp and help there and you talk nosence and you think you know whats going here.
Have a good day.
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You should let them in because maybe they are refugees? or atleast take in the ones that are being hunted by isis etc? I honestly don't care about your border problems your army has killed enough kids in Gaza compared to the one killed by a sniper. Also why are you telling me that I am talking shit? I am telling the truth Israel has taken in hardly any refugees compared to the other countries around Syria such as Turkey etc. I also didn't understand half of what you said, I don't mean to be a grammar preacher but I have no idea what you just said on your last few sentences.
(Sep 8, 2015, 03:34 PM)Dauntless link Wrote: [ -> ][quote author=Amity link=topic=1629.msg16346#msg16346 date=1441697668]
[quote author=Dauntless link=topic=1629.msg16223#msg16223 date=1441653238]
I also just noticed that Israel isn't taking in any refugees at all (suprise suprise).
talk more shit my friend, why we should let them in to our country?
Yes we help injured people from there. but we will not let them in. how can we know that terrorist from there will not enter? after we had alot of trouble in the border with syria ( IEDs, rockets , and even a sniper that killed alittle child)
We have our own problems as you know Lebanon iran isis gaza and the world that hates us so yea...
and that not recism because we are not stupid, were not stupid to give them to enter our only country when they have 20 ok? but if you dont know what going on here and you just watch the tv or internet and you think you good guy that help but you jyst talk and talk come here go to any camp and help there and you talk nosence and you think you know whats going here.
Have a good day.
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You should let them in because maybe they are refugees? or atleast take in the ones that are being hunted by isis etc? I honestly don't care about your border problems your army has killed enough kids in Gaza comapred to the one killed by a sniper. Also why are you telling me that I am talking shit? I am telling the truth Israel has taken in 0 refugees compared to the other countries around Syria such as Turkey etc. I also didn't understand half of what you said, I don't mean to be a grammar preacher but I have no idea what you just said on your last few sentences.
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So I will not gonna waste my time here, there are many reasons why we can not take refugees and you are clearly do not care about them. If you say Turkey is better than Israel I can just say to you good luck with your life and try to have fun and do not waste time being tough. By laughing at some one grammar I can tell that you are not a very nice person and I will say it and try not to offence you by saying I hope I will not see you or play with you on this server.
Have a good day and just try to think that we are good people.
(Sep 8, 2015, 03:55 PM)The Wolf Moon link Wrote: [ -> ][quote author=Dauntless link=topic=1629.msg16393#msg16393 date=1441719244]
[quote author=Amity link=topic=1629.msg16346#msg16346 date=1441697668]
[quote author=Dauntless link=topic=1629.msg16223#msg16223 date=1441653238]
I also just noticed that Israel isn't taking in any refugees at all (suprise suprise).
talk more shit my friend, why we should let them in to our country?
Yes we help injured people from there. but we will not let them in. how can we know that terrorist from there will not enter? after we had alot of trouble in the border with syria ( IEDs, rockets , and even a sniper that killed alittle child)
We have our own problems as you know Lebanon iran isis gaza and the world that hates us so yea...
and that not recism because we are not stupid, were not stupid to give them to enter our only country when they have 20 ok? but if you dont know what going on here and you just watch the tv or internet and you think you good guy that help but you jyst talk and talk come here go to any camp and help there and you talk nosence and you think you know whats going here.
Have a good day.
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You should let them in because maybe they are refugees? or atleast take in the ones that are being hunted by isis etc? I honestly don't care about your border problems your army has killed enough kids in Gaza comapred to the one killed by a sniper. Also why are you telling me that I am talking shit? I am telling the truth Israel has taken in 0 refugees compared to the other countries around Syria such as Turkey etc. I also didn't understand half of what you said, I don't mean to be a grammar preacher but I have no idea what you just said on your last few sentences.
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So I will not gonna waste my time here, there are many reasons why we can not take refugees and you are clearly do not care about them. If you say Turkey is better than Israel I can just say to you good luck with your life and try to have fun and do not waste time being tough. By laughing at some one grammar I can tell that you are not a very nice person and I will say it and try not to offence you by saying I hope I will not see you or play with you on this server.
Have a good day and just try to think that we are good people.
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Firstly I do not think Turkey is better than Israel I was pointing out that Turkey is taking in refugees when Israel is not. I am not laughing at his grammar I just don't understand it and I do care allot about the refugees (hence the reason I made this thread) In my Youth Action Project and Developmental Education classes in school we are gathering money for the Syrian refugees and it's part of my job in the classes to help organise that and half of the profits from my schools musical (which I again am helping to sell the tickets) is going to the Syrian refugees, last year we made over 12 thousand Euro, that means this year if we achieve the same 6 thousand Euro will go to the refugees. Also I do think some Israelis are good people, there is a guy in my Hebrew Studies class who is from Tel Aviv and he's really nice, I only disagree with the IDF's actions towards civilians.
(Sep 8, 2015, 02:35 AM)Freezak link Wrote: [ -> ][quote author=Lord Octagon link=topic=1629.msg15963#msg15963 date=1441568772]
[quote author=Joey Skylynx link=topic=1629.msg15961#msg15961 date=1441568647]When you pay taxes, when you lose a job to an economic migrant, you will understand.
I'm sorry but you said lose a job. The point that employers give jobs to immigrants is because they are hard workers, they'd do anything to earn an honest wage, however, some people just hold their heads high and take it all easy
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Sorry bud, most of the time they are less than average workers but employers take them in 'cause they will never demand any higher amounts of money than minimal wage. Just think about why most of the things are made in China.
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Basically what I meant except mine was more politically correct.
(Sep 8, 2015, 05:44 PM)Lord Octagon link Wrote: [ -> ][quote author=Freezak link=topic=1629.msg16314#msg16314 date=1441672522]
[quote author=Lord Octagon link=topic=1629.msg15963#msg15963 date=1441568772]
[quote author=Joey Skylynx link=topic=1629.msg15961#msg15961 date=1441568647]When you pay taxes, when you lose a job to an economic migrant, you will understand.
I'm sorry but you said lose a job. The point that employers give jobs to immigrants is because they are hard workers, they'd do anything to earn an honest wage, however, some people just hold their heads high and take it all easy
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Sorry bud, most of the time they are less than average workers but employers take them in 'cause they will never demand any higher amounts of money than minimal wage. Just think about why most of the things are made in China.
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Basically what I meant except mine was more politically correct.
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Never be politically correct. Just say what you intend on saying.