(Sep 6, 2015, 09:32 PM)Joey Skylynx link Wrote: [ -> ][quote author=Lord Octagon link=topic=1629.msg15906#msg15906 date=1441562790]
No human life is more sacred than another.
My family and friends are far more sacred to me then that of an unknown being. It's simply human nature to care more for my own kin.
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My original point was that we have luxuries but these refugees don't even have a bed to sleep in. You're saying we need to straighten our own country, when actually we need to prioritise.
(Sep 6, 2015, 09:22 PM)Lord Octagon link Wrote: [ -> ]Right because saving two people is the same as killing two people. Nice analysis of my answer. My original point was that we have luxuries, these refugees don't even have a bed to sleep in.
You are twisting my words, watching someone drown is not the same as killing them. You can't even answer a hypothetical question because you are ashamed of the answer. There is nothing wrong by helping your own first.
If I fled a war I would be grateful if I had a place to sleep, even if I would have to sleep on the ground. I would certainly not throw food and water around and behaving like I wasn't offered any help at all.
(Sep 6, 2015, 09:35 PM)Lord Octagon link Wrote: [ -> ][quote author=Joey Skylynx link=topic=1629.msg15944#msg15944 date=1441567971]
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No human life is more sacred than another.
My family and friends are far more sacred to me then that of an unknown being. It's simply human nature to care more for my own kin.
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My original point was that we have luxuries but these refugees don't even have a bed to sleep in. You're saying we need to straighten our own country, when actually we need to prioritise.
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Our priority is protecting our country. Blood runs thicker than water.
As for them not having beds to sleep in, bullshit. Almost every country is offering them a refugee camp to stay in which gives them the necessities to survive, including but not limited too... Sanitation, electricity, food, water, and areas to sleep with a good shelter over head. These people are the ones refusing to stay put, and not continue on.
They are not refugees, they are economic migrants.
(Sep 6, 2015, 09:39 PM)Joey Skylynx link Wrote: [ -> ]Our priority is protecting our country. Blood runs thicker than water.
As for them not having beds to sleep in, bullshit. Almost every country is offering them a refugee camp to stay in which gives them the necessities to survive, including but not limited too... Sanitation, electricity, food, water, and areas to sleep with a good shelter over head. These people are the ones refusing to stay put, and not continue on.
They are not refugees, they are economic migrants.
If that's how you want to view it, fine by me. I'm just pro-life.
(Sep 6, 2015, 09:40 PM)Lord Octagon link Wrote: [ -> ][quote author=Joey Skylynx link=topic=1629.msg15953#msg15953 date=1441568366]Our priority is protecting our country. Blood runs thicker than water.
As for them not having beds to sleep in, bullshit. Almost every country is offering them a refugee camp to stay in which gives them the necessities to survive, including but not limited too... Sanitation, electricity, food, water, and areas to sleep with a good shelter over head. These people are the ones refusing to stay put, and not continue on.
They are not refugees, they are economic migrants.
If that's how you want to view it, fine by me. I'm just pro-life.
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When you pay taxes, when you lose a job to an economic migrant, you will understand.
(Sep 6, 2015, 09:44 PM)Joey Skylynx link Wrote: [ -> ]When you pay taxes, when you lose a job to an economic migrant, you will understand.
I'm sorry but you said lose a job. The point that employers give jobs to immigrants is because they are hard workers, they'd do anything to earn an honest wage, however, some people just hold their heads high and take it all easy
(Sep 6, 2015, 09:22 PM)Lord Octagon link Wrote: [ -> ][quote author=Humla link=topic=1629.msg15923#msg15923 date=1441565579]
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I'd find a way to save both. There is always a way.
It is a hypothetical question. Either you save your mom or the random woman or they both drown. You are saying that you rather see them both die? Good for you. I would have saved my mother without any doubt. I know that you understand what my point is.
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Right because saving two people is the same as killing two people. Nice analysis of my answer. My original point was that we have luxuries, these refugees don't even have a bed to sleep in.
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There's always a more sacred life for each individual.
(Sep 6, 2015, 09:22 PM)Lord Octagon link Wrote: [ -> ][quote author=Humla link=topic=1629.msg15923#msg15923 date=1441565579]
[quote author=Lord Octagon link=topic=1629.msg15914#msg15914 date=1441564900]
I'd find a way to save both. There is always a way.
It is a hypothetical question. Either you save your mom or the random woman or they both drown. You are saying that you rather see them both die? Good for you. I would have saved my mother without any doubt. I know that you understand what my point is.
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Right because saving two people is the same as killing two people. Nice analysis of my answer. My original point was that we have luxuries, these refugees don't even have a bed to sleep in.
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Have you actually helped them in any way? Have you gone out and helped them? Have you let out your luxuries, such as a bedroom, or a living room?
What's the point in preaching something and not practicing it. The funny thing is, everyone talking about it already have formed their own opinions from their own knowledge and experience. So if the SJWs whom are preaching how we should help more would help a single refugee each, the crisis would be non existent.
People love to talk shit, but hate to do it. Do something, or shut up about it. (And talking about it online isn't doing something.)
(Sep 6, 2015, 09:46 PM)Lord Octagon link Wrote: [ -> ][quote author=Joey Skylynx link=topic=1629.msg15961#msg15961 date=1441568647]When you pay taxes, when you lose a job to an economic migrant, you will understand.
I'm sorry but you said lose a job. The point that employers give jobs to immigrants is because they are hard workers, they'd do anything to earn an honest wage, however, some people just hold their heads high and take it all easy
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I honestly have to disagree with you 100%. I use to live in Arizona in the US. It was bordered with Mexico, and I can tell you I've seen first hand this kind of stuff. They don't work hard, they work cheap. Cheaper than most countries would deem minimum wage and because of that people who actually are citizens would have a terrible time finding a job because an employer would rather hire an immigrant that works for even less than them.
Also, this whole "Every human life is important" is nothing more than a dream. I hate to bring up reality but you can't help everyone, and you will not treat everyone equal, this is basic human DNA. We will always choose those we care about more than some random individual. Movies and books always depicts this "hero" figure that everyone wants to be, and they think that they'd do something heroic and save everyone.
That's also like some soldier who got out of basic training stating "MAN I CAN'T WAIT TO FIRE THIS GUN AT SOMEONE!" and when the bullets actually start flying they'll freeze and just sit there. You can't say that you know what you'd do unless you're actually put into that situation.
OT: War is terrible, they have many places they can go, and many people are offering care. It's not my problem if they refuse, they want to be picky and that's on them.
(Sep 7, 2015, 12:02 AM)Preditor link Wrote: [ -> ][quote author=Lord Octagon link=topic=1629.msg15963#msg15963 date=1441568772]
[quote author=Joey Skylynx link=topic=1629.msg15961#msg15961 date=1441568647]When you pay taxes, when you lose a job to an economic migrant, you will understand.
I'm sorry but you said lose a job. The point that employers give jobs to immigrants is because they are hard workers, they'd do anything to earn an honest wage, however, some people just hold their heads high and take it all easy
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I honestly have to disagree with you 100%. I use to live in Arizona in the US. It was bordered with Mexico, and I can tell you I've seen first hand this kind of stuff. They don't work hard, they work cheap. Cheaper than most countries would deem minimum wage and because of that people who actually are citizens would have a terrible time finding a job because an employer would rather hire an immigrant that works for even less than them.
Also, this whole "Every human life is important" is nothing more than a dream. I hate to bring up reality but you can't help everyone, and you will not treat everyone equal, this is basic human DNA. We will always choose those we care about more than some random individual. Movies and books always depicts this "hero" figure that everyone wants to be, and they think that they'd do something heroic and save everyone.
That's also like some soldier who got out of basic training stating "MAN I CAN'T WAIT TO FIRE THIS GUN AT SOMEONE!" and when the bullets actually start flying they'll freeze and just sit there. You can't say that you know what you'd do unless you're actually put into that situation.
OT: War is terrible, they have many places they can go, and many people are offering care. It's not my problem if they refuse, they want to be picky and that's on them.
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Not sure about the US but I was refering her majesty's kingdom. The rest, I agree.
Same crap applies. In the UK, people can also goto the job services and they are forced to work for nothing so they can get "experience"
(Sep 7, 2015, 01:21 AM)Joey Skylynx link Wrote: [ -> ]Same crap applies. In the UK, people can also goto the job services and they are forced to work for nothing so they can get "experience"
I think the main issue is there are too many to take in. Look at Germany for instance.
(Sep 7, 2015, 01:21 AM)Joey Skylynx link Wrote: [ -> ]Same crap applies. In the UK, people can also goto the job services and they are forced to work for nothing so they can get "experience"
Not true. No one is forced to do anything. The thing you are referring to is an apprenticeship which is usually only offered to those in or just leaving education as to allow for flexible hours. There is also minimum wage on apprenticeships, so people in them do not work for 'nothing'. All other jobs have to offer the standard minimum wage.
(Sep 5, 2015, 11:25 PM)Joey Skylynx link Wrote: [ -> ][quote author=Lord Octagon link=topic=1629.msg15278#msg15278 date=1441299418]
What about their right of asylum? You can't deny them their basic human rights.
As a citizen of the United Kingdom, I fairly believe that my country's men and women are more important at the moment then those who run from a conflict that they are responsible for starting.
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You're from and live in the United States? Don't see why you're speaking from the side of a British person when you don't know how we actually feel about this.
I personally do feel sorry for these migrants and what they have had to endure but they shouldn't be so picky as to where they end up. They are lucky European countries are accepting them at all.
I would also like to add that the United Kingdom should not be taking in migrants, we simply do not have enough room or resources for them. Our national services are already being stretched as it is and our population has been increasing sharply for decades, whereas Germany's has decreased. Would be nice to see the richer Arab countries take in some migrants but that'll never happen.
I'm a dual citizen with the United States and United Kingdom. I also vote in each countries elections whenever I get the chance. Also I'm talking of the job programs offered which practically make you work at Tesco for less then minimum wage to "gain experince" which are pretty ridicilous as you require experince for most jobs so the whole idea seems rather pointless outside of cheaper labor.
(Sep 7, 2015, 08:58 AM)Joey Skylynx link Wrote: [ -> ]I'm a dual citizen with the United States and United Kingdom. I also vote in each countries elections whenever I get the chance. Also I'm talking of the job programs offered which practically make you work at Tesco for less then minimum wage to "gain experince" which are pretty ridicilous as you require experince for most jobs so the whole idea seems rather pointless outside of cheaper labor.
Please show a source to these programmes. Tesco pay more than minimum wage.