(Nov 3, 2017, 11:02 PM)Gungranny Wrote: [ -> ] (Nov 3, 2017, 10:54 PM)Nevy Wrote: [ -> ]LL serious rp, street racer rp, police raiding homes for no reason, cant run away from a taser, average home business is cooking meth, growing weed and printing money! Suits are hundreds of thousands of dollars and they change your characters appearance (race, gender), cars blow up and kill you when you hit a stop sign, everyone has a gun ammo and kevlar, you pop items out of your ass to sell, you get arrested for a few minutes, only IC consequence is jail or death
The reeelisn is real!! Come get our sereeous rp while its hot!
You really are a positive ball aren't you? Yes we have flaws and yes they are in abundance, yet people still try to have some serious RP from time to time. Being negative 24/7 doesn't help any argument and instead maybe you should contribute to how we can fix these problems in this discussion instead of just acting rude to someone's argument? Yes, you've made suggestions (very detailed in fact) that can fix some problems you've listed, but if you want people to support what you say, you need to at the very least be able to discuss things in a better manner than acting sarcastic when someone makes a point.
I've yet to see
one example of SeriousRP behavior on Limelight since it's conception and I'm honestly not interested in having a discussion about it anymore considering A) our community,
as a whole, isn't mature enough to properly conduct themselves in a SeriousRP environment and B) the type of role-play that leans towards a more serious aspect is being pushed away through the addition of content that is making the gameplay experience less and less about role-play and more and more about killing eachother.
Y'all are confusing the definition of SeriousRP and somehow relating it to realism. There's a big difference and in terms of role-play - just because you're starting to increase the realism of certain parts of the game - that does not make this SeriousRP. Even so, LL has yet to really do much to make it feel realistic.
We've opened up this dialogue about letting people decide how they wish to play and in return we've made this sacrifice of replacing RP Realism with RP Freedom. You're letting individuals decide the way they wish to play and in return we have developed, in my opinion, a huge problem. Administrator wise, it's definitely removing the burden of having @ calls regarding random raids, carrying weapons in public and committing crime in front of multiple witnesses. In my opinion, looking back, I probably would prefer how game-play was in the past. If our community was made up of older and more experienced players - I'd opt for allowing people to do what they wanted because the quality of the interactions would be far greater than what they are now. Sadly, our community is plagued by inexperienced players who are just here to have a fun time.
We're adding more content to feed into this - our updates here in this community seem to be directed towards the portion of the community that engages in AggressiveRP and GovernmentRP - both of which I believe should be our last priority. Updates to add light-bars, additional sirens, updated vehicle skins, etcetera are all unneeded and adds zero role-play value to the server as a whole. It's great and all for those who play a government role, but really that's not what this game is about. We've pushed out updates that keeps eliminating the reason to do anything other than CriminalRP or GovernmentRP.
Updates should be prioritized on giving people a reason NOT to constantly play those roles. We don't need 25% of the server playing as government roles. It's taking away the amount of RP that exists on the server and replacing it with people just driving around in a police vehicle waiting to pull someone over or to raid a home that has either contraband or armed suspects inside. That's not RP and this isn't a police simulator game-mode.
Bring back an interest in PassiveRP and tackle the problem we currently have on the server - AggressiveRP.
In my opinion - if we are to see any sense of realism - we need to make contraband and weapons a lot harder to acquire. We need to decrease the amount of people running around in Gas Masks and Hockey Masks with assault rifles. AggressiveRP should be rare and you shouldn't see everybody and their mother placing down contraband to make a quick buck. Contraband should be expensive and not be as easy to acquire as pressing Purchase in the F1 Menu. These should be player-made through an assortment of different components that you don't just find on the street corner. We shouldn't be seeing law enforcement get into gun-fights every few minutes nor should they be raiding on a regular basis. We need to make fully-automatic weapons extremely difficult to acquire, semi-automatic rifles and certain SMG's being hard to acquire while your smaller pistols are what are easiest to find.
Whitelisting police would be ideal - however at best right now I'd like to see a white-list at least on the Police Sergeant role. This role should have an experienced member in it and prevent an inexperienced one from taking it which only allows for abuse and exploitation. I've been arrested for the stupidest of things and since it's all IC - it's just fair game (?) which in my opinion has ruined game-play for me personally. It's opened the door for random arrests with zero consequence in an OOC manner considering they often bull-sh*t an arrest reason to get their warrants approved. We need to remove the arrest baton and opt that people must be transported to the PD to be processed. Allowing the TP to Jail aspect makes this feel like DarkRP and with the ability to randomly arrest anyone now - we see many players abusing this position to quickly arrest someone with little to no RP interaction.
You also need to add a way to properly hide items on your character - the search feature is currently extremely unbalanced and allows LEO to quickly detain you and search you with little to no reason. Most people, being inexperienced, won't opt to use the /roll feature to determine if they find anything on your character and instead will just search you and arrest you if found with anything on your person.
Removing the Scoreboard IC information and all IC information visible when hovering over a person without any RP relationship is clearly one of the biggest issues. Most people metagame either directly or indirectly - such as using the scoreboard to determine who is playing as a criminal role and hence going and patrolling for these individuals. It happens, everybody does it whether or not they admit it.
Ultimately - SeriousRP doesn't exist on the server. Sure, you have some people playing as LEO in a realistic manner and while they know all their handy dandy codes and how to properly conduct a traffic stop (PilotC) - that doesn't make it SeriousRP.
Stop pushing out GovernmentRP updates and focus on making the Citizen role more relevant in the game-mode. Give people things to do, increase the interest in starting a PassiveRP business, change the clan system to allow you to form an proprietorship, LLC, Corporation - and alternatively create a parallel system that would be for creating groups (gangs, black market groups, etc) and give benefits to these different types of businesses and of course make it relatively inexpensive to create a proprietorship, increasing the start-up cost for an LLC and very much so for a corporation. Make the proprietorship easy to disband and make it impossible to transfer to another person - however make the LLC and Corporations operate like they would in real life and allow them to transfer control to other individuals easily. Allow people to bring in investors and allow the owner of the company to easily distribute a % ownership of their business to other individuals and open the door for company RP that would greatly surpass this pale clan system we currently have.
All in all, I'll be positive when I start seeing changes that actually promote RP server-wide instead of just opting to add things that make it more fun to be a fire fighter or a police officer. Get rid of content that doesn't make sense - Phonebooth that allows you to metagame and send an anonymous message that can't be replied to - Bodybags that server zero RP value and just clutter the streets and do everything I mentioned and maybe I'll have a better outlook on the direction of this community.
Character Creation Menu and creating permanent characters that you can save and load onto with separate inventories and wallets currently has 25 supports and 0 negative supports - pushed for staff review - just like most suggestions. Upper management needs to make a call on what direction we should head in and like others have said, we should be taking advantage of a lost opportunity. Developing this game-mode to be SeriousRP and focusing on that solely - not on pleasing both groups. We're mediocre at the time being. We're not the only CityRP server and we're certainly not the best. That being said, there's currently a large number of individuals in this community that wish to see SeriousRP here, both in game-play and game features, and there's a large amount of SeriousRP players in Garry's Mod both from PERP/HL2RP/Clockwork/TNB/Etcetera - and we'd be tapping into a potentially lucrative new field that would opt for individuals that don't come to just f*ck around on a Friday night but instead come to actually RP.
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