Jun 23, 2016, 04:02 PM
Jun 23, 2016, 05:03 PM
I'll be voting remain, yes there will be negatives, but there is always negatives and this is the same if we leave.
But overall staying in has more positives that outway the negatives.
But overall staying in has more positives that outway the negatives.
Jun 23, 2016, 05:24 PM
Thing is, both sides of the argument have points to combat each other's.
I came to my conclusion based on the fact that the only solid point the remain campaign has is the uncertainty if we leave. This uncertainty if we leave also applies to if we remain. We don't know what the Euro will do in the next 5 years, or what countries will likely join, or what countries will leave the EU in that time frame. But what we do know is Eastern countries such as Macedonia are very likely to join. We know that France, Italy, Spain among others economies are going to shit, stuck in debt traps. We know that alongside Germany, we'll be propping up the rest of Europe. We also know that Germany's economy is going down the pan too. So although it's not conclusive, it can be assumed that remaining in the EU will bring economic problems which we can't have much control over. We'll be propping up these economies at the expense of our own.
If we leave, it's been estimated that a recession will follow. But after that, we're in a strong economical position.
On economics alone, it's clear to be that the safer option when expanding one's mindset beyond the next 3-5 years is to leave. It's uncertain, yes, but what is almost certain is that the EU project is going to fail, and as a interviewee said today, will we go down with the great EU titanic or will we be on our little island lifeboat.
Vote Out.
I came to my conclusion based on the fact that the only solid point the remain campaign has is the uncertainty if we leave. This uncertainty if we leave also applies to if we remain. We don't know what the Euro will do in the next 5 years, or what countries will likely join, or what countries will leave the EU in that time frame. But what we do know is Eastern countries such as Macedonia are very likely to join. We know that France, Italy, Spain among others economies are going to shit, stuck in debt traps. We know that alongside Germany, we'll be propping up the rest of Europe. We also know that Germany's economy is going down the pan too. So although it's not conclusive, it can be assumed that remaining in the EU will bring economic problems which we can't have much control over. We'll be propping up these economies at the expense of our own.
If we leave, it's been estimated that a recession will follow. But after that, we're in a strong economical position.
On economics alone, it's clear to be that the safer option when expanding one's mindset beyond the next 3-5 years is to leave. It's uncertain, yes, but what is almost certain is that the EU project is going to fail, and as a interviewee said today, will we go down with the great EU titanic or will we be on our little island lifeboat.
Vote Out.
Jun 23, 2016, 05:51 PM
Fuck, we're currently still in a recession..fuck going into another one right now.
And it's all speculation.
This will happen, that will happen.
I can't trust anything any side says after the smear campaign brought to the table during the Scottish referendum.
Fear mongering lies and dirty tactics will be in play in this referendum as well.
For me, I think about myself and the communities I work in, my job part relies on EU funding that's given to the Scottish Governmrnt to allocate accordingly so yes my opinion may be a little bias.
That is a vital service for communities I work in, people have the argument but if we aren't giving the EU all this money we could find it ourselves, now yes that's true to a certain extent but there is no guarantee that will actually happen, right now it does happen, it has been happening for years.
The only to be sure that the funding will stay in place is to remain the way we are.
Sometimes change is good, not this time though.
And it's all speculation.
This will happen, that will happen.
I can't trust anything any side says after the smear campaign brought to the table during the Scottish referendum.
Fear mongering lies and dirty tactics will be in play in this referendum as well.
For me, I think about myself and the communities I work in, my job part relies on EU funding that's given to the Scottish Governmrnt to allocate accordingly so yes my opinion may be a little bias.
That is a vital service for communities I work in, people have the argument but if we aren't giving the EU all this money we could find it ourselves, now yes that's true to a certain extent but there is no guarantee that will actually happen, right now it does happen, it has been happening for years.
The only to be sure that the funding will stay in place is to remain the way we are.
Sometimes change is good, not this time though.
Jun 23, 2016, 06:47 PM
so you're primarily basing your decision on fear in itself. Fear that you won't recieve money etc. Well I ask you, in 5 years time, we'll be walking around a zoo do you see yourself doing the same job? What about 20 years time? It seems you've made a choice based on your immediate circumstances, as have a lot of people, when in reality it should be your future.
What happens when the EU likely fails, and your funding will get cut anyway?
It's easy to think ahead for the next week, but hard for the next decade. All I ask if that if anyone is going to vote and is yet to still do so, just think about your future. Regardless of which way you vote, vote for yourself, on your own facts, for your own future.
What happens when the EU likely fails, and your funding will get cut anyway?
It's easy to think ahead for the next week, but hard for the next decade. All I ask if that if anyone is going to vote and is yet to still do so, just think about your future. Regardless of which way you vote, vote for yourself, on your own facts, for your own future.
Jun 23, 2016, 07:29 PM
That's some good advice there. Both sides of the campaign are relying heavily on fear tactics, even if they claim they aren't. Speculation is wild and the remain side will, of course, try and convince you that a Brexit would cause irreversible economic shock with long-term consequences. But I've yet to see any information or facts for an accurate long-term financial forecast. The Leave side also use fear: fear of immigration and all the uncertainty, both economic and social, that comes with it. I was watching the BBC Debate the other day and thought it was pathetic how these politicians were putting their messages across. Trying to play with fear and emotions on both sides, very few hard facts, and grown adults bickering like children on stage.
So Jono's advice holds true regardless of the outcome. We don't yet know if the EU will fail if we remain, as a lot of that is just more fear pandering. We don't know if we'll do well if we leave, but the Remain side saying that we absolutely wouldn't is, again, fear.
I made the decision to vote Remain primarily because, for now, I think it's the best thing for my future and for technological advancement as a whole, which will help the economy in itself. Should I be upset if the Leave vote wins? Not really. I'll have to adapt my future plans, just like the whole world will have to adapt. Either way, Remain or Leave, so long as the individual's of this country can adapt to a situation, we'll be OK.
Personally I'm just looking forwards to this whole situation being over so that Parliament can get back to actually sorting out current issues, rather than spending the entire time advertising in a fear campaign.
So Jono's advice holds true regardless of the outcome. We don't yet know if the EU will fail if we remain, as a lot of that is just more fear pandering. We don't know if we'll do well if we leave, but the Remain side saying that we absolutely wouldn't is, again, fear.
I made the decision to vote Remain primarily because, for now, I think it's the best thing for my future and for technological advancement as a whole, which will help the economy in itself. Should I be upset if the Leave vote wins? Not really. I'll have to adapt my future plans, just like the whole world will have to adapt. Either way, Remain or Leave, so long as the individual's of this country can adapt to a situation, we'll be OK.
Personally I'm just looking forwards to this whole situation being over so that Parliament can get back to actually sorting out current issues, rather than spending the entire time advertising in a fear campaign.
Jun 23, 2016, 08:53 PM
(Jun 23, 2016, 06:47 PM)Jono Wrote: [ -> ]so you're primarily basing your decision on fear in itself. Fear that you won't recieve money etc. Well I ask you, in 5 years time, we'll be walking around a zoo do you see yourself doing the same job? What about 20 years time? It seems you've made a choice based on your immediate circumstances, as have a lot of people, when in reality it should be your future.
What happens when the EU likely fails, and your funding will get cut anyway?
It's easy to think ahead for the next week, but hard for the next decade. All I ask if that if anyone is going to vote and is yet to still do so, just think about your future. Regardless of which way you vote, vote for yourself, on your own facts, for your own future.
Not just thinking about myself also thinking about the numerous communities I work in, I also expect to be in my job for the foreseeable future.
As I said it's notable about me I work in the voluntary sector as a youth work manager in Glasgow and our teams deliver youth work, street work, drop ins alcohol and drug, employment, and single parent services across communities that are in the SIMD top 100. So yes I'm not thinking about myself I'm thinking about the vulnerable young people I work with.
Reference SIMD is the Scottish Index of Multi Deprivation
Jun 23, 2016, 08:59 PM
I've still not voted and am questioning whether I do now.
I'm not a pro politics guy, both sides are telling lies of what could happen and both are telling truth of what could happen, but I'd rather abstain because I cannot vote if I'm not 100% sure.
I'm not a pro politics guy, both sides are telling lies of what could happen and both are telling truth of what could happen, but I'd rather abstain because I cannot vote if I'm not 100% sure.
Jun 23, 2016, 09:02 PM
(Jun 23, 2016, 08:59 PM)Falcao Wrote: [ -> ]I've still not voted and am questioning whether I do now.
I'm not a pro politics guy, both sides are telling lies of what could happen and both are telling truth of what could happen, but I'd rather abstain because I cannot vote if I'm not 100% sure.
Engurland won't be in the Euros. Man U won't have any Champs league mate.
Jun 23, 2016, 09:06 PM
Not that Man U are gonna make the Champions League anyway lel
Jun 23, 2016, 09:07 PM
Didn't vote today because I'm too lazy and I'm happy either way.
Jun 23, 2016, 10:30 PM
Didn't vote, I'm not fussed.
If we leave we leave, if we stay we stay. Either way I'll get on with my life as normal.
If we leave we leave, if we stay we stay. Either way I'll get on with my life as normal.
Jun 23, 2016, 11:00 PM
(Jun 12, 2016, 02:13 PM)Python Wrote: [ -> ]The way I see it.
If we leave RIP trade, but then again we no longer have to bail Greece out.
Also we will receive little to no assistance from France in terms of border control, so I have a mixed opinion
How would it effect trade?
Jun 23, 2016, 11:02 PM
(Jun 12, 2016, 02:13 PM)Python Wrote: [ -> ]The way I see it.
If we leave RIP trade, but then again we no longer have to bail Greece out.
Also we will receive little to no assistance from France in terms of border control, so I have a mixed opinion
How would it effect trade? Also it would benefit us as our borders would be in our control.
Jun 23, 2016, 11:04 PM
(Jun 23, 2016, 11:02 PM)Innovative Wrote: [ -> ]How would it effect trade? Being in the EU Prohibits us from signing new trade deals with countrys such as Australia, China, India, Leaving would open a new world of opportunity. Also it would benefit us as our borders would be in our control(Jun 12, 2016, 02:13 PM)Python Wrote: [ -> ]The way I see it.
If we leave RIP trade, but then again we no longer have to bail Greece out.
Also we will receive little to no assistance from France in terms of border control, so I have a mixed opinion