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Scottyland please don't leave us, I love you

I think Scotland leaving now is awful timing for the overall stability of the UK, and even European market recovery. I appreciate a ton of people are upset, but it's going to complicate matters even more at a time when we need as much political stability as possible. Also, Scotland would still have to become an EU member state, and alone they're not really an attractive one, as far as I know.

I voted remain mainly for my concern for research and development, universities and so on, but people need to get their shit together and stop moaning or crying by the time the day is up. I appreciate that much of the 48% is likely very upset, but it's not going to help anything. If you really care about the state of this country, then rather than moan you'll work to help make it better, be that through studying hard, working hard, or creating a better social atmosphere by being positive. Now is the time to accept this democratic resolution and work with the Leave side to get the best trade deals possible for the UK so that we can remain a major power, and perhaps even improve our status.

Jeremy Clarkson put this much better than I did:

I was very much leave, until last night when I was told some things that will not happen when we leave such as some things within our border control and so forth. this left me undecided and quite nervous as I watch the vote count.

The pound dropped to the lowest in 30 years, the FTSE 100 dropped 8%, and both Scotland and Northern Ireland want a referendum. Good job everyone who voted leave for fucking up our country for the foreseeable future.

I must give credit to Cameron though. He told the public what he thought was best for the UK and the public ignored him so he is resigning. He clearly doesn't want to be captain of a sinking ship.

We've got 2 years to sort this shit stain of a mess out, better crack on...

(Jun 24, 2016, 08:18 PM)Faustie Wrote: [ -> ]I think Scotland leaving now is awful timing for the overall stability of the UK, and even European market recovery. I appreciate a ton of people are upset, but it's going to complicate matters even more at a time when we need as much political stability as possible. Also, Scotland would still have to become an EU member state, and alone they're not really an attractive one, as far as I know.

I voted remain mainly for my concern for research and development, universities and so on, but people need to get their shit together and stop moaning or crying by the time the day is up. I appreciate that much of the 48% is likely very upset, but it's not going to help anything. If you really care about the state of this country, then rather than moan you'll work to help make it better, be that through studying hard, working hard, or creating a better social atmosphere by being positive. Now is the time to accept this democratic resolution and work with the Leave side to get the best trade deals possible for the UK so that we can remain a major power, and perhaps even improve our status.

Jeremy Clarkson put this much better than I did:

Well we meet the Copenhagen Criteria, unlike "Turkey"

Also there is no chance we will be in the EU while we remain a part of the UK.

I don't think there is a better time to leave.

FML all I've seen is bad news. IT'S NOT All bad news.
Firstly, For our trade deals, we will still trade with the EU, this just opens up a new world of opportunity's... We can now trade with growing and developing countries like India, China and more, Not forgetting New zeland and Australia.
Also a main factor agriculture will be better off.
At the end of the day what's done is done, In the words of Jeremy Clarkson "Roll up our sleeves and make this shit shower work"

I like to leave, EU efficiently laws state we cannot have hovers or vacuum cleaners over a certain power, now we have left I will live happier life with cleaner room because Hoovers more powerful picking more shit up quicker therefore spending less time hoovering and cleaning therefore wasting more off my life to make threads like these and playing garrysmod.

(Jun 25, 2016, 04:19 AM)Innovative Wrote: [ -> ]FML all I've seen is bad news. IT'S NOT All bad news.
Firstly, For our trade deals, we will still trade with the EU, this just opens up a new world of opportunity's... We can now trade with growing and developing countries like India, China and more, Not forgetting New zeland and Australia.
Also a main factor agriculture will be better off.
At the end of the day what's done is done, In the words of Jeremy Clarkson "Roll up our sleeves and make this shit shower work"

WE ARE FREE PEOPLE, MARK THIS DAY 6/24/2016 - BRITISH INDEPENDENCE DAY.

Thats invalid on multiple accounts.
yes, you can trade with more countries now, but you will never be able to compete with these countires, for example two countries you named have a lot of childlabour. Get a trade deal with them and you can kiss everything created by hand goodbye, since they will be able to produce it a lot cheaper. The EU's countries will be a lot more hesitant to trade with the UK, its more expensive and a lot is very unclear. Without the EU the UK has A LOT of loopholes in its law since most of the EU's legislation dropped as well.

On top of that, London was the center of trade in Europe and that will all be gone. Banks and insurance companies will think twice before investing in the UK since its simply too unclear and dangerous to do so. The pound hasnt been lower since the past 30 years (and thats saying something) so as of now i dont see any good news yet.

Lets just hope that will change.

Germany will be trading with us, otherwise their car market is going to have a huge sink, UK buys 1/5th of their cars.

We need to be realistic, yes, but we can also be optimistic. It's not just the UK that's unstable; the EU is as well, with several other countries calling for their own exit and severe reforms needed. With that in mind, banks and other financial institutions are unlikely to set up anywhere else in Europe in the near future due to this uncertainty, especially when such a move can be very expensive.

It'll take a long time to disentangle the EU legislature, but it can be done. One suggestion was to simply copy it over and then remove or modify laws piece by piece to better suit our individual circumstances.

The pound is low, but the change isn't all that drastic. A major drop was precisely because everyone was betting on remain, and they lost that bet. The pound has already made some headway towards recovery, and we're only on the second day. If the FTSE 100 is any indication, the pound should also continue to recover - how much, I don't know, but the FTSE has closed for the week higher than it was on Monday, before this began. That's a good sign. The blue chip index has also recovered well so far.

Feb 11 2016 FTSE 100 = 5536
Jun 24 2016 FTSE 100 = 6338

We have a great amount of assets and incredible buying power as a nation; the EU can't afford to not trade with us, especially as they struggle to support many of the net negative countries. Even if the pound does remain low, that's not necessarily a bad thing so long as we respond in the right way. It means that other countries will be looking to buy more manufactured goods from us due to a better exchange rate for them; a perfect response would be to improve our own manufacturing industry in response. If we actually put our heads together and got things done, and used new advanced in manufacturing technology, we could build some fantastic and highly versatile production plants and foundries.

Yes, this is a shock to the market. But it's been more of a shock to the European markets than it has to us. They fell further and haven't recovered nearly as well as ours, in some cases. This has been a difficult situation and a lot has happened, but the important thing is to stop moaning, work on fixing our social divides, and work hard on sorting this. I just hope that the MPs work as hard as SpaceX and don't take any poorly timed holidays.

This isn't Greece.

I think the main reason there's so much talk post-vote is the way the entire thing played out.
Yes, Remainers might be sounding like sore losers with the "we want another vote", but I can sympathise in the sense that literally HALF THE POPULATION didn't want this.
And MORE than half the gonna-be-here-in-20-years didn't want this.

The three issues to sum up:

1. It was not a clear victory
51.9% to 48.1% is just straddling half, with a difference of about 1 million people between them. Considering 72% of the voting population did indeed vote, that's 28% who could've made the results more definite - either Brexit or Remain.

2. It was very much influenced by the older generation
Youth who will be most affected are bitter that the dependent population have more say in their future then they do themselves


3. People voted for the wrong reasons

I don't want to label all Leave voters in the same way, but if you look at a significant amount of reasons behind Leave votes, there's a distinct theme of 'immigrants are bad, make UK great again, EU oppresses us'. My grandmother said 'her heart told her leave, her brain told her stay', and she listened to the latter - I presume many of the older Brexiteers listened to their heart.
We've also seen many claims being retracted and it's causing panic, because Leave isn't what everyone thought it'd be.

-Farage retracts claim that £350 million can be pumped into NHS
-Daniel Hannan retracts claim that Leave will reduce immigration significantly
-£100 billion wiped off pensions ("Look after our own"), instead being put into the FTSE following the crash
-"We can price things how we want" proven false as prices rise

Cornwall, who voted Leave, has asked “that Cornwall receives investment equal to that provided by the EU programme which has averaged £60m per year over the last ten years.”

Most campaigning was done in London from both sides. London voted Remain. This perhaps shows they were more informed, Suggesting that many weren't properly informed as to what they were voting for.
The search term "what happens if we leave the EU" shot up 250% since the vote was decided on Google.
Leave or Remain voters regardless, it shows people didn't know what implications Leaving actually would have.


And now, people are using this as a Carte Blanche to be racist and take it out on immigrants. Or anybody who might be an immigrant.
That's not what makes Britain Great. It makes us look like a xenophobic nation who put nationalistic superiorism ahead of international cooperation.
That's why people like me are making such a big deal of it right now. I don't want to be branded as a British Bigot. I want the entire world to know there was 48.1% who DID want to keep our EU ties. The Leave campaign has been very successful in burning bridges in our image. We as a nation have become an image for fascists and isolationists. We've talked shit about Trump's bar on immigration when we collectively have voted for an option in hopes of doing that.

Trade assurances aren't "we'll trade to keep up relations", but rather "EUROPE NEEDS US". Take a seat, the bridge you've burnt may be needed one day for someone else to cross.

(Jun 25, 2016, 07:59 PM)Faustie Wrote: [ -> ]We need to be realistic, yes, but we can also be optimistic. It's not just the UK that's unstable; the EU is as well, with several other countries calling for their own exit and severe reforms needed. With that in mind, banks and other financial institutions are unlikely to set up anywhere else in Europe in the near future due to this uncertainty, especially when such a move can be very expensive.

It'll take a long time to disentangle the EU legislature, but it can be done. One suggestion was to simply copy it over and then remove or modify laws piece by piece to better suit our individual circumstances.

The pound is low, but the change isn't all that drastic. A major drop was precisely because everyone was betting on remain, and they lost that bet. The pound has already made some headway towards recovery, and we're only on the second day. If the FTSE 100 is any indication, the pound should also continue to recover - how much, I don't know, but the FTSE has closed for the week higher than it was on Monday, before this began.  That's a good sign. The blue chip index has also recovered well so far.

Feb 11 2016 FTSE 100 = 5536
Jun 24 2016 FTSE 100 = 6338

We have a great amount of assets and incredible buying power as a nation; the EU can't afford to not trade with us, especially as they struggle to support many of the net negative countries. Even if the pound does remain low, that's not necessarily a bad thing so long as we respond in the right way. It means that other countries will be looking to buy more manufactured goods from us due to a better exchange rate for them; a perfect response would be to improve our own manufacturing industry in response. If we actually put our heads together and got things done, and used new advanced in manufacturing technology, we could build some fantastic and highly versatile production plants and foundries.

Yes, this is a shock to the market. But it's been more of a shock to the European markets than it has to us. They fell further and haven't recovered nearly as well as ours, in some cases. This has been a difficult situation and a lot has happened, but the important thing is to stop moaning, work on fixing our social divides, and work hard on sorting this. I just hope that the MPs work as hard as SpaceX and don't take any poorly timed holidays.

This isn't Greece.

"It's not just the UK that's unstable; the EU is as well, with several other countries calling for their own exit and severe reforms needed. With that in mind, banks and other financial institutions are unlikely to set up anywhere else in Europe in the near future due to this uncertainty, especially when such a move can be very expensive."

Banks that used to have their buildings in London are moving out, its expensive but most banks have plenty of money to cover these costs. I cant stress enough how much money that will cost the UK each year. I dont agree with the last part regarding banks not moving, i can promise you that banks will be leaving the UK before the 2 year mark has been reached. They will probably settle in Amsterdam and Berlin.

We have a great amount of assets and incredible buying power as a nation; the EU can't afford to not trade with us, especially as they struggle to support many of the net negative countries. Even if the pound does remain low, that's not necessarily a bad thing so long as we respond in the right way. It means that other countries will be looking to buy more manufactured goods from us due to a better exchange rate for them; a perfect response would be to improve our own manufacturing industry in response. 

I disagree with some points here. Youre right, the EU (mostly the Netherlands, France and Germany) cant afford not to trade with the UK but they can afford to trade less with you and they will likely do so due to multiple reasons. England left the EU and with that we (as the netherlands) have lost a valuable trading partner, but the UK lost a lot more tradepartners. EU countries will still be trading with the UK but at a less efficient, more expensive way.

Secondly, the part about the low pound is only partly true. Generally speaking its indeed good for the industry if the valuta drops. That will attract foreign investors and usually means that the country will be making more money. This would also be the case with Brexit except for the fact that everyone trading with the UK in the future will be paying large amounts of import taxes which makes those deals a lot less attractive. UK is attempting to make deals with countries individually but that wont get them around EU law which forces countries to charge import fee's to non EU counties.

Yes, this is a shock to the market. But it's been more of a shock to the European markets than it has to us. They fell further and haven't recovered nearly as well as ours, in some cases. 

May i ask what your source on that is because i have a hard time believing that. The EU markets have suffered a lot as well but not nearly as the UK's market. Besides, this isnt a match who is taking the least beating, i said it earlier and i will say it again: In my opinion the brexit knows no winners, everybody loses. Its just wait and see to check who lost the least.

The UK has lost its AAA credit rating.

ggwp