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Kobi Blade · **Mar 10, 2016, 10:41 AM**

PHP and SQL, best languages I ever got my hands on, the possibilities with both are endless.

I'm extremely shocked you didn't like them.

Anyway this types of languages are the most basic you can find, real programming is over at C, you have to start somewhere though.

I went through HTML, CSS, Javascript, PHP, SQL, C, Objective-C, C++ and C#.

WildDorito · **Mar 10, 2016, 11:21 AM**

(Mar 10, 2016, 10:41 AM)Kobi Blade Wrote: PHP and SQL, best languages I ever got my hands on, the possibilities with both are endless.

I'm extremely shocked you didn't like them.

Anyway this types of languages are the most basic you can find, real programming is over at C, you have to start somewhere though.

I went through HTML, CSS, Javascript, PHP, SQL, C, Objective-C, C++ and C#.

They are good languages, even though I hate PHP, i'll still use it, it's just annoying if you forget one apostrophe or a semi colon. Otherwise, PHP is ok to use. I dont mind SQL.
I'll probably stick to coding websites, i'll probably learn C, C++, etc later on in life.

Kobi Blade · **Mar 10, 2016, 01:26 PM**

(Mar 10, 2016, 11:21 AM)WildDorito Wrote:
(Mar 10, 2016, 10:41 AM)Kobi Blade Wrote: PHP and SQL, best languages I ever got my hands on, the possibilities with both are endless.

I'm extremely shocked you didn't like them.

Anyway this types of languages are the most basic you can find, real programming is over at C, you have to start somewhere though.

I went through HTML, CSS, Javascript, PHP, SQL, C, Objective-C, C++ and C#.

They are good languages, even though I hate PHP, i'll still use it, it's just annoying if you forget one apostrophe or a semi colon. Otherwise, PHP is ok to use. I dont mind SQL.
I'll probably stick to coding websites, i'll probably learn C, C++, etc later on in life.

That happens in every language, a single character missing or wrongly typed can make a whole difference.

C is harder and more depressive compared to web languages, but once you learn C the rest will be easy and straight forward (Objective-C, C++, C#).

Zyth · **Mar 10, 2016, 06:59 PM**

(Mar 10, 2016, 01:34 AM)Razz Wrote: [html]
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Nice jokes m8
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**goigle** · **Mar 10, 2016, 08:49 PM**

(Mar 10, 2016, 01:26 PM)Kobi Blade Wrote: That happens in every language, a single character missing or wrongly typed can make a whole difference.

C is harder and more depressive compared to web languages, but once you learn C the rest will be easy and straight forward (Objective-C, C++, C#).

You don't need to learn C to learn the other languages. Learning C and then learning C# will not make it really that much easier as C# has a different paradigm.

C# is nice though because you can use it on the web (only with Windows servers now, but that's supposed to change in the future), mobile & PCs/Macs/Linux.

Kobi Blade · **Mar 10, 2016, 10:58 PM**

(Mar 10, 2016, 08:49 PM)goigle Wrote:
(Mar 10, 2016, 01:26 PM)Kobi Blade Wrote: That happens in every language, a single character missing or wrongly typed can make a whole difference.

C is harder and more depressive compared to web languages, but once you learn C the rest will be easy and straight forward (Objective-C, C++, C#).

You don't need to learn C to learn the other languages. Learning C and then learning C# will not make it really that much easier as C# has a different paradigm.

C# is nice though because you can use it on the web (only with Windows servers now, but that's supposed to change in the future), mobile & PCs/Macs/Linux.

I never mentioned you need to learn C to learn other languages, I said learning C will make it easier to learn all the others (Objective-C, C++, C#).

They were all designed with portability in mind between each other, so I must say you wrong when you say "Learning C and then learning C# will not make it really that much easier".

**goigle** · **Mar 11, 2016, 03:31 AM**

(Mar 10, 2016, 10:58 PM)Kobi Blade Wrote: I never mentioned you need to learn C to learn other languages, I said learning C will make it easier to learn all the others (Objective-C, C++, C#).

They were all designed with portability in mind between each other, so I must say you wrong when you say "Learning C and then learning C# will not make it really that much easier".

While you never mentioned it, you implied that C is a good stepping stone.

As for the other bit, that's not true.
C++ was supposed to be an extension of C (with the ++ being a play on the ++ operator)
C# was an extension of C++ (# sort of looks like 4 + symbols)

If you look at C# code and C code the base syntax is somewhat familiar but they are very different languages. C# was by no means designed to be easy to switch between the other two. Pointers are a big thing in C/C++ while in C# it is the default in most (if not all compilers) to throw an error if you use pointers.

Kobi Blade · **Mar 11, 2016, 12:41 PM**

(Mar 11, 2016, 03:31 AM)goigle Wrote:
(Mar 10, 2016, 10:58 PM)Kobi Blade Wrote: I never mentioned you need to learn C to learn other languages, I said learning C will make it easier to learn all the others (Objective-C, C++, C#).

They were all designed with portability in mind between each other, so I must say you wrong when you say "Learning C and then learning C# will not make it really that much easier".
While you never mentioned it, you implied that C is a good stepping stone.

As for the other bit, that's not true.
C++ was supposed to be an extension of C (with the ++ being a play on the ++ operator)
C# was an extension of C++ (# sort of looks like 4 + symbols)

If you look at C# code and C code the base syntax is somewhat familiar but they are very different languages. C# was by no means designed to be easy to switch between the other two. Pointers are a big thing in C/C++ while in C# it is the default in most (if not all compilers) to throw an error if you use pointers.

You disagreeing won't change the fact of what I said, you're going against the people that brought up those languages and developers around the world.

If you learned C and found the same difficulty (after) when trying to learn C++ and C#, maybe you aren't for this. They aren't supposed to be the same just easy to port code between (and there's thousands of tools that help with this).

Any proper developer that knows the three languages can port code between the three.

Voluptious · **Mar 11, 2016, 02:05 PM**

This is a thread about web development.

Lets keep it that way pls.

**goigle** · **Mar 11, 2016, 06:18 PM**

(Mar 11, 2016, 12:41 PM)Kobi Blade Wrote: If you learned C and found the same difficulty (after) when trying to learn C++ and C#, maybe you aren't for this. They aren't supposed to be the same just easy to port code between (and there's thousands of tools that help with this).

Any proper developer that knows the three languages can port code between the three.

I learned C# before C/C++. I didn't find C too difficult, I am saying a beginner would not gain many useful skills from C than C# over another language.
Also, I am a computer science major, so I can assure you that I am "for this."
It's not easy to port code from C/C++ to C# - you literally have no idea what you are talking about and any "proper developer" would know that. Go ahead and show me an automatic tool to convert from C to C#.
I don't want to be rude, but you literally have no idea what you're talking about. C is imperative, C# is object oriented. The structure of projects is different, the way you write code is different, the way you do many things is entirely different. C# has managed code, C++/C are largely unmanaged (I believe C++ does have some managed extensions).

You sound like someone who is self taught and who has never worked in a professional environment, which is not necessarily a bad thing but you should not go around and tell people misinformation.
See here:
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1239...-error-why
Note how the best solution says "C/C++" not "C/C++/C#". C# has array bounds checking.
There's a reason that C, C++ and C# programmers are not all grouped together.

OT:

Does anyone use PHP in a Windows environment? I recently switched to a Windows server because I wanted to play around with ASPX but I'm also hosting a MyBB forum...
PHP + Windows = interesting results I've found....

Zyth · **Mar 11, 2016, 06:48 PM**

(Mar 11, 2016, 06:18 PM)goigle Wrote:
(Mar 11, 2016, 12:41 PM)Kobi Blade Wrote: If you learned C and found the same difficulty (after) when trying to learn C++ and C#, maybe you aren't for this. They aren't supposed to be the same just easy to port code between (and there's thousands of tools that help with this).

Any proper developer that knows the three languages can port code between the three.
I learned C# before C/C++. I didn't find C too difficult, I am saying a beginner would not gain many useful skills from C than C# over another language.
Also, I am a computer science major, so I can assure you that I am "for this."
It's not easy to port code from C/C++ to C# - you literally have no idea what you are talking about and any "proper developer" would know that. Go ahead and show me an automatic tool to convert from C to C#.
I don't want to be rude, but you literally have no idea what you're talking about. C is imperative, C# is object oriented. The structure of projects is different, the way you write code is different, the way you do many things is entirely different. C# has managed code, C++/C are largely unmanaged (I believe C++ does have some managed extensions).

You sound like someone who is self taught and who has never worked in a professional environment, which is not necessarily a bad thing but you should not go around and tell people misinformation.
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https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1239...-error-why
Note how the best solution says "C/C++" not "C/C++/C#". C# has array bounds checking.
There's a reason that C, C++ and C# programmers are not all grouped together.

OT:

Does anyone use PHP in a Windows environment? I recently switched to a Windows server because I wanted to play around with ASPX but I'm also hosting a MyBB forum...
PHP + Windows = interesting results I've found....

m9 php + windows = fine use iis or wamp

**goigle** · **Mar 11, 2016, 07:04 PM**

welp I'm on a shared hosting environment (aka paid hosting) so their PHP implementation is not optimal (no curl, no IO) for windows... do you have your own machine or what do you use for hosting?

thinking about just using the C# PHP plugin, whatever it's called (lets you run C# code in PHP)

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