[Spooki]

Name of Player: [L2:RP] Python

SteamID: STEAM_0:1:47537763

Server: 33x

Time: 5:00pm GMT+0

Summary: It's all explained in the video, but here are the rules he broke: Refusing to sell a part of the house when he doesn't own the front door, NLR, Random Raid, Backseat Administration.

Evidence:

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[Taylor]

Asking why you RDM'd haiserberger is not backseat administration, He was just a bystander he didnt do anything.
And secondly with the walls, I thought the people I was basing with still owned the doors. So I built a wall to stop people entering. When you told me you owned the doors I challenged you by saying "No, we're still basing here." Not knowing we weren't, I removed the props 20 seconds laters. Not 5 minutes.

[Spooki]

Asking why you RDM'd haiserberger is not backseat administration, He was just a bystander he didnt do anything.
And secondly with the walls, I thought the people I was basing with still owned the doors. So I built a wall to stop people entering. When you told me you owned the doors I challenged you by saying "No, we're still basing here." Not knowing we weren't, I removed the props 20 seconds laters. Not 5 minutes.

I already told you, he was trespassing and stood right next to you during the raid, at which point, I can kill him. It was backseat administration as you broke NLR to ask me why I killed someone. That is backseat administration. Second of all, you built a blockade on the at first, then I told you I lived there and you removed it, you then began to build around my house.

[Blazing]

I am a partial witness to this.

I can say that I didn't see the actual raid incident or when Oblichicken bought the door, but I can say that Zeyon previously owned the front door and left, leaving the door unsold and then Oblichicken must have bought it. Before then, Zeyon owned the front door and Python owned the garage door.

It's an understandable situation, and as for the actual ownership of the house, the confusion is at fault of neither of them; neither party would have been able to know that the other owned the doors.

[Taylor]

[quote author=iPythonHD link=topic=2520.msg24452#msg24452 date=1446155896]
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Right, so Yes, I was going to build a Fading door gate at the front of Corleone Estate, which I then removed. So I changed my idea to build a wall around what I thought was still our house, then when you said you lived there, I said you didn't, but then removed it. Also I moved 20 feet away from my spawn. Although admittedly I did break NLR by entering the NLR Zone, I didn't not cause any harm or do any actions apart from asking 1 question.

EDIT: It wasn't a so called, "Random Raid" as you were threatening me.

[Spooki]

Right, so Yes, I was going to build a Fading door gate at the front of Corleone Estate, which I then removed. So I changed my idea to build a wall around what I thought was still our house, then when you said you lived there, I said you didn't, but then removed it. Also I moved 20 feet away from my spawn. Although admittedly I did break NLR by entering the NLR Zone, I didn't not cause any harm or do any actions apart from asking 1 question.

EDIT: It wasn't a so called, "Random Raid" as you were threatening me.

Eh.. what? Threatening you? What on earth did I do to threaten you? Because I did not. Therefore, it was a completely random raid, and why is that a reason to raid me. Also, it does not matter if you didn't do any damage by breaking NLR, it's like saying I'm not doing any damage by breaking NLR to get my car back, it's still breaking NLR.

By the way, think of the ownership thing like this, in the Tides Hotel, there are two doors in each room, if I owned the front door and someone else owned the door inside, am I not the owner of that room? Which means that the person that owns the inside door should sell it, as they do not own the room. It's virtually the same situation here, the house is connected to the garage, and there is actually a door connecting them, which means it is the same scenario, which part is the front door of the house? The garage door or the house door? Obviously the house door, therefore, the owner of the garage door needs to sell the garage as they do not own the front door to the house it is a part of.

[Taylor]

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You said something along the lines of "If you don't leave, Ill make you leave"

The Tides hotel situation is different. If someone owned the door inside the ONLY way to get in to there room would be via your room. Where as with the Garage I could get in without having to go into the main house, as it has 3 entrances

[Spooki]

[quote author=Mr. Oblichicken link=topic=2520.msg24464#msg24464 date=1446157464]

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You said something along the lines of "If you don't leave, Ill make you leave"

The Tides hotel situation is different. If someone owned the door inside the ONLY way to get in to there room would be via your room. Where as with the Garage I could get in without having to go into the main house, as it has 3 entrances
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It has a front door, which all the Admins I've asked agree is the door at the FRONT that looks like a regular DOOR not a metal thing that you can only open from the inside.

Common sense comes into play here.

Second of all, "If you don't leave, Ill make you leave" for one, there is no evidence I said that, two, I did not say that, as you were never in my house, so why would I say that?

[Taylor]

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[quote author=Mr. Oblichicken link=topic=2520.msg24464#msg24464 date=1446157464]

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I believe you said that to make me abandon the Garage and give you ownership

[Spooki]

[quote author=Mr. Oblichicken link=topic=2520.msg24479#msg24479 date=1446160781]
[quote author=iPythonHD link=topic=2520.msg24477#msg24477 date=1446160303]
[quote author=Mr. Oblichicken link=topic=2520.msg24464#msg24464 date=1446157464]

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I believe you said that to make me abandon the Garage and give you ownership
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I really don't recall saying anything like that, besides, is that really a reason to raid someone? In my opinion, it isn't..

[Raptor]

By the looks of things everyone broke a rule here.

When it comes to who bought what door and who owns what door things like this shouldn't escalate this far. You both need to take a moment and discuss terms maturely rather than harshly with guns and raiding.

Mr. Oblichicken
You killing that other corleone was random as he didn't try to raid with him or try to kill you or harm you, even when you shoot him he ran away and then stood still for you. I understand that he was apart of the same group but killing is the last resort. And you shouldn't have killed someone who did nothing. He may be associated with the same group but he didn't seem to be associated with the raid. For that a weapons blacklist will be issued for you.

iPythonHD
You are right, asking for the reason is not really backseat administration, though he isn't required to answer your question unless an admin asks you to (1.11) you simply could have asked him in a different way other than breaking new life rule and returning to ask him. Use /PM about it other than breaking a rule which puts you under the rule breaking position as well.

Approved.