[Humla]

"A blonde Danish teenager who murdered her mother after watching ISIS' sickening filmed beheadings of British hostages has been jailed along with her older jihadi lover.
Lisa Borch was aged only 15 when in October last year she spent hours on YouTube watching footage of the savage decapitations of David Haines and Alan Henning.
Afterwards she and her radical Muslim boyfriend Bakhtiar Mohammed Abdulla, 29, took a long-bladed kitchen knife and stabbed her mother Tina Römer Holtegaard at least 20 times at the home they shared in rural Kvissel.

A court which sentenced Borch to nine years in jail heard how she became obsessed with militant Islam after falling in love with an unnamed Muslim man.
But he jilted her when he moved back to Sweden to be with his wife and children.
Nevertheless she found a new soulmate in Iraq-born Abdulla, whom she befriended after meeting at a refugee centre near her home.



Following the brutal murder, in which both Borch and Abdulla participated, the teenager called police claiming: 'I heard my mother scream and I looked out the window and saw a white man running away. Please come here, there is blood everywhere.'
On arrival police found Mrs Holtegaard, whose husband was away on a short business trip at the time of her murder, covered in her own blood in bed.
Despite making the frantic phone call, the victim's daughter was discovered sitting on a chair in the living room playing with her iPhone and watching videos on YouTube. When police asked where her mother was, Borch refused to leave her computer and simply pointed upstairs.

A later police examination of the computer showed that she had watched endless repeats of the beheadings of the two Britons, both of whom had gone to Syria on humanitarian missions.

'She watched them the whole evening long,' said prosecutors at her trial. When police first arrived at the house she didn't leave the computer and merely pointed upstairs to indicate where her mother lay dead. It was this apparent disinterest which made her prime suspect in a matter of minutes.
The court heard that Borch's twin sister had recently moved out of the family home because she couldn't stand the constant arguing that went on between her mother and sister.
Prosecutors said it was this 'endless rowing which cost the mother her life.'
The court was told that Borch had teamed up with Abdulla after being dumped by her first lover. The two planned to flee together to Syria and fight for the ISIS cause.
Borch claimed at the trial that they were 'just good friends' but authorities believe they were lovers.
The rows with her mother intensified as she pressured her daughter to break off her relationship with him and 'live the life of a normal teenager.'
Prosecutor Karina Skou told the court that the pair made a diabolical pact to kill her mother saying: 'This murder was cold blooded, ice cold and committed in a bestial manner.'
Borch even showed her twin sister the knife she planned to use to kill their mother, but the comment was incorrectly written off a macabre joke



In court Borch and Abdulla blamed one another for the killing of Mrs Holtegaard.
He claimed to have only arrived to 'help Lisa' after the teenager had already killed her mother. But Borch said Abdulla had actually been the knifeman.
The muddled version of events meant the court heard several stories about what actually happened.
Although Abdulla was no longer at the property when police arrived, investigators found his fingerprints in the victim's bedroom.
Although it couldn't be established who'd actually delivered the blows that killed Mrs Holtegaard, both of the accused were found guilty of murder.
Borch was sentenced to nine years in prison, the first of which will be spent in a youth offenders institute.
Abdulla received 13 years and will be expelled from Denmark when his sentence is up.
Both were ordered to pay around £40,000 in compensation to Mrs. Holtergaard's husband - Borch's stepfather - as well as her twin sister and a younger brother.
Borch's twin was in court to see her sister sentenced but did not look at her during the trial."

Yet another victim of multiculturalism and islamic extremism. Do you think the punishment fit the crime?

[Narc]

I grew up with her twin sister, and she lives nearby still. Pretty tragic, but once again our justice system is just amazing (9 years for murder...)

[Toxic]

25 to life for both of them. In another scenario, two young girls who stabbed their friend multiple times to 'please Slenderman' are being charged as adults and are facing 65 years in prison for attempted first-degree homicide. These two in the OP should both be in jail for much longer than nine and thirteen years, respectively.

[equal]

This shit is all over my facebook feed, I just don't understand how one kills their own mother. This doesn't fly.

[equal]

This shit is all over my facebook feed, I just don't understand how one kills their own mother. This doesn't Another Communityy.

I WRITE FLY AND IT CORRECTS IT TO "ANOTHER COMMUNITYY"?????

[equal]

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This shit is all over my facebook feed, I just don't understand how one kills their own mother. This doesn't Another Communityy.

I WRITE Another CommunityY AND IT CORRECTS IT TO "ANOTHER COMMUNITYY"?????
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Okay, so apparantly writing F-L-Y is bad. Jesus christ.

[Toxic]

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[quote author=.kQng :^)) link=topic=1883.msg18237#msg18237 date=1442372546]
This shit is all over my facebook feed, I just don't understand how one kills their own mother. This doesn't Another Communityy.

I WRITE Another CommunityY AND IT CORRECTS IT TO "ANOTHER COMMUNITYY"?????
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Okay, so apparantly writing F-L-Y is bad. Jesus christ.
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Actually it's the combination of the letters "F" and "L" directly next to each other that gives the forum a conniption fit.
(fl fl fl)


No idea why.

[Freezak]

That's what teaching Islam can do to some people. They'll tell you that you can Another Communityy - you'll believe.

[Enzyme]

That's what teaching Islam can do to some people. They'll tell you that you can Another Communityy - you'll believe.

Crazy people don't need a religion to be crazy. They merely use it as an excuse some of the time and I do not see how his religion has anything to do with what he did.

Why do you like to focus on their religion when people who also happen to be muslim commit these actions?
If you want to slander other people for their religion and or faith, then please do so at a different community; not LL.

Also OP, this victim was not killed because of multiculturalism. She was killed because crazy people exist and because mental issues among quite a few people do not get the serious attention that it deserves.

[Freezak]

[quote author=Freezak link=topic=1883.msg18249#msg18249 date=1442383492]
That's what teaching Islam can do to some people. They'll tell you that you can Another Communityy - you'll believe.

Crazy people don't need a religion to be crazy. They merely use it as an excuse some of the time and I do not see how his religion has anything to do with what he did.

Why do you like to focus on their religion when people who also happen to be muslim commit these actions?
If you want to slander other people for their religion and or faith, then please do so at a different community; not LL.

Also OP, this victim was not killed because of multiculturalism. She was killed because crazy people exist and because mental issues among quite a few people do not get the serious attention that it deserves.
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You may pretend to not understand how brainwashing made by Islamists works, but the fact stays the same - they do things for their religion, without using it as an excuse. That's the way they interpret it saying that it's just an excuse is plain stupid.

And as i said, that's what teaching Islam can do to SOME people. Not all. You might want to review your reading skills and stop putting words into my mouth. I know better what i said. Thank you.

FYI xenophobia/racism isn't allowed at different community, neither different. Just so you know, enforcing such a rule shouldn't be any new to you.

Also what does it have to do with his religion? Well they planned to join the IS and well, being with a Muslim who has plans like that... You can just guess. Keep in mind, you can't say extremist Muslims aren't Muslims, 'cause they still are.

[jarz]

I'm going to break it up here.

Freezak:You're right, there is a true threat here. It's a catch-22 situation honestly, because it's either help out desperate refugees and open your country to 100% invasion, or close your borders and kill the refugees, yet save your own people. Germany and Sweden are two examples of countries that are going to be doomed in the future, as they're importing over a million refugees. There are already ISIS action in Germany going on.

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Sweden has seen an astronomical spike in crime. 1% of all population commits 63% of all crime. This is a new statistic.

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Here's a video showing the new Sweden, after opening it's borders.

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Enzyme:

People are 100% allowed to practice as they please, or at least they should be allowed to. You're right that it was a little ignorant for Freezak to say that teaching Islam can do that to some people, because he should of said "that teaching extremist/extreme/radical Islam can do that to some people." ISIS is a huge threat to society, and with first world countries opening its borders, it just gives them a playing ground to do whatever they see fit.

I expect a major bombing to occur in Germany, Sweden, or any other nation with open borders within 6 months.

Enz, I however find it very convenient that, as a Norway resident, you agree with nations opening their borders. I must note that Norway has not opened its borders, therein giving you no right to attest first hand what these migrants act like.

Norway is also conveniently NOT multicultural.


You may call it a biased way to break up an argument, but to be completely truthful I don't want this thread closed too... now kiss.

[BlackDog]

Canada is multi-cultural and things have worked out quite well for us.

[Enzyme]

Enzyme:

People are 100% allowed to practice as they please, or at least they should be allowed to. You're right that it was a little ignorant for Freezak to say that teaching Islam can do that to some people, because he should of said "that teaching extremist/extreme/radical Islam can do that to some people." ISIS is a huge threat to society, and with first world countries opening its borders, it just gives them a playing ground to do whatever they see fit.

I expect a major bombing to occur in Germany, Sweden, or any other nation with open borders within 6 months.

Enz, I however find it very convenient that, as a Norway resident, you agree with nations opening their borders. I must note that Norway has not opened its borders, therein giving you no right to attest first hand what these migrants act like.

Norway is also conveniently NOT multicultural.


You may call it a biased way to break up an argument, but to be completely truthful I don't want this thread closed too... now kiss.

1. I've not stated that I agree nor disagree with opening borders, nor does Norway keep it's borders closed for immigrants and refugees. I've provided links in a point under this one.

2. I consider myself a well educated person; at-least educated enough to know a thing or two about immigration and the refugees. I don't believe that you've had any personal experience yourself with these refugees nor any ISIS members for that sake so I don't feel that you're talking from first experience yourself.

3. Norway IS multicultural. I know this because I live in Norway; something you do not.

According to Statistics Norway the immigrant population make up 15.6 per cent of the population in Norway.[1] The number includes immigrants and children born in Norway to two immigrant parents. The five largest immigrant groups in Norway are in turn Polish, Swedish, Somali, Lithuanian and Pakistani.[1]

At the beginning of 1992 the immigrant population in Norway was 183,000 persons, or 4.3 per cent of the total population. 23 years later, at the beginning of 2015, the number had risen to 815,000 persons, (or 15.6 per cent of the population.) The immigration has increased drastically in recent years, with net immigration exceeding 40,000.[2]

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4. You seem to forget that USA is built by immigrants who left their own homes in hope of being successful in USA.

5. You're completely missing my point here; but I feel that you are a part of the problem with what I'm seeing on the news sub-forum. I don't expect you to actually see this from another view than your own, honestly.

My point IS that it's interesting how you guys love to both focus on and highlight the fact that these people are Muslim, as if that got something to do with their actions at all.



My point is that there's a lot of biased and negative view and wording when it comes to Muslims and immigrants/refugees here in the news sub-forum; a sub-forum where the news are hardly presented in an unbiased way. What does them being Muslim have anything to do with the actions they committed? Why isn't there any focus on a person if he's christian, catholic or atheist? I can also point out that the only articles you guys have written about is one where one or more Muslims are involved where the "news-article" you've written is also negative towards it in one way or another. If you dislike Muslims then fair enough. You're entitled to your opinion but you should discuss this on a different forum than LL.

LimeLight is not the place for you to spread propaganda about Muslims and immigrants.
You're free to share your political views elsewhere but it doesn't belong here. It's too hostile, biased and unneeded.
The news are not being presented in an unbiased view and unnecessary information is being brought up to make connections or explanations where there isn't one.


Sure there's a clear problem with the immense refugee-wave that Europe is currently exploiting; something ISIS are exploiting fully. This doesn't mean that the refugees themselves are bad. They are poor, starving and forced to leave their  homes out of sheer desperation. Sure a lot of the refugees have caused major problems but so does hooligans and other people. There will always be assholes and bastards; no matter what religion they believe in or where they come from.

Just separate the innocent from the problem-makers instead of putting them all in the same box.


Now I will say this the last time:

LimeLight is not the place to spread political propaganda and insulting and discriminating opinions on other people.
LimeLight is a friendly community with members from all over the world; and the last thing we need is for a shit-storm.
This is a highly controversial topic and if it cannot be presented and discussed in a proper and unbiased manner; then end it. I've already contacted a few members regarding this and I will remove posting-ability if the issue continues.

[Freezak]

You're right that it was a little ignorant for Freezak to say that teaching Islam can do that to some people, because he should of said "that teaching extremist/extreme/radical Islam can do that to some people."

I agree with you Jarz, although extremist/extreme/radical Islam is still Islam, thus my point still stands valid.

4. You seem to forget that USA is built by immigrants who left their own homes in hope of being successful in USA.

Alternative history by Enzyme - i hope you're not being serious on that one, although if you are, you are going against your own words and i can officially say that Enzyme got obliterated by Enzyme. If refugees can be classified as Europeans (as you're comparing both) who left their soil for Indian lands... well you see, truth comes to you even though you don't want it

Why isn't there any focus on a person if he's christian, catholic or atheist?

Christian - Check

Sure there's a clear problem with the immense refugee-wave that Europe is currently exploiting; something ISIS are exploiting fully.

And that's exactly why such a risk isn't really worth it - only hundreds can be in fact bad in a few thousand group of refugees - but these few hundreds are enough to harm thousands of other innocent people. I for one am against taking refugees into country with a completely different culture whilst all the other Arabic countries refuse to accept even one.

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Hope it's gonna be helpful in your further education.

And that's the end of my participation in this discussion, you seem to be kind of ignorant when it comes to topics like this one, thus we have nothing to talk about, as your view is biased in exact same way as you think mine is, shame

[Humla]

Enzyme: It just happens to be that this particular crime is done by a girl who is indoctrinated by her muslim boyfriend. Muslim is one of the keywords in this article, would it happen if she wasn't dating a muslim? Would people use medievel methods to make a caliphate if they weren't muslims? Probably not.

Also, it is no longer an issue of multi-culturalism but an invasion. This is not "propaganda" in any way but the cold hard fact. Why is it that Norway and Finland has a stricter border control? Why do you think Hungary has closed the border and suggesting to use rubber bullets against the refugees? It is chaos and EU can't control it.

Sure, this forum is used by a gaming community but this is the news section and well, newsflash, the world outside their room is not a happy-go-lucky place full of sunshine and rainbows. I don't really think that the younger kids read this section anyways, my "propaganda" is not aimed towards them, it is aimed for those who are interested in what is going on in the world today. I rather post these kind of stories since most of the marxist media either censor the stories or don't report them at all.

Sources about Norways border control:

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