[BasicallyMental]

Reported Players: Cicero (STEAM_0:1:164046655)  (@'iDankCai') , horsinator (STEAM_0:1:60832808)  (@Horsinator3000)
Server: EU Live
Time: 2019-Nov-27 16:10
Summary: Was pulling a guy over for speeding, and passing a red light to give him a fine of $2,000. Upon pulling him over he was going to be handcuffed for my safety as I recognized him from a previous incident of having a weapon (He however wasn't going to be searched as there was no reason to due to there only being traffic offenses here).
His friends, all part of the Patone family then proceeded to come over, so I called for an additional to help with crowd control (As I was outnumbered three to one, I pulled my gun on safety), and was then tranqed and killed.

TL;DR
I was killed for giving a man a fine
Evidence: 

[Cicero]

You pulled your gun before any of us came over, you also shot randomly at one of us but missed. We were protecting our leader as you were calling for additional to come where our base was, you where aiming guns and randomly shooting. If you were really just pulling him over for a ticket you wouldn't aim your shotgun at him, and you wouldn't be asking for additional units. We did this because we had suspicion you were going to kill our leader and bring a additional to raid our base which was the building right near where you were standing.
And when he asked you why you was aiming a shotgun you decided to ignore him, so to us it looks like you trying to kill him or prepare for a raid of our base.

[BasicallyMental]

You pulled your gun before any of us came over, you also shot randomly at one of us but missed. We were protecting our leader as you were calling for additional to come where our base was, you where aiming guns and randomly shooting. If you were really just pulling him over for a ticket you wouldn't aim your shotgun at him, and you wouldn't be asking for additional units. We did this because we had suspicion you were going to kill our leader and bring a additional to raid our base which was the building right near where you were standing.
And when he asked you why you was aiming a shotgun you decided to ignore him, so to us it looks like you trying to kill him or prepare for a raid of our base.

Okay, lets go from what the video shows shall we. Beginning with the shot, it was not meant to shoot and that is a bug when moving the shotgun from safety to fire mode (Which happened AFTER I was tranqed).
Why did I call for ONE additional unit? I was outnumbered three to one, in a corner, and I know how your group operates which was proven (Despite this being a traffic stop for a fine).
That is the worst assumption you could ever make, I am a police officer, who is giving a fine. At no point was any shot going to be fired. The weapon was a sign of control and power in a situation of him NOT standing still when I attempted to put the handcuff's on, and when two of his mates turned up. At no point did I pose a threat to your leader, a weapon was pointed at him for about half a second which was when I was getting my gun out to put it on safety for the whole power thing. I also had no idea your base was around the corner (I don't know why you were even basing in Izzies in the first place considering it is a building that is set out for PASSIVERP), and had no intel or anything regarding this man being your leader.

TL;DR
You tranq'd and killed me because of a fine.

[Cicero]

You called a unit when I walked over, and I walked over because you aiming a shotgun at my boss and threatening him with it and not answering him when he clearly asked 'why' to you pulling him over. You called an additional with 2 people in front of you not 3.
If you have ever been ticketed or pulled over to be ticketed, does a cop pull out a taser or gun? If he did I bet you would think something is about to go down, we thought we were going to see police brutality. You were not answering him, you had a shotgun out and aimed at him, you randomly shot and were calling for backup because 2 unarmed people were infront of you. You cannot blame us for you making mistakes in RP, you make the mistake we don't know if it was or not, we acted accordingly to what we saw you doing.
Next time you will be giving a ticket to someone don't take out a weapon that can easily one shot someone and not answer them when they ask why you are pointing that thing and pulling him over.
And you had no knowledge I was working for him, I could of been just a normal civilian watching but you still call for backup even when you aiming a gun at unarmed un-threatening civilians.
No more comments unless needed.

[BasicallyMental]

You're obviously not watching the video, so i'll walk you through it.

0:00 - 0:01
You can see me sat doing a speed watch on mainstreet, catching your bosses car hitting 83MPH, and running red lights. ("Why was I pulled over" is a stupid question). You'll see the response was code 1.

0:07
Upon arriving to the scene, I see the suspect who I intend to fine of $2,000 for the crimes he committed, alongside two individuals who were running up to the car (Immediately assume you're now involved due to you running up to the incident to communicate with the suspect).

0:12
Due to there being three people at the scene (me outnumbered 3 to 1), I ATTEMPT handcuff the suspect, to help ensure my safety. He however then procceds to walk away. Due to me assuming he doesn't understand the rule surround FearRP with handcuffs, I pull my weapon to safety to show a little more force.

0:15
I can see one of you running around, the back of the car, which begins the outnumbered stage. Although only 1 to 2, I am single crewed, do not know if you are armed as there is now a total of 4 suspects on scene. And am in the corner of the city out of sight of most other people. This is where the weapon was drawn to SAFETY, to help initiate FearRP. No threat was put against your bosses life at any point.

0:20
Your boss asks why. Now I wonder why? It is common law that you are not to pass red lights, and not to break the city default city speed limit of 35 MPH. We even had a President at the time who set out official laws stating how this was illegal. I am also not obliged to answer a question until I have begun to properly deal with the situation, and have everything under control which I clearly didn't.

0:30
A masked man has run up to me and began confronting me, despite NOT being involved with the situation, which is when the additional unit was called. You can also see a man in the background (hiding behind the corvette), and your boss is also attempting to walk behind me. I am beginning to feel threatened at this point. Please note, in the backup call, I called for ONE additional due to a small gathering, it's called crowd control. 

0:33
I get tranq'd without the chance to deal with the situation, or even say that I am giving a fine.

0:36
You can see I have 3 shotgun ammo, while the gun is on safety. The quickest way to take a gun off safety, is left click which for every other gun doesn't fire a shot. There is however a bug with the shotgun that it rarely fires a shot when taking it off safety, hence the shot being fired.

0:36 (pt2)
Where the shot is fired, you can CLEARLY see, this is away from you, not aimed at you, and you are barely even in my POV (which is only because i was in third person).

0:39
From here onwards you proceed to take me to your base and kill me. Over what was to be a fine.

Now to answer some of your questions:
"You called an additional with 2 people in front of you not 3."
The video shows there to be three of you in total when backup was called.

"[font=Roboto, sans-serif]does a cop pull out a taser or gun?"[/font]
[font=Roboto, sans-serif]When a suspect is walking away from you, showing signs of resisting the handcuffs, yes a cop with pull a taser, OR A GUN, in order to get the suspect to be compliant. This is NO way means that their life was threatened.[/font]

[font=Roboto, sans-serif]"[font=Roboto, sans-serif]If he did I bet you would think something is about to go down"[/font][/font]
[font=Roboto, sans-serif][font=Roboto, sans-serif]When I have three people surrounding me, attempting to walk behind me, and hiding in secure spots from me, I now have ALL reason to believe something is going to go down.[/font][/font]

[font=Roboto, sans-serif][font=Roboto, sans-serif]"[font=Roboto, sans-serif]we acted accordingly to what we saw you doing"[/font][/font][/font]
[font=Roboto, sans-serif][font=Roboto, sans-serif][font=Roboto, sans-serif]If you acted accordingly to what you saw me doing, you would of stood there, probably shouted some abuse at me for giving your boss a fine, and then continued on with your day however you decided to use weaponry against the police for this action, and proceed to KILL them.[/font][/font][/font]

[font=Roboto, sans-serif][font=Roboto, sans-serif][font=Roboto, sans-serif]"[font=Roboto, sans-serif]you had no knowledge I was working for him"[/font][/font][/font][/font]
[font=Roboto, sans-serif][font=Roboto, sans-serif][font=Roboto, sans-serif][font=Roboto, sans-serif]I didn't need knowledge to know you were working for him for a masked man walk up and defend someone, alongside you all then attempt to surround me. It wouldn't of made a difference if you worked for him or not, I was still outnumbered, you were ALL still acting stupidly shady over the traffic stop.[/font][/font][/font][/font]

[font=Roboto, sans-serif][font=Roboto, sans-serif][font=Roboto, sans-serif][font=Roboto, sans-serif]The rest of the questions have been answered in my time stamp explanation.[/font][/font][/font][/font]

[font=Roboto, sans-serif][font=Roboto, sans-serif][font=Roboto, sans-serif][font=Roboto, sans-serif]It is FailRP to tranq and proceed to kill an officer over a traffic stop and fine.[/font][/font][/font][/font]

[Cicero]

Alright quit saying it was over a fine, you never said that then, instead you point a gun out aim it and shoot it randomly and don't answer our questions and ask for more units to come down, it seems that you are going to kill us, it doesn't matter what you were going to do because it didn't happen, we reacted on what did happen quit trying to twist it on what you wanted to happen.
First of all lets go over some of your time stamps that clearly aren't telling the full story.

0:12 - you try to put handcuffs on him without even seeing any of us first, so saying it was for your safety is bs because at that time you have not seen anyone else. 
0:14 - the first time he asks you what you are doing, when asked you then decide to pull out a shotgun, a extremely lethal weapon at short range which is not called for at all for giving someone a ticket, he is walking, not running or resisting, he was wondering what was happening.
When you pull out a weapon and aim it and shoot it, you are seen as a threat to someones life like it or not, it's not our fault we weren't thinking what you wanted to, this is why you need to communicate and not ignore people when they ask you stuff.

0:33 - you had plenty of opportunities to explain yourself earlier, we had enough at this point and it was your fault for deciding to walk up on a random man and aim a gun and randomly shoot it. The second you pulled out a gun we could of shot you there and then for that so we were being lenient by waiting that long.

0:36 not our fault you had bugs, we RP'd to what we thought was you trying to kill us, don't blame us for your problems.

0:39 - we then decide to take you out of the public eye and kill you for nearly killing me and aiming a gun at a boss threatening his life.

tldr: Stop trying to think because you knew what you were going to do that we do, stop trying to blame your mistakes on us, and stop thinking we should of reacted the way that benefits you, we are not here to do as you think we have our own opinions as well.

[Cicero]

Might I add, none of this would of happened if you didn't pull out a gun, if you communicated with him better and decided not to get more units to our base just over 1 ticket.

[BasicallyMental]

If I didn't pull a gun your boss would of walked off, ignored the FearRP of handcuff's. You are also mixing up the timings here. I was tranq'd before a shot was fired, before I posed a threat to any of you. You can see in the video quite VERY clearly that there was three of you upon me pulling up. You can also see me calling for the additional AFTER you decided to get your masks out, get involved with a situation that was nothing to do with you, and then proceed to attempt to surround me.

No point in reply because you're watching the video and seem to have very selective sight in what you see from it. I'll reply when requested to by an admin.

[Cicero]

The fact you pulled out a shotgun shows you are a threat to us, the shot shows you were willing to kill us, the moment we saw a shot near us is the moment we thought you were trying to take our lives, in retaliation to you trying to take our life we took yours.

[PilotC]

Will review this report later today; have all involved players provided their sides and the pertinent information to the case?

[BasicallyMental]

Will review this report later today; have all involved players provided their sides and the pertinent information to the case?

I've given all mine

[Cicero]

All I have to say is you pulled out a gun 'to give a ticket' and called for an additional 'to give a ticket' and shot the gun randomly, and this was all near our base, we had reason to believe you were going to raid our base, or kill our leader. We defended ourselves as we saw you aiming your gun willy nilly and tried to shoot at one of us. If you were really giving a ticket you wouldn't stand there aiming a gun, calling for additionals and shooting your gun at us. The fact he and us asked you why and you ignored us and still aimed the shotgun made our belief stronger that you were a threat to us or our base.

[PilotC]

Based on the video evidence provided I can understand the officer's point of view calling for additional resources to assist in monitoring a group of three individuals. I also have a hard time understanding why all three of you decided to jump out the vehicle and then argue why an officer would pull his firearm in defense which ultimately places all of you under FearRP. For the majority of the video all three players were placed under FearRP and the three of you continued to walk around and not comply with the officer's directives and for this reason you two involved will receive punishment. You both have enough time on the server to know what constitutes FearRP.


|| STATUS: Approved ||
|| 2 DAY BAN ISSUED TO PARTIES INVOLVED DUE TO FEARRP ||