[goigle]

I saw some people complaining about a rock wall at suburbs and so I went to see what they were talking about and I saw an admin had blocked off a road. The rocks have been there for about 8 hours (off and on, I took a break).

I understand modifying the map for certain roleplays or based on a community suggestion but this seems unnecessary to me (myself and others tried contacting the admin and asking why it was there to no success, there was no one by the wall and it wasn't conspicuously part of a roleplay). What do you guys think?

[Doctor Internet]

They're used for RP, and it creates an interesting dynamic for the map. *shrug*

[goigle]

I can understand it intermittently, but all day is a bit much

[Welker]

I agree, it adds no roleplay value whatsoever. Along with blocking off areas that are not being used for roleplay by the admin in question whatsoever, when there are players who wish to use it for actual RP. Along with copious amounts of useless, unappealing trees blocking off nearly all of the possible building locations.

When a serious amount of players complain about this, OOC is simply turned off, borderline abusive in my humble opinion.

[BlackDog]

Considering how few people have mentioned it, i'm not seeing the issue here?

It adds a little map variation and makes things a tad more dynamic, and should someone wish to RP clearing the path to construct the road that is a full possibility, much like with a rockslide or other road blocking obstacle, there are IC things people can do, should they decide they wish to attempt to.

[goigle]

I just saw the lake houses are completely blocked. That's a little bit ridiculous for landslide RP.

[Welker]

They're used for RP, and it creates an interesting dynamic for the map. *shrug*

That would be the case, however the dupe involved in those REPs is a completely different one to the one in question.

[goigle]

Considering how few people have mentioned it, i'm not seeing the issue here?

It adds a little map variation and makes things a tad more dynamic, and should someone wish to RP clearing the path to construct the road that is a full possibility, much like with a rockslide or other road blocking obstacle, there are IC things people can do, should they decide they wish to attempt to.

But why do we have to? It's not about wishing, if we wanna get past we have to RP it. I don't want to do a landslide RP, I wanna be able to use the lake houses as I please and be able to travel through roads to respond to emergencies. Again, I understand intermittently, but it's been 8 hours.

[Welker]

Considering how few people have mentioned it, i'm not seeing the issue here?

Now that is just a complete lie. You may be forgetting the numerous times OOC has been turned off due to you failing to make any response whatsoever to people's questions and complaints. People have complained in legions. The few people complaining currently would be on account of the server being currently near-empty and the fact everyone who wishes to complain has already done so and only received threats of punishments and suppression.

[Jokhah]

I've done rp's elsewhere that involved blocking off sections of the map. Generally, as long as it's decently performed, there usually isn't a problem. From the images provided, it appears that a tunnel was blocked and a lake house was blocked in the same rp, is that an accurate assessment?

Were both areas blocked at the same time or was it more that a lot of areas were impacted in ways, but without completely blocking it all off?

A lot of people gained RPPs from that event and it appears that two staff on duty were actively involved in it. Did anyone complain via @ during the event?

Trying to gain a better understanding of the full scope of the situation, as I wasn't there.

I personally feel that areas can be blocked for RP events without an issue, so long as they aren't taking up more than one non-essential area at a time. My mind is painting a picture that they are using the lake area down US 76 as the event area, while controlling the route of said event so that it flows in one direction. Those kinds of events I like to call structured, because the reasoning for doing it is to have the event unfold in a semi specific way. Doing a structured method is the best way for small amounts of event staff to keep an eye on all those involved.

Hopefully someone can paint the full picture of the event's scope and map possession so I can better form an opinion on what was actually taking place.

@Welker You seem to have been there at the time, as you gained an RPP during it. What were people complaining about specifically? Was it the road being blocked off? Were they actively trying to use the areas that were contained in the event area? Or did they simply just want to complain, because that also happens a lot in my experience. People will see an event, then use it to try and lash out at staff for the various "rule violations" hosting the event technically has.

(From one server I administrated at)
Example: I was doing "armageddon rp" (based on the movie about space, not about ending the server) that involved some dropping rocks in sets of 10's and 20's in various sizes. After that stage of the event was cleaned up and a short break, I had a smaller portion of the map blocked off so that the people who decided to "be astronauts" could have an area to roleplay being on the rock and dealing with it. after several @ and OOC complaints about it, I took it down. Those people came down to where we were, drove around, then left. Then never actually intended on using the area we were using, they simply wanted to complain because they didn't want to be involved (it was public, anyone could join via saying "I wanna join" and messages were posted at intervals to alert them) but they also didn't want us to have our event.

[Doctor Internet]

From the images provided, it appears that a tunnel was blocked and a lake house was blocked in the same rp, is that an accurate assessment?  

Were both areas blocked at the same time or was it more that a lot of areas were impacted in ways, but without completely blocking it all off?

A tunnel was blocked, which had two extra exit routes.
Access to lake houses was restricted to the actual road, but not blocked.

[goigle]

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The RPPS were about a week ago, this image was today and the props are spawned together. There's no active RP on right now.

I totally understand cordoning off parts of the map or modifying the map for specific RPs, but the admin (in regards to the lake house area) said he wanted to do it for "variety."  I get that, I just think it's annoying to come onto such random changes on the map. If it was something that was done persistently for a week or a month I'd be totally on board

[BlackDog]

Were both areas blocked at the same time or was it more that a lot of areas were impacted in ways, but without completely blocking it all off?

(Only one roadway out of 3 was blocked at a time, a rockface that could by RP be cleared away by the government

As for the forest, it has a continued rockface going down from the other map cliffside, surrounding the forest, with a 10 meter wide entrance, when said entrance was right next to the houses, i never really heard  complaint, but i moved the entrance to the far point of the forest to create a true forest build apperance

Spoiler

Suburb Roads: 2/3 Access routes still open without trouble.

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A lot of people gained RPPs from that event and it appears that two staff on duty were actively involved in it.  Did anyone complain via @ during the event?

(Not a single person from what i recall, infact people seemed to enjoy it quite alot, and enjoyed generating their own RP around the situation and dictateing where it went, most all of what occured in that rockslide was players decideing to take the initiative and me acting as GM conducting the rolls)

[Jokhah]

@goigle

That seriously helps me understand the situation.

Outside of an event, I feel it's okay to alter the map in some aspects, but not in overly major ways.

Example: It's okay for an admin to place a dupe that makes the city more detailed, adding plants, billboards, maybe even adding lanes for buses and over street bridges that are designed to allow for the largest vehicles to pass under them without issue. Blocking a travel route simply for a refreshing change, is something that I feel should be taboo unless you got the shield icon or the approval of one.

@BlackDog I love the look of that dupe though. Maybe next time just not blocking that one tunnel if it's not in an event state? Apparently people were a lil unhappy with it this time around.

[Welker]

Spoiler

Suburb Roads: 2/3 Access routes still open without trouble.

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A lot of people gained RPPs from that event and it appears that two staff on duty were actively involved in it.  Did anyone complain via @ during the event?

(Not a single person from what i recall, infact people seemed to enjoy it quite alot, and enjoyed generating their own RP around the situation and dictateing where it went, most all of what occured in that rockslide was players decideing to take the initiative and me acting as GM conducting the rolls)

Except this dupe has nothing to do with the event nor is it a rockslide in anyway. It's as if the jagged rocks simply launched out from the ground, unrealistic much?

Here's a picture from the actual event, perhaps you ought to stop comparing the two since they have absolutely no correlation. The actual event had unfrozen props making it possible to roleplay. Your rock wall does not, since it is not a rockslide.