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Should teachers be listed on team page?
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I did say earlier I didn't understand what he was talking about
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To be honest, teachers are experienced players who requests to become a teacher so therefore they volunteer to help out, sure they help more than the average limelight member I get it but it doesn't change that a normal member or a donor can decide to help out the community without even asking to become a teacher so therefore they're helping without having a "special rank" and they still volunteer. I never understood the point of having teachers as a rank in the first place, they can help just as any normal member or donor without having that rank. People who wants a rank to be different from people usually wants to feel special from other people and even more power if the person wishes to have more power. I remember when teachers had powers like giving reps, some teachers decided to abuse that power.
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They do nothing that another donator or player cannot do.

Subject A has 1000 hours on the server and answers all questions which are put in OOC but didnt apply for teacher - isnt on team page.

Subject B has 1000 hours on the server and answers all questions which are put in OOC but did apply for teacher - is on team page.

Teachers do nothing that a normal player is unable to do other than see /h in my opinion they do not do enough to warrant being on the team page.
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Feb 22, 2017, 08:01 PM
Rickets, it actually would be nice to know who is on the Teacher team. Just to know it. As i did not knew that certain people are Teachers beacuse they arent listed anywhere (except in the Teacher section, but i would have to go through all that) so what makes Veterans so special (Yes i know you were Administrators once & put effort into the community) But look at the Teachers. They are doing it aswell. (Example: Project made a map for an upcomming event. Mapping takes time) I have seen them often putting effort into the community aswell & i do think they deserve a place there aswell.
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(Feb 22, 2017, 07:53 PM)General Rickets Wrote: Veterans are on the team page to be credited for their endless hours. Everyone who does crucial work on the servers IS on the team page.

What about the teachers, who spend a massive amount of time taking calls that admins don't bother taking? The number of help calls that get redirected to us?

Please. You're not a member of the team. Teacher's are members of the teacher team. Why are you ranking yourself higher them, or are you becoming the person you say they are?

You say that think they are better than everyone else, but that's what you're doing here, saying you're better than teachers.

You say that think they are trying to get every little of power they can, yet you're trying to keep a place on the team page, whilst not being a member of the team.

I mean you no disrespect, of course, but why do you think you have more of a right to be on the team page, than people who work now? It's confusing me.

And again. If, in your opinion, ranks do not matter, would you be happy to have your place on the team page removed?

(Feb 22, 2017, 07:53 PM)General Rickets Wrote: Teachers do nothing that a normal player is unable to do other than see /h in my opinion they do not do enough to warrant being on the team page.
They can see /help.
They have moderator powers on the H&S forum.
They take calls from moderators/administrators.
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(Feb 22, 2017, 08:02 PM)Doctor Internet Wrote:
(Feb 22, 2017, 07:53 PM)General Rickets Wrote: Veterans are on the team page to be credited for their endless hours. Everyone who does crucial work on the servers IS on the team page.

What about the teachers, who spend a massive amount of time taking calls that admins don't bother taking? The number of help calls that get redirected to us?

Please. You're not a member of the team. Teacher's are members of the teacher team. Why are you ranking yourself higher them, or are you becoming the person you say they are?

You say that think they are better than everyone else, but that's what you're doing here, saying you're better than teachers.

You say that think they are trying to get every little of power they can, yet you're trying to keep a place on the team page, whilst not being a member of the team.

I mean you no disrespect, of course, but why do you think you have more of a right to be on the team page, than people who work now? It's confusing me.

And again. If, in your opinion, ranks do not matter, would you be happy to have your place on the team page removed?

If spending a lot of time on a call is an issue do not volunteer to do so.

I have said it once and I will say it again because you must be unable to read it. VETERANS ARE CREDITED for the time and work which they put in on the team page.

Please quote where I said I was better.

If there was to be a credit page or a hall of fame sorta deal then I would happily be moved there to bask in my own glory.
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1 When the heavens above did not exist,
2 And earth beneath had not come into being —
3 There was Apsû, the first in order, their begetter,
4 And demiurge Tia-mat, who gave birth to them all;
5 They had mingled their waters together
6 Before meadow-land had coalesced and reed-bed was to he found —
7 When not one of the gods had been formed
8 Or had come into being, when no destinies had been decreed,
9 The gods were created within them:
10 Lah(mu and Lah(amu were formed and came into being.
11 While they grew and increased in stature
12 Anšar and Kišar, who excelled them, were created.
13 They prolonged their days, they multiplied their years.
14 Anu, their son, could rival his fathers.
15 Anu, the son, equalled Anšar,
16 And Anu begat Nudimmud, his own equal.
17 Nudimmud was the champion among his fathers:
18 Profoundly discerning, wise, of robust strength;
19 Very much stronger than his father's begetter, Anšar
20 He had no rival among the gods, his brothers.
21 The divine brothers came together,
22 Their clamour got loud, throwing Tia-mat into a turmoil.
23 They jarred the nerves of Tia-mat,
24 And by their dancing they spread alarm in Anduruna.
25 Apsû did not diminish their clamour,
26 And Tia-mat was silent when confronted with them.
27 Their conduct was displeasing to her,
28 Yet though their behaviour was not good, she wished to spare them.
29 Thereupon Apsû, the begetter of the great gods,
30 Called Mummu, his vizier, and addressed him,
31 "Vizier Mummu, who gratifies my pleasure,
32 Come, let us go to Tia-mat!"
33 They went and sat, facing Tia-mat,
34 As they conferred about the gods, their sons.
35 Apsû opened his mouth
36 And addressed Tia-mat
37 "Their behaviour has become displeasing to me
38 And I cannot rest in the day-time or sleep at night.
39 I will destroy and break up their way of life
40 That silence may reign and we may sleep."
41 When Tia-mat heard this
42 She raged and cried out to her spouse,
43 She cried in distress, fuming within herself,
44 She grieved over the (plotted) evil,
45 "How can we destroy what we have given birth to?
46 Though their behaviour causes distress, let us tighten discipline graciously."
47 Mummu spoke up with counsel for Apsû—
48 (As from) a rebellious vizier was the counsel of his Mummu—
49 "Destroy, my father, that lawless way of life,
50 That you may rest in the day-time and sleep by night!"
51 Apsû was pleased with him, his face beamed
52 Because he had plotted evil against the gods, his sons.
53 Mummu put his arms around Apsû's neck,
54 He sat on his knees kissing him.
55 What they plotted in their gathering
56 Was reported to the gods, their sons.
57 The gods heard it and were frantic.
58 They were overcome with silence and sat quietly.
59 Ea, who excels in knowledge, the skilled and learned,
60 Ea, who knows everything, perceived their tricks.
61 He fashioned it and made it to be all-embracing,
62 He executed it skilfully as supreme—his pure incantation.
63 He recited it and set it on the waters,
64 He poured sleep upon him as he was slumbering deeply.
65 He put Apsû to slumber as he poured out sleep,
66 And Mummu, the counsellor, was breathless with agitation.
67 He split (Apsû's) sinews, ripped off his crown,
68 Carried away his aura and put it on himself.
69 He bound Apsû and killed him;
70 Mummu he confined and handled roughly.
71 He set his dwelling upon Apsû,
72 And laid hold on Mummu, keeping the nose-rope in his hand.
73 After Ea had bound and slain his enemies,
74 Had achieved victory over his foes,
75 He rested quietly in his chamber,
76 He called it Apsû, whose shrines he appointed.
77 Then he founded his living-quarters within it,
78 And Ea and Damkina, his wife, sat in splendour.
79 In the chamber of the destinies, the room of the archetypes,
80 The wisest of the wise, the sage of the gods, Be-l was conceived.
81 In Apsû was Marduk born,
82 In pure Apsû was Marduk born.
83 Ea his father begat him,
84 Damkina his mother bore him.
85 He sucked the breasts of goddesses,
86 A nurse reared him and filled him with terror.
87 His figure was well developed, the glance of his eyes was dazzling,
88 His growth was manly, he was mighty from the beginning.
89 Anu, his father's begetter, saw him,
90 He exulted and smiled; his heart filled with joy.
91 Anu rendered him perfect: his divinity was remarkable,
92 And he became very lofty, excelling them in his attributes.
93 His members were incomprehensibly wonderful,
94 Incapable of being grasped with the mind, hard even to look on.
95 Four were his eyes, four his ears,
96 Flame shot forth as he moved his lips.
97 His four ears grew large,
93 And his eyes likewise took in everything.
99 His figure was lofty and superior in comparison with the gods,
100 His limbs were surpassing, his nature was superior.
101 'Mari-utu, Mari-utu,
102 The Son, the Sun-god, the Sun-god of the gods.'
103 He was clothed with the aura of the Ten Gods, so exalted was his strength,
104 The Fifty Dreads were loaded upon him.
105 Anu formed and gave birth to the four winds,
106 He delivered them to him, "My son, let them whirl!"
107 He formed dust and set a hurricane to drive it,
108 He made a wave to bring consternation on Tia-mat.
109 Tia-mat was confounded; day and night she was frantic.
110 The gods took no rest, they . . . . . . .
111 In their minds they plotted evil,
112 And addressed their mother Tia-mat,
113 "When Apsû, your spouse, was killed,
114 You did not go at his side, but sat quietly.
115 The four dreadful winds have been fashioned
116 To throw you into confusion, and we cannot sleep.
117 You gave no thought to Apsû, your spouse,
113 Nor to Mummu, who is a prisoner. Now you sit alone.
119 Henceforth you will be in frantic consternation!
120 And as for us, who cannot rest, you do not love us!
121 Consider our burden, our eyes are hollow.
122 Break the immovable yoke that we may sleep.
123 Make battle, avenge them!
124 [ . . ] . . . . reduce to nothingness!
125 Tia-mat heard, the speech pleased her,
126 (She said,) "Let us make demons, [as you] have advised."
127 The gods assembled within her.
128 They conceived [evil] against the gods their begetters.
129 They . . . . . and took the side of Tia-mat,
130 Fiercely plotting, unresting by night and day,
131 Lusting for battle, raging, storming,
132 They set up a host to bring about conflict.
133 Mother H(ubur, who forms everything,
134 Supplied irresistible weapons, and gave birth to giant serpents.
135 They had sharp teeth, they were merciless . . . .
136 With poison instead of blood she filled their bodies.
137 She clothed the fearful monsters with dread,
138 She loaded them with an aura and made them godlike.
139 (She said,) "Let their onlooker feebly perish,
140 May they constantly leap forward and never retire."
141 She created the Hydra, the Dragon, the Hairy Hero
142 The Great Demon, the Savage Dog, and the Scorpion-man,
143 Fierce demons, the Fish-man, and the Bull-man,
144 Carriers of merciless weapons, fearless in the face of battle.
145 Her commands were tremendous, not to be resisted.
146 Altogether she made eleven of that kind.
147 Among the gods, her sons, whom she constituted her host,
148 She exalted Qingu, and magnified him among them.
149 The leadership of the army, the direction of the host,
150 The bearing of weapons, campaigning, the mobilization of conflict,
151 The chief executive power of battle, supreme command,
152 She entrusted to him and set him on a throne,
153 "I have cast the spell for you and exalted you in the host of the gods,
154 I have delivered to you the rule of all the gods.
155 You are indeed exalted, my spouse, you are renowned,
156 Let your commands prevail over all the Anunnaki."
157 She gave him the Tablet of Destinies and fastened it to his breast,
158 (Saying) "Your order may not be changed; let the utterance of your mouth be firm."
159 After Qingu was elevated and had acquired the power of Anuship,
160 He decreed the destinies for the gods, her sons:
161 "May the utterance of your mouths subdue the fire-god,
162 May your poison by its accumulation put down aggression."
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(Feb 22, 2017, 08:07 PM)General Rickets Wrote:
(Feb 22, 2017, 08:02 PM)Doctor Internet Wrote:
(Feb 22, 2017, 07:53 PM)General Rickets Wrote: -snip-
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If spending a lot of time on a call is an issue do not volunteer to do so.
Personally, I don't have issues with it. It would however, be nice to be credited for doing so.

I have said it once and I will say it again because you must be unable to read it. VETERANS ARE CREDITED for the time and work which they put in on the team page.
Fair enough. But why is the time and work of teachers not credited?

Please quote where I said I was better.
It was the general tone of your post, how veterans deserve the spot on the page because of what they did, whereas teachers, who do work now, don't get credited for it.

If there was to be a credit page or a hall of fame sorta deal then I would happily be moved there to bask in my own glory.
Fair enough. Would you then be happy to allow teachers a place on the team page?

I also saw your post earlier, about how the teachers don't have enough power to be on the team page. Do you then support giving them more power?
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Feb 22, 2017, 08:35 PM
They represent the community and should be on there.

I do think the page should be formatted or re-created to adapt into maybe a tab function, as there's just so many names on it already and it hurts my eyes to look at.
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Teachers should never receive any power @Doctor Internet This was tried in the past and went horribly wrong. You should never be able to apply to gain power in any way shape or form.

My final post on the matter:

This is more than likely to go through and by all means @Teachers I am not trying to discourage you nor am I trying to belittle you I am just voicing my opinion in this thread if you would like to discuss why I think like this feel free to contact me VIA Steam or TS. My opinion stems from certain current teachers and some of those from the past.

When this gets pushed through I just hope the current and new teachers can prove grumpy old rickets wrong.

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(Feb 22, 2017, 08:35 PM)Dryblood Wrote: They represent the community and should be on there.

I do think the page should be formatted or re-created to adapt into maybe a tab function, as there's just so many names on it already and it hurts my eyes to look at.

I would like something similar to what happened to the rules page.
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Feb 22, 2017, 09:25 PM
For spamming a bind in chat the second an admin joins/types in OOC? No.
Some teachers already think they are DOGG
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Feb 22, 2017, 09:33 PM
Quite the ferocity when we're arguing to have names put on a list. Give them some recognition for going through the application and putting themselves on the spot in the first place.
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Yes, because they are apart of the "Team" not staff.

If contributors are listed then so should teachers. Simple
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